Israel wants to kick out immegrants' children!!

immigrant.
sorry for the typo.

And this is related to New York real estate HOW?

HOW?
May be the real estate market is getting too expansive in ISRAEL too?!

I think this is a fabulous idea.

You have to hand it to the Israelis ... they don't piss around with political correctness. You break the law, you face swift consequences.

America should take the hint.

These children should apply for refugee status to settle in NYC.

Or better yet, go back to their native land with their parents.

Matt, and what is your native land? I bet it's not here.

This article demonstrates only that "guest worker" programs cannot work as they are intended to, even when the workers agree beforehand not to have children while they're "guests".

It's the clarion call to bar such programs in the US as well ... and (were it not for the fact that it would require a constitutional amendment), it demonstrates the need to redefine natural citizen rights in the US to those born here only to citizens and legal permanent residents.

Wherever their parents are from.

The kids were born in Israel. By your definition of native land, you are probably in the wrong continent Matt.

If they were born to people who were living in a land illegally, that makes them illegal, too.

Israel is NOT their native land.

Matt, you think the native Americans thought you were here legally?

By your definition, this is not your land Matt. Go back to your native land!

The parents were not living in Israel illegally, they were living as guest workers, legally, with an agreed-upon restriction on having children during that time. If you're in the Navy and you give birth in a submarine, you don't get to continue your tour of duty there, and your kid doesn't get to stay.

The US doesn't have to impose its 18th-century frontier-nation definition of natural citizen on the rest of the world, and certainly Britain (where until the 1950s or so you were British only if you were British, and that was pretty much that) doesn't need to impose that US definition of the rest of the world ... and we're no longer a frontier nation, having nicely settled our lands enough to have secure claim to them.

Change the policy that created the situation to prevent such cases from increasing, but to punish the children who did not break any laws is wrong.

They could have deported the parents before the kids were born for example.

So then deport the parents and put the kids in Israeli orphanages.

Hello NYCMatt, up so late. Playing with Steve's pussy cat?

What the heck is this doing on NY real estate. Kids are the parents responsibility not the countrys responsibility. If the parent does something wrong the kid is messed up. You have to appreciate that most countries are not melting pots and don't want to be melting pots so the US attitude shouldn't be take over. If Israel doesn't want them, well Korea doesn't want them either and they aren't getting into Norway either for that sake.

Story shows the bias of British media. The idea of Jus Soli is not universally practiced and in much of Europe citizenship follows a jus sanguinis standard(which bears similarity to the Israeli practice of granting citizenship to Jews. Switzerland follows the second standard and requires twelve years of residency, a language tests and demonstration that you have integrated yourself into swiss society. Saudi Arabia is even stricter essentially limiting citizenship to spouses and does not seek to grant citizenship to Non-Muslims.

who will deliver their sushi?

digging up a BBC report that does not set the same standards to Europe or the UK and placing it on a RE board points only to one thing. Arthur 1071's political motivation.

For hundreds and hundreds of years Europeans and Arabs routinely kicked Jews out of their countries. Now that the Jews get their own country, they are finally the ones that get to do the kicking out.

We're talking about guest workers from the Philipines. They had no expectation of citizenship. This is no different than Americans accepting work in Saudi Arabia, or Palestininas accepting employment in Kuwait. Neither of them are asking for citizenship or expect it.

Hey how about if a phillipino maid gets raped by an israeli and gets pregnant? Now does the mother get to stay?

Ahhhhhhhjh so many questions in life so little time.

W67: Probably, as the custodial parent of a child entitled to Israeli citizenship. Presumably would need DNA proof.

The U.S. is the only 1st world country that grants citizenship to any child born on its shores. Canada & Australia stopped this policy about 30+ years ago, ditto the U.K. Some 1st World countries also have a right to citizenship based on descent (Germany).

Another thorny situation: what if a non-Jewish spouse is granted citizenship, then divorces. If that person now marries another non-Jewish, non-Israeli, would that person be granted citizenship? Or what if the Israeli citizen doesn't marry a non-Jewish, non-Israeli, but has children outside marriage, do those children have a claim on citizenship? Hmm.

Though, in the U.S., a custodial parent of a U.S. citizen child does not derive right to stay... In the U.K., there is some wiggle room in the law to accommodate this situation.

Sad...but, not the least bit surprising.

Hong Kong law is the same as the US - therefore had a lot of mainland Chinese going to Hong Kong specifically to give birth there. HK has now tightened up on hospital admissions to cut back on this.

U.S. should probably follow the Europeans' lead on not giving automatic citizenship to those born here to illegal immigrants. Past cases have made the papers for the "heartlessness" of sending a child's parent away. Perhaps the parent should have thought of that before having a child while in an illegal situation.

"The U.S. is the only 1st world country that grants citizenship to any child born on its shores. Canada & Australia stopped this policy about 30+ years ago, ditto the U.K. Some 1st World countries also have a right to citizenship based on descent (Germany)."

We should start doing the same.

Is this thread really serve any purpose other than to ignite latent prejudices?

Here's one for you to get your panties up in a bunch Arthur....

The people of the Chagos Islands were expelled from their homes to make room for the US military base of Diego Garcia (main island). These paradise islands are officially part of British Indian Ocean Territory and their habitants are British subjects. Under a British-US agreement in the 60’s, the island's people were removed and have been fighting in court to move back.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/18/chagos-nature-reserve-greenwash

who could possibly believe anything the socialist bbc reports on anyway.....

I hate that we subsidize Israel's nonsense given that it's the largest recipient of US foreign aid (due to the Israel lobby), but what does this have to do with NYC real estate? Israel blows.

I think parents first of all should be responsible to a)teach the children their native language; b)teach them about their country of origin, so there is no cultural shock when they(most likely)return.
To do otherwise is lack of responsability from the parental side and possibly setting children up towards problems in the future, and I don't think we should hold a country responsible for what parents omit to do.Also, children belong with their family,not with the country where they were born in(as somebody posted above-what to do, send parents home and put children in orphanages?)

"I think parents first of all should be responsible to a)teach the children their native language; b)teach them about their country of origin, so there is no cultural shock when they(most likely)return. "

And don't for get: C) not to break the law.

You are omitting the fact that the parents may not be illegal. Children of workers on legal work visas born in the U.S. get citizenship. Not so in other countries. Setting aside illegal immigrants, what sort of right to legal residence should children born to legal workers have in their host countries?

"Children of workers on legal work visas born in the U.S. get citizenship."

That's the point. They shouldn't.

"Setting aside illegal immigrants, what sort of right to legal residence should children born to legal workers have in their host countries?"

The same rights that children of any other country born outside their country have: citizenship in their PARENTS' country.

Not so fast, NYCMatt. A reasonable administration can totally see the writing on the wall and deals with this - if you have (and I'm not alluding to Israel) millions of legal workers who have their families with them procreating, it behooves you to have some kind of policy. Having no policy, other than saying that they have the right to citizenship in parent's country (not a given, btw, could be stateless) is a dumb way to make social policy. Just saying.

I kinda like the U.K. system which allows the family to work towards legal residence if they have all been there long enough on legal work permits. This is possible in the U.S. but extremely backed up due to bureaucratic issues.

who the hell reads the BBC thats what I want to know! you need to get your self a better news source. BBC hahhaahhaha

BBC > than any news group in the US (except NPR).

Israel also walls off the Palestinians just like the Jews were walled off in the ghettos of Europe during WWII.

80s Man - right, but the Jews in the ghetto were not firing rockets at civilians in Warsaw(or anywhere else).

Dear Streeteasy,

I suggest you delete this and the other thread involving Israel if you want to maintain some civility on this board. From experience in other networks, if you allow this topic to continue, you will find the the XXXcomm threads to be the Falkland Islands compared to where this will go.

"f you have (and I'm not alluding to Israel) millions of legal workers who have their families with them procreating, it behooves you to have some kind of policy."

Exactly. The policy should be that the children have the same residency status as their parents ... they're "legal" in this country as long as their parents are.

Hmm, interesting truthskr10, is there a way that aboutready can get some monetary damages out of this situation? Or is there a toilet overflowing in Israel that she can laugh about? Maybe she can provide diplomatic advice to resolve the situation, after all, she is as qualified as an astrologer.

It's strange...I think Israel would be happy to have people live there to add to the population.

> Is this thread really serve any purpose other than to ignite latent prejudices?

Probably not. Anti-semitism is not only rampant, there doesn't seem to ever be any consequences for the folks who espouse it.

Heimytown, anyone?

And, was that Mel Gibson or Michael Richards starring in that movie I just saw?

> Is this thread really serve any purpose other than to ignite latent prejudices?

Probably not. Anti-semitism is not only rampant, there doesn't seem to ever be any consequences for the folks who espouse it.

Heimytown, anyone?

And, was that Mel Gibson or Michael Richards starring in that movie I just saw?

> Is this thread really serve any purpose other than to ignite latent prejudices?

Probably not. Anti-semitism is not only rampant, there doesn't seem to ever be any consequences for the folks who espouse it.

Heimytown, anyone?

And, was that Mel Gibson or Michael Richards starring in that movie I just saw?

> Israel also walls off the Palestinians just like the Jews were walled off in the ghettos of Europe
> during WWII.

"just like". what a crock of anti-semitism.

More just like how the settlers in NYC in the 1600s built a wall on Wall Street to avoid getting killed.

I wasn't aware that defending yourself was a right only granted to folks who aren't Jewish.

> Israel wants to kick out immegrants' [sic] children!!

Why are anti-semites 100x more likely than not to be illiterate?

Only Jewish people. Israel is an interesting state, because it is secular yet has religious-based immigration laws. There are Arab Israelis, but there is a consensus that higher birth rates in the Arab population could result in a minority Jewish population in Israel. Since the creation of the state, there have always been huge efforts to favor immigration from Jewish people to maintain and strengthen the Jewish majority.
To all of you troglodytes (yes Matt, you) on this thread, I would like to point out that the Conference of San Francisco in 1949 aimed to make citizenship an inalienable human right, so that every person would be garanteed citizenship in the country they were born. Why is that, you ask, charmingly innocent? Because one of the legal mechanisms Hitler and Mussolini used to send Jewish into ghettoes and ultimately to concentration camps was to strip them of their German or Italian citizenships.

And Hitler also used trains!

Should we ban trains, too!