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By Oshrat Carmiel June 4 (Bloomberg) -- When Richard J. Bailes and his family paid $4.1 million in March for a four-bedroom apartment in the glass and steel Georgica on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, just eight of the building’s 58 units were occupied, he said. Bailes and his family had plenty of places to choose from. About 8,700 new condos sit empty in Manhattan, with 75 percent not even listed... [more]
By Oshrat Carmiel June 4 (Bloomberg) -- When Richard J. Bailes and his family paid $4.1 million in March for a four-bedroom apartment in the glass and steel Georgica on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, just eight of the building’s 58 units were occupied, he said. Bailes and his family had plenty of places to choose from. About 8,700 new condos sit empty in Manhattan, with 75 percent not even listed for sale yet, said appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. Priced at levels the market no longer supports, they’re selling so slowly it would take as long as seven years to find buyers for them all, said Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel. Miller teamed up with Westwood Capital LLC and developer Gerald Guterman to raise as much as $1 billion to buy empty condos and manage them as rentals. Guterman made his name in the 1980s doing just the opposite. “Things are going to run out of steam at pretty predictable times,” said Daniel Alpert, managing partner of New York-based Westwood Capital. “In the case of these condos, it’s when the reserve funds run out.” Builders can’t afford to cut prices because they borrowedtoo much at the height of the market, according to Miller. He and his partners are betting that lenders will seek to sell their condo units at a loss rather than foreclose on the building and assume all the developer’s liabilities until the units are sold. Developers taking out construction loans borrow an additional amount for interest reserves, which is intended to cover the monthly payments on the loan while the project is under construction and until sales begin, Miller said. Alpert estimates that reserves on loans made in 2007 and 2008 will dwindle in the second half of 2010 and early 2011. 12 Unit Sales The Georgica’s developer started marketing the apartments there in May 2008, and by the time Bailes bought his, 12 had sold, according to StreetEasy.com, a property listing service. “On one side of the building at nighttime, ours are the only lights on,” Bailes, a director at the Americas division of the architectural firm RMJM who moved to Manhattan with his family from Short Hills, New Jersey, said in April. “You haveall the facilities and staff to yourself.” The pace of sales at the building has subsequently picked up, with 32 apartments closed and nine more under contract, according to Judy Kekesi, a senior sales associate for Corcoran Sunshine Marketing Group, the firm in charge of marketing the 58-unit Georgica. A call to Ascend Group, the developer of the property, wasn’t returned yesterday. Rent Multiplier Condominium Recovery LLC, the firm started by Miller, Westwood and Guterman, bases its analysis of the market on Manhattan’s “gross rent multiplier” -- the purchase price of an apartment divided by the annual cost of renting a similar one. The relationship between home prices and rents typically remains steady within a market, Miller said. In Manhattan, the average apartment, adjusted for inflation, cost 8.1 times annual rent from 1991 to 1997, according to Miller Samuel data. That means that in those years, buyers in Manhattan concluded that the long term benefits of owning an apartment -- tax savings andproperty appreciation -- were worth an initial investment of eight times the cost of renting. Then in 1998, Manhattan prices began a decade-long climb, with year-over-year values rising by 10 percent or more in most quarters. By the second quarter of 2008 apartment prices peaked at 22.4 times annual rent, according to Miller Samuel data. Buy Vs. Rent At that level, buying rather than renting in Manhattan only makes sense if the purchaser expects prices to continue rising at a meteoric clip, with future sales’ profits justifying ownership costs that also include property taxes, interest and maintenance fees. New York is the No. 1 city in the U.S. where the overall costs of buying are “significantly more expensive than renting,” according to a report released yesterday by property website Trulia.com. Manhattan’s multiple in the first quarter of 2010 was 19 times rent, even as rental prices fell 6.1 percent from a year earlier, according to data from Miller Samuel. “That suggests a few things,” Miller said. “One is thatprices are poised to slip further.” The median value of apartments for resale in Manhattan has already fallen 31 percent since 2008, narrowing their spread over rents, Miller said. By comparison, apartments in new developments, which are saddled by debt for construction loans made during the property boom, have fallen by 24 percent -- and much of that drop was due to smaller units being sold rather than significant price reductions by the developer, Miller said. Pet Spas New apartments, built with amenities like pet spas and wine vaults, won’t be able to reduce their price tags enough to compete with existing buildings -- and still satisfy their lenders, Miller said. The hurdle for new developments during the slump stemmed from a lack of financing for would-be buyers. Mortgage-finance company Fannie Mae doesn’t back loans made in new buildings where fewer than 51 percent of the units are in contract. That in turn makes mortgage lenders hesitant to make loans at such properties, said Orest Tomaselli, chief executive officer ofNational Condo Advisors LLC, a White Plains, New York-based consulting firm that helps developments comply with Fannie Mae and Federal Housing Administration lending requirements. 16% of Sales New development purchases made up 16 percent of all Manhattan sales in the first quarter, compared with 43 percent of all sales in the first three months of 2009. The newly built apartment units that did close in the first quarter were on the market for 385 days, while resale properties spent 103 days on the market, according to Miller. Bailes, who didn’t need financing for his purchase at the Georgica, said he was attracted to the building in part because it hadn’t yet secured enough sales to meet Fannie Mae approval. It made the developers more willing to negotiate on price in exchange for a cash offer. “You get more of a deal,” said Bailes, who purchased the unit at a 17 percent discount off the asking price, according to StreetEasy.com. “The market is still not back,” he said. “But we’re init at least three years. We’re not looking to make any money any time soon on where we live.” At One Rector Park, a Battery Park City rental building converted in to 174 condominiums, the sales office has been shuttered. There have been no sales in the building, according to StreetEasy. Melissa Cohen, sales director at Buttonwood Development LLC didn’t return a call for comment. Neither did a spokesman for the project’s lender, iStar Financial Inc. ‘Shadow Inventory’ The 8,700 unsold new condos in Manhattan exceed all residential sales in the borough in 2009, according to Miller. About 6,500 of those units are “shadow inventory” and have not yet been listed for sale, he said. “If you flush that all into the market you tank the market,” Westwood’s Alpert said. “So the only way you can effectively push that into the market is to bleed it out very slowly. Well, the lenders don’t really have the option to bleed it out slowly because they can’t hold onto it for six years.” Condominium Recovery, formed in 2009, is in the process ofsecuring $350 million in equity commitments from private equity firms, Alpert said. The partnership plans to approach lenders of stalled condominium projects in Manhattan and Florida, and offer cash in exchange for bulk increments of 50 to 200 units --enough to take control of the homeowners’ association, cancel the sales plan, and operate the property as a luxury apartment building, Alpert said. They are making bids on Florida properties, and will turn to New York later this year. Distressed Investing There are currently 90 U.S.-based private-equity funds with an aggregate $37.9 billion dedicated to investing and acquiring distressed real estate, according to London-based research firm Preqin Ltd. “Most investors would be happy to buy apartments for operation as rentals, but most sellers and their lenders would not,” said Susan Hewitt, president of Cheshire Group LLC, a New York real estate investment and development firm that bought unsold condos in the last property downturn. “The original developer isn’t interested in any pricebelow the value of his interest and the lender isn’t interested in writing it down until they’re forced to for regulatory reasons,” she said. “That accounts for the paralysis right now.” So long as regulators don’t force lenders to write down the value of their condo loans, they won’t, said Alexander Goldfarb, an analyst at Sandler O’Neill & Partners LP in New York. Big Haircut “Here’s the challenge,” Goldfarb said in an interview. “At the peak, a for-sale condo in New York cost, let’s say $1,000 a square foot to build. To make it work as a rental -- conceptually you need a pretty big haircut.” In Washington, Equity Residential, the largest publicly traded apartment company, paid $167 million for a two-tower, 559-unit building that was developed as a condominium, the company announced in April. The property will become a rental building. Essex Property Trust Inc., another publicly traded apartment rental company, acquired Orange County, California-based Skyline at MacArthur Place condos from a lender for 55 percent of the initial construction costs, according to a March 5 statement. AvalonBay Communities Inc. the second-largest publicly traded apartment owner in the U.S., is in talks with lenders about buying unsuccessful condominium projects in the markets where it operates rentals, Chief Executive Officer Bryce Blair said in an interview last month. ‘Miami ‘08’ “New York is Miami ‘08 right now,” said Peter Zalewski, principal of Condo Vultures LLC., a Bal Harbour, Florida, real estate brokerage and consulting firm specializing in bulk sales. “If Miami is reflective of what will happen in New York, I would say the only suitable use for those condos that are vacant right now is rental,” Zalewski said. In downtown Miami, where 23,000 new condo units were built between 2003 and 2010, the paralysis happened in 2006, as new home sales nationally began to decline, Zalewski said. The logjam for investors targeting the oversupply of condos in Miami broke in July 2008, with the bulk purchase of 146 apartments at50 Biscayne Blvd. by Philadelphia private-equity firm Lubert- Adler Partners LP and the project developer, Related Group of Florida. The firms bought the properties for $36.4 million, or half the cost of the individually sold units, Zalewski said. All the units were rented out, and as of March, 50 have been resold to individuals at a price more reflective of the market, according to Zalewski. Bulk Sales There have been 44 bulk transactions in Miami since July 2008, covering about 3,600 units, according to Zalewski. In many of the transactions, the developer holds on to the best apartments in the building for sale as condos, while selling the lesser ones in bulk to investors. In New York, Corcoran Sunshine, the new-development sales unit of New York brokerage Corcoran Group, tried spurring sales at some of its properties in March by holding 12 simultaneous open houses and releasing a list of “Top 10 Reasons to Buy New Development.” “Brand new everything,” was the No. 2 reason on the list,which also cited “intelligently designed” materials and “immediate occupancy.” Kelly Mack, president of Corcoran Sunshine, said she doesn’t expect any of her new developments to become rental buildings. With no new projects introduced to the market in the fourth quarter, and the development pipeline slowing, there will be an eventual shortage of new apartments to buy, she said. “In today’s environment, buyers have a unique opportunity,” Mack said. “They have a lot to choose from.” For Related News and Information: Top Bloomberg News real estate stories: TOPR Stories on the U.S. property industry: TNI US REL Stories on the homebuilding industry: NI HOM U.S. Housing and construction data: HSST Luxury real estate resources: LXRE Miller Samuel Manhattan prices: MLH SQFT GP Personal wealth stories: NI PW CN Top real estate stories: TOPR Stories on Florida real estate: TNI FL REL [less]
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Looks like we are in for some interesting times in Manhattan real estate.
This is the key line, it has been a stalemate for 2 years now. The Equity holders (developer), have no incentive to cut prices below a threshold in which they fail to make any money, they are essentially holding options right now. And the debt holders are more worried about appearances on their books rather than cutting prices and getting most of their money back. The result is they will be forced to sell at a further discount in the future...unless of course the market does comeback, but I fail to see any support for that option
“The original developer isn’t interested in any pricebelow the value of his interest and the lender isn’t interested
in writing it down until they’re forced to for regulatory
reasons,” she said. “That accounts for the paralysis right
now.”
Meanwhile, I keep waiting for this reality to set in. In the meantime, bought a great place in Miami Beach for 43% of the price it originally sold for. Wouldn't it be great to be able to do that in NYC?
There's a huge difference between Miami and Manhattan. There are huge numbers of people who would like to live in Manhattan but can't afford it. In Miami, they have condos that are almost free compared to a Manhattan condo.
And I don't see the rents in Manhattan being so cheap as the article says.
bob- i negociated 3 months free plus parking in my lease. so listed rents may not be reflective of actual situation.
and your right, their are huge numbers of people who cant afford it- so they dont live here. also, there are huge numbers who want to leave too. not trying to be a party pooper, but the market will stabilize until it doesnt, and we can keep saying its different here, and it will be different until it isnt. it seems like fundementals look bad.
i know, i suck at spelling
not looking so close at rentals anymore, but just in my community of friends/acquaitances, either they bought before end of april, or they are not buying.
43% sounds pretty high, but if we've already come down 20% (?), it may not be such a stretch.
It's obama's fault. he forced them to overbuild and he neglected to create enough high-paying jobs. it's obvious.
And then he pushed through offshore oil rigging, just so it could explode and then he can FORCE communistic energy, like wind and solar and tidal, on us.
dont forget that he bought drugs and prostitutes for minerals and mining folks
AND he has nightly satanic rituals in the backyard of the white house where he prays to mephistopheles and sacrifices kittens. can you believe this guy?
Isn't he Muslim? And not born in the us? I demand to see a birth certificate!
I heard he brought bedbugs into the white house
He's too skinny ... probably doing horse. In fact, didn't he have a big dinner for a big Mexican drug lord recently?
Now that palin chick. She's my kinda daisy duke milf.
so Georgica, a much maligned high end condo in the supposedly doomed for disaster upper east side, which is right in the 2nd ave subway construction zone, which only started marketing units after the peak and after Bear failed, has 70% of its units either in contract or already closed. sounds pretty impressive to me. i don't know much about new condo economics or the specifics of this building, but at 70% I'd say they are pretty close to bread even already. hardly a great example of impending doom.
ooooh yeah palin. that chick knows the score. she knows all the dirty environmentalists are the ones who really caused the oil spill. spread the word to the herd palin, educate america. i love republicans! so rich and powerful, plus they love jesus
Another hijacked thread.
Topper, stay on topic. I'd go lezbo for that Sari Palin' ... them workin' girls is hot!
Printer: I count 26 apts closed at Georgica -- not counting the commercial unit. 8 in contract. So, possibilities
a. SE info is woefully wrong
b. since this number would not make 50% of building, broker is assuming that when they hit 50% in sales then at least 20% of the building will be sold instantaneously to the people waiting for that moment when they can get loans. And in broker business terms you should be able to count the people who mentioned to you that they would like to buy.
c. the broker lied to the press
absolutely apt23. we could either assume that a prestigious news organization like bloomberg does absolutely no fact checking and is a complete shill for some random broker, take the numbers reported in a piece that is clearly negative on new development sales at face value and analyze them as such, OR
we could assume a nefarious plot by all involved and manufacture numbers which better suit our agenda to then analyze. it is up to you.
How long did district claim to be 80 percent sold?
i agree there is a huge diff between miami and manhattan
miami has 2 i's 2 m's and 1 a manhattan has only 1m 3 a's !! and NO i's
OMP is still SOLD OUT!!!
Printer: I have found that many RE reporters are quoting SE numbers. I know that SE numbers are not necessarily 100% accurate particularly since it sometimes takes a couple of days to make it from acris to SE. But the diff between 26 and 32 apts sold (closed) is fairly substantial. And yes, I would bet bloomberg did not have a separate fact checker on this story. My husband is a journalist and editor and knows that fact checking depts have been cut to bone. He is mortified at the number of reporters that don't check or double check facts. Happens all the time . I would be surprised if that building is 70% sold
I agree, knowing media organizations' bare newsrooms, the likelihood this article was fact-checked is slim to none.
So printer, the alternative should be, what is more likely, that a broker lied or that a journalist checked all facts independently?
I agree. The media is not fact checking how hot palin is. It is absurd that we middle Americans have been denied our liberties! Damn these here lane markers! And stop signs!
Back on topic, you are welcome.
Stop signs are not authorized under the Constitution of the United States of America.
Eeh, W67. Didn't figure you for a white-fleshy-mama-loving-boy.
Yes. Those glasses are sending way too many mixed signals. Do her once? Maybe. Anything more? Doubtful. And that seems low on the milf scale to me.
She's an milf most would like to do and move on. Although what do I know? Maybe that's typical milfness.
back to the original topic - it's about time and it will take more time but I think it's coming = especially with the strength of the dollar coupled with unemployment
ok, ok, if you insist. azure, isn't this a tempting offer? no units listed in contract, wouldn't you like to go where no one has gone before? do hsbc and jpm's shareholders know about this? who said the bubble is dead? at least they're not option arms, just IO.
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If I understand apt23's conspiracy theory (or perhaps it's simply an incompetence theory) about reporters and brokers, the difference between 26 closed sales (actually 26 + a couple of weeks of closed sales not yet in ACRIS/SE) and 32 is fundamental. OK, so let's change printer's 70% to 60%. Everyone happy now? Any more nitpicking on the numbers, or shall we return to the actual point...which is that printer's argument still makes sense and Georgica still fails to qualify as a herald of impending doom? To give credit where credit is due, it looks like aboutready and Skinny figured this out well before I did, so they just skipped the Georgica discussion and went straight to actual troubled buildings like District, OMP and the Azure.
w67, I just wanted to know what you meant by milf. I liked this definition myself:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/04/matthews_and_maher_discuss_app_1.html
By Bob Willis
June 9 (Bloomberg) -- An index of mortgage applications in
the U.S. fell to the lowest level since April as purchases
declined for a fifth straight week and refinancing plunged.
The Mortgage Bankers Association’s index decreased 12
percent in the week ended June 4. The Washington-based group’s
refinancing gauge dropped 14 percent while the measure of
purchases fell 5.7 percent to the lowest level since February
1997.
The expiration of a buyer tax credit at the end of April
may be reducing demand, indicting home sales will struggle
without more jobs. With millions of homeowners owing more than
their houses are worth, fewer Americans are in a position to
refinance even as borrowing costs approach record lows on
mounting concerns of sovereign defaults in Europe.
“There is anecdotal evidence suggesting housing demand is
weakening after the expiration of the tax credit,” Julia
Coronado, a senior economist at BNP Paribas in New York, said
before the report. “This is a golden opportunity to refinance,
given risk aversion in global markets, but there are not thatmany people who are still eligible.”
The share of applicants seeking to refinance a loan
declined to 72.2 percent last week from 73.8 percent the prior
week.
The average rate on a 30-year fixed loan fell to 4.81
percent from 4.83 percent the prior week. Rates reached a record
low of 4.61 percent in March 2009 after the Federal Reserve
expanded a mortgage-purchasing plan aimed at reducing lending
rates. The program ended in March of this year.
Monthly Payments
At the current 30-year rate, monthly payments for each
$100,000 of a loan would be about $525, down $47 from a year ago
when the rate was 5.57 percent.
The average rate on a 15-year fixed mortgage rose to 4.26
percent from 4.24 percent, and the rate on a one-year adjustable
mortgage declined to 6.94 percent from 6.96 percent.
The tax credit for first-time homebuyers, which was
extended in November to include some current owners, required
contracts be signed by April 30 and settled by June 30.many people who are still eligible.”
The share of applicants seeking to refinance a loan
declined to 72.2 percent last week from 73.8 percent the prior
week.
The average rate on a 30-year fixed loan fell to 4.81
percent from 4.83 percent the prior week. Rates reached a record
low of 4.61 percent in March 2009 after the Federal Reserve
expanded a mortgage-purchasing plan aimed at reducing lending
rates. The program ended in March of this year.
Monthly Payments
At the current 30-year rate, monthly payments for each
$100,000 of a loan would be about $525, down $47 from a year ago
when the rate was 5.57 percent.
The average rate on a 15-year fixed mortgage rose to 4.26
percent from 4.24 percent, and the rate on a one-year adjustable
mortgage declined to 6.94 percent from 6.96 percent.
The tax credit for first-time homebuyers, which was
extended in November to include some current owners, required
contracts be signed by April 30 and settled by June 30. Homebuilders remain cautious. Pulte Group Inc., the largest
U.S. homebuilder by revenue, reported a narrower loss in the
first quarter after it combined operations with rival Centex
Corp.
“We’ve gotten off to a solid start in a year that may not
be as robust as some had expected,” Richard J. Dugas, the
company’s chairman and chief executive officer, said on a
conference call with analysts on May 5. “While unemployment is
high at roughly 10 percent, that still means that 90 percent of
people are working, but not many of them are buying homes right
now.”
http://www.cnbc.com/id/37575536
"housing's double dip"
i bought at georgica and can attest to 32 closed. i believe a few more closings scheduled in next couple of weeks and apparently 7 or 8 contract signed.
Like we didn't know this was coming.
no doubt KeithW is just part of the Hamas propaganda machine....
no, a union member able to buy new construction solely due to his cushy salary and benefits
So now SE lists 42 closed out of 58 available (I'm taking out the commercial unit), which is 72%, with another 3 in contract. What say you now, conspiracy theorists? They appear to have done a very good job finding the right pricing for this building.