Not quite a *direct* Real Estate Topic! BUT!! GULF OF MEXICO is close enuff by and will manage to eventually work its costs into the NATIONAL ECONOMY; Real Estate most definitely included! ENERGY is part of The Basic Equation. You KNOW . . . who will ultimately pay theCleanup, Litigation Costs, etCETERA!! HOWEVER disguised in one way or the other! Heres my question: i see the LIVE feed everywhere... [more]
Not quite a *direct* Real Estate Topic!
BUT!!
GULF OF MEXICO is close enuff by and will manage to eventually work its costs into the NATIONAL ECONOMY; Real Estate most definitely included!
ENERGY is part of The Basic Equation.
You KNOW . . . who will ultimately pay theCleanup, Litigation Costs, etCETERA!!
HOWEVER disguised in one way or the other!
Heres my question: i see the LIVE feed everywhere of that crazy oil just leaking out at whatever crazy rate of x thousand gallons each day, no matter what!
It's evident that BP, et al, have not the clue how to stop it!
cause they would have implemented whatever measure, already!
I see on CNN an interesting angle in looking at solutions proposed by viewers.
maybe kooky, but a SOLUTION from anywhere is better than NOTHING from the "Pros!"
Maybe some regular Jane [or Joe!] might be able to come up with something that could be implemented.
SO: does anyone know where exactly to see a picture, or at least a detailed sketch, of how the actual pipe is laying on the Ocean floor, and how positioned so that the oil is leaking?
maybe its simplistic, but couldnt a solution more readily emerge from even the ranks of the 'non-pro Public, if more of us were aware of some basics, like, exactly the position of the pipes involved in the leak, so a patch, or corks, or whatever, might be that much more evident, to think to be implemented??
anyone know where an actual pic or sketch of the position of the pipe is available?
On the net, or wherever . . .
. . . . just to be able to see the precise visual of what is broken and how it is positioned?
Not just that 'live feed' which doesnt show the angles and positioning of what needs to be dealt with . . .
I want my lil guy to see and experience the [clean] OCEAN and its wonders that I have!
. . . . have any of you ever actually seen a Leatherback turtle, 6 feet across, emerge from the Ocean, and lumber up on a deserted beach and lay a clutch of eggs, to retreat slowly back, into the ocean, hours later, continuing a tradition that scientists say has been goin' on for millions of years!
Thats only 1 species in the water of The GULF!
"WE" make 2!
and there are many more of The Deep; that deserve LIFE!
even if our accidents happen . . . .
DAMN!! . . . BP!
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Response by marco_m
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the sea shepherd called..ur due back on boat
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Response by mymonetate
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This is saddening for two reasons. One is the horrible destruction. Two is that we need oil for our energy. We can't stop drilling, but this is a definite setback. Fortunately the Gulf coast is not our most important coastline and this didn't occur on the Atlantic seaboard or out on the coast of California, Oregon and Seattle.
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Response by Dogismy
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It makes you cry when you see the photos of the sea turtles and pelicans that they have to handwash with soap to remove the oil ........ I feel you, Lenox Ave.
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Response by NYCMatt
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"Two is that we need oil for our energy."
It's not just energy for which we need oil.
America uses about 20 million barrels of oil per day.
Oil for energy purposes accounts for only about one-seventh of our total use (about 3 million barrels per day). Nuclear, solar, wind-power, or even generators powered by Oprah's acacia berries won't take care of our need for those other 17 million barrels.
Gasoline accounts for nearly half of our total oil use. However, gasoline for personal vehicles accounts only for about half of THAT (5 million barrels). Even if every American agreed to stop driving their vehicles altogether -- AND for argument's sake, we agreed to switching over 100% of our electricity needs to a combination of nuclear, solar, wind power, and Oprah's acacia berries, we're still going to need about 5 million barrels of oil per day for gasoline for INDUSTRIAL purposes, and another 7 billion barrels of oil for our nation's #2 use of oil: plastics.
Our entire food production and distribution system is dependent upon mechanized (gasoline-powered) farm equipment and gasoline-powered trucks to get that food to every last Piggly Wiggly and Korean bodega in the nation. Indeed, our entire system for distributing virtually everything we need in life is dependent upon gasoline-powered vehicles to get those products to us. Gone are the days where each city, town, and village in America produced its own *everything* from apples to clothing to furniture.
Our entire PEOPLE distribution system depends on gasoline, too. Without oil, how do you expect those jetliners to get off the ground, trains to leave the station, or busses to leave the depots?
And then there's America's second-biggest need for oil, behind gasoline: Plastics. Virtually everything we see, feel, smell, touch, and taste (at least those of us who continue to consume non-natural food products) has some petroleum-based derivative in it ... everything from the obvious plastics products like our television sets, cell phones, and computers to nylon and polyester fibers in our clothes ... to the rubber soles of our shoes ... to modern pharmaceuticals and first aid products ... to toothpaste, deodorant, hair sprays, mousses, and gels ... to the floorings and cabinets in our kitchens ... to the plastic packaging that keeps our food fresh ... to perfumes and colognes ... the list is virtually endless.
So, turning off every single car and SUV in America and switching overnight to 100% nuclear-powered, solar, or wind-powered energy would still leave America needing about 13 million barrels of oil per day, out of our present 20 million.
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Response by Dogismy
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peak oil. it be going. soon, g-bye!
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Response by Wbottom
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damn cheney and his empowering of corrupt minerals mgmt--via his secret energy cabal--policy with absolutely zero input from consumer, environmental and worker protection groups
now look...clearly obama's fault
drill baby drill
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Around 10% of global oil production goes to plastic.
And most of those plastics are manufactured in China.
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"Around 10% of global oil production goes to plastic."
Perhaps "plastic" itself.
Another 35% goes to all those other petroleum derivatives found in millions of consumer products.
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That's all guesswork, and sounds too high.
"In 2006,1 about 331 million barrels of liquid petroleum gases (LPG) and natural gas liquids (NGL) were used to make plastic products in the plastic materials and resins industry in the United States, equal to about 4.6% of total U.S. petroleum consumption."
"EIA does not have similar data for other countries, and does not have data on the quantity of plastics materials and resins produced in the United States and in other countries or data on the origin of all the plastic products used in the United States."
And not to bust your balls but rubber soles are made of rubber.
Yes some soles are made of plastic, you have to keep in mind though "faux rubber" plastic (often products that end in "ene" ie. santoprene,etc) are a substancially more expensive ingredients than rubber.
BTW, if anyone's been to a rubber plantation, they way it's extracted would make Treebeard cry.If trees had the same feelings and emotions as us it would be downright torture.
Imagine having a knife carve a slit in a spiral pattern around your torso several times and letting your blood just drip slowly into a collection bucket.
The scope of the disaster here is much larger than the cost of the oil. The current worst-case estimate is that 92.5 million gallons have been spilled http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/01/us/20100501-oil-spill-tracker.html At 42 gallons/barrel, this is a spill of about 2.2 million barrels, or about $165 million dollars at $75/barrel. I guess the point is that the impact on energy supply is pretty negligible. The cost of environmental damage and the cost of cleanup could be orders of magnitude higher. For example, the Exxon Valdez spill seems to have been only about 10 million gallons and cost a couple of billion dollars to clean up.
the sea shepherd called..ur due back on boat
This is saddening for two reasons. One is the horrible destruction. Two is that we need oil for our energy. We can't stop drilling, but this is a definite setback. Fortunately the Gulf coast is not our most important coastline and this didn't occur on the Atlantic seaboard or out on the coast of California, Oregon and Seattle.
It makes you cry when you see the photos of the sea turtles and pelicans that they have to handwash with soap to remove the oil ........ I feel you, Lenox Ave.
"Two is that we need oil for our energy."
It's not just energy for which we need oil.
America uses about 20 million barrels of oil per day.
Oil for energy purposes accounts for only about one-seventh of our total use (about 3 million barrels per day). Nuclear, solar, wind-power, or even generators powered by Oprah's acacia berries won't take care of our need for those other 17 million barrels.
Gasoline accounts for nearly half of our total oil use. However, gasoline for personal vehicles accounts only for about half of THAT (5 million barrels). Even if every American agreed to stop driving their vehicles altogether -- AND for argument's sake, we agreed to switching over 100% of our electricity needs to a combination of nuclear, solar, wind power, and Oprah's acacia berries, we're still going to need about 5 million barrels of oil per day for gasoline for INDUSTRIAL purposes, and another 7 billion barrels of oil for our nation's #2 use of oil: plastics.
Our entire food production and distribution system is dependent upon mechanized (gasoline-powered) farm equipment and gasoline-powered trucks to get that food to every last Piggly Wiggly and Korean bodega in the nation. Indeed, our entire system for distributing virtually everything we need in life is dependent upon gasoline-powered vehicles to get those products to us. Gone are the days where each city, town, and village in America produced its own *everything* from apples to clothing to furniture.
Our entire PEOPLE distribution system depends on gasoline, too. Without oil, how do you expect those jetliners to get off the ground, trains to leave the station, or busses to leave the depots?
And then there's America's second-biggest need for oil, behind gasoline: Plastics. Virtually everything we see, feel, smell, touch, and taste (at least those of us who continue to consume non-natural food products) has some petroleum-based derivative in it ... everything from the obvious plastics products like our television sets, cell phones, and computers to nylon and polyester fibers in our clothes ... to the rubber soles of our shoes ... to modern pharmaceuticals and first aid products ... to toothpaste, deodorant, hair sprays, mousses, and gels ... to the floorings and cabinets in our kitchens ... to the plastic packaging that keeps our food fresh ... to perfumes and colognes ... the list is virtually endless.
So, turning off every single car and SUV in America and switching overnight to 100% nuclear-powered, solar, or wind-powered energy would still leave America needing about 13 million barrels of oil per day, out of our present 20 million.
peak oil. it be going. soon, g-bye!
damn cheney and his empowering of corrupt minerals mgmt--via his secret energy cabal--policy with absolutely zero input from consumer, environmental and worker protection groups
now look...clearly obama's fault
drill baby drill
Around 10% of global oil production goes to plastic.
And most of those plastics are manufactured in China.
"Around 10% of global oil production goes to plastic."
Perhaps "plastic" itself.
Another 35% goes to all those other petroleum derivatives found in millions of consumer products.
That's all guesswork, and sounds too high.
"In 2006,1 about 331 million barrels of liquid petroleum gases (LPG) and natural gas liquids (NGL) were used to make plastic products in the plastic materials and resins industry in the United States, equal to about 4.6% of total U.S. petroleum consumption."
"EIA does not have similar data for other countries, and does not have data on the quantity of plastics materials and resins produced in the United States and in other countries or data on the origin of all the plastic products used in the United States."
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_faqs.asp#plastics
And not to bust your balls but rubber soles are made of rubber.
Yes some soles are made of plastic, you have to keep in mind though "faux rubber" plastic (often products that end in "ene" ie. santoprene,etc) are a substancially more expensive ingredients than rubber.
BTW, if anyone's been to a rubber plantation, they way it's extracted would make Treebeard cry.If trees had the same feelings and emotions as us it would be downright torture.
Imagine having a knife carve a slit in a spiral pattern around your torso several times and letting your blood just drip slowly into a collection bucket.
http://images.cdn.fotopedia.com/flickr-3243870610-image.jpg
The scope of the disaster here is much larger than the cost of the oil. The current worst-case estimate is that 92.5 million gallons have been spilled http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/01/us/20100501-oil-spill-tracker.html At 42 gallons/barrel, this is a spill of about 2.2 million barrels, or about $165 million dollars at $75/barrel. I guess the point is that the impact on energy supply is pretty negligible. The cost of environmental damage and the cost of cleanup could be orders of magnitude higher. For example, the Exxon Valdez spill seems to have been only about 10 million gallons and cost a couple of billion dollars to clean up.
what oil spill?