For those who want it all except to pay for it

i have my doubts as well but i am so tired of people shooting at him. in our current environment, no one has a chance to make anything better.

So cc thinks that America should have taken no military action whatsoever after we were attacked on 9/11. Disgusting.

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Paging the magic politician.

Needed to begin our lengthy dialogue aimed at creating a process.

and this is constructive?

Military Action? Are we against Obama's war in Afghanistan now? More noise.

and for licc---the idiot who can't speak english nor form a cogent argument?

do you think the answer to september 11th was the war in iraq?

oh riversider---now its obama's war? shame on you for this and everything else. shame on you.

It depends, what do you define as constructive?

Shall we begin a dialogue to consider starting a process that would involve a discussion leading to a potential conclusion about what a solution might be that could be further studied for a potential committee to enact it? Would that be constructive?

if he pulled out, you would have said he was a chicken. more screeching.

why do you want our leaders to fail? does that make you feel better about your sad circumstances?

"do you think the answer to september 11th was the war in iraq?"

That is a good question.
What we need to answer that question is for a politician to stand up and say, "there are no easy answers anymore. for a viable future, we need to have shared sacrifice. rather than try to figure out how and which programs to cut, lets start with a lengthy dialogue aimed at creating a process that is fair."

very helpful, you fucking idiot. great contribution. you are making everything better.

I am beginning a lengthy dialog, isn't that good enough?

I'm not? Oh, maybe I need to make more of a shared sacrifice.

what the fuck is your point?

you come on here and go: blah, blah, blah?

that's your fucking point?

You know columbiacounty, there are no easy answers anymore.

brilliant.

Thank you. My aim is to create a process that is fair.

why don't you tell us about your other stupid identities here?

you are clearly obsessed with me.

why?

How about we discuss it after your next Rich Dad Poor Dad seminar at the Secaucus Marriott?

need new material.

boring.

I hope it isn't boring. This is part of a lengthy dialog.

salut, I believe I made a mistake earlier. if so, my apologies.

bslotkin, you are boring in the extreme

Perhaps we need a politician to stand up and begin a process of a lengthy dialog to determine that there are no easy answers anymore.

But you are right, I don't have that magnetic charm of Robert Kiyosaki.

bs, you don't have anything to offer. and zero charm, of any sort. troll.

You are right, I'm not the magic politician.

What are you offering? A lengthy dialog?

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I know nothing...I know nothing...
-----Sergeant Shultz

thanks Shultz (at least Shultz was lovable (a lovable Nazi, go figure)

Loved that show. Colonel Klink's family was Jewish and the fled the Nazis. Lebow was in a concentration camp. Ironic how such a funny show could have actors that suffered such tragedy.

At least we can all agree the leader of the regime has no vision and no solutions. Just words! I think we need another commission to study the problems. All hail the government.

No.

We can all agree that you and colonel klink are pathetic fools.

I really hope your leaders fail completely with their socialist policies.

How can you want the president of the united states to fail? Where do you live? If the president fails, you'll be satisfied? Brilliant.

I live on the UWS.the one and only libertarian. How can you want his marxist ideas to succeed? Where do you live? And yes, i will celebrate when his policies fail and he is happily playing basketball and feasting on kobe beef in Chicago as a private citizen.

finallyjoy, what is your real estate situation on UWS?

How does it benefit a citizen of the united states for the president to fail?

SE10025.. Homeowner.

sorry se10024

So...you don't know your name Julia or your zip code?

Brilliant as usual.

To the point that common ground can always** be found if the rhetoric can be toned to conversational level, I actually agree with Riversider on something: Hogan's Heroes was the funniest show ever. At first I had to sneak around to watch it since my father was adamantly opposed to the concept. Then one day we got him to sit down and watch it and .....he laughed his ass off and was hooked. I know nothing! I
see nothing! I say nothing!

**excepting true extremists. I suspect I'd find little to share with Osama, Sarah Palin or Julialg. On the other hand aside from animal empathy I don't think I could really find much to speak about with dogismy either.

"The interesting thing about Arab-Israeli relations is that the majority of Israelis are ready and willing to make peace. Arafat was offered the whole enchilada including East Jerusalem and he crapped out. Go to Hamas official website and examine their central tenets. They call for the destruction of the state of Israel. Let me spell that out for anyone who does not understand...Their reason to exist is to destroy Israel. Hezballah operates under similar conditions. Why does Israel conduct a blockade? To search for weapons. Especially long range missiles from Iran. Follow the news? Hamas has no trouble shooting missiles at Israel. What the heck is wrong with the world? Is the world blind to the secular/religious battle in economically distressed Turkey? The subterfuge isn't even subtle. Cropping out daggers? Photo shopping out the Israeli's pool of blood? Could the world be filled with people that stupid?

sadly.......yes."

Bingo.

It really shows your bias and frame of mind to equate osama and Palin. If one needs more evidence of liberal insanity, there you have it.

So then how do Liberians stand on people like Osama and Palin?

As for calling me a Liberian, I take that as an honor. Liberia was a colony founded by freed Amercan slaves. I certainly look forward to the day when America is a country of free men again.

finallyjoy, libertarian as in Ron Paul? Seriously, he is the closest, so far, that America's come to fascism. Are you familiar with fascism? A lot of humans still find it attractive, apparently. It's very populist, you know.

P.S. Liberia is one of the most nightmarish countries on the planet. Read up.

For the Helen Thomas et al:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?src=me&ref=general
Studies Show Jews’ Genetic Similarity

salut, i'm not a big fan of ron paul but you have to be careful with labels. calling him a fascist doesn't give you a lot of credibility. care to elaborate?

If the President is advocating bad policies that will hurt this country, yes I want him to fail in putting through those policies.

cc has a very hard time with basic concepts. Get too advanced and all he does is insult people with the F-word. Kind of like aboutready except cc has to do it in tiny gray letters.

cc said we had two wasteful wars, so he thinks our military action in Afghanistan after we were attacked on 9/11 was wasteful. What an ignorant, disgusting view to take. That tells a lot about cc's character.

alan, answer the questions.

Good Article in the Economist, that the Republicans are not being active enough in coming up with new ideas, but rather just being against the Democrat's plans

http://www.economist.com/node/16321546?story_id=16321546&source=features_box_main
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HAPPY days are here again for the Republicans, or so you might think. Barack Obama’s popularity rating is sagging well below 50%. Passing health-care reform has done nothing to help him; most Americans believe he has wasted their money—and their view of how he is dealing with the economy is no less jaded. Although growth has returned, the latest jobs figures are dismal and house repossessions continue to rise. And now his perceived failure to get a grip on the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is hurting him; some critics call it his Hurricane Katrina; others recall Jimmy Carter’s long, enervating hostage crisis in Iran. Sixty per cent of Americans think the country is on the wrong track.

Mr Obama deserves to be pegged back. This newspaper supported him in 2008 and backed his disappointing-but-necessary health-care plan. But he has done little to fix the deficit, shown a zeal for big government and all too often given the impression that capitalism is something unpleasant he found on the sole of his sneaker. America desperately needs a strong opposition. So it is sad to report that the American right is in a mess: fratricidal, increasingly extreme on many issues and woefully short of ideas, let alone solutions.

As for ideas, the Republicans seem to be reducing themselves into exactly what the Democrats say they are: the nasty party of No. They may well lambast Mr Obama for expanding the federal deficit; but it is less impressive when they are unable to suggest alternatives. Paul Ryan, a bright young congressman from Wisconsin, has a plan to restore the budget to balance; it has sunk without a trace. During the row over health care, the right demanded smaller deficits but refused to countenance any cuts in medical spending on the elderly. Cutting back military spending is denounced as surrender to the enemy. Tax rises of any kind (even allowing the unaffordable Bush tax cuts to expire as scheduled) are evil.

So...stupid only one wasteful war?

"finallyjoy, libertarian as in Ron Paul? Seriously, he is the closest, so far, that America's come to fascism. Are you familiar with fascism? A lot of humans still find it attractive, apparently. It's very populist, you know." salut.. You must be joking. Libertarians believe in a very limited form of government with the individual paramount. The state is there to protect individual rights and private property. It is in fact the opposite of socialism and fascism. We despise government control. Today, with this regime we are very quickly sliding into soft fascism or socialism (aka. Big oppressive dominating intruding government). The threat is real ,because people like you Salut,and the vast majority of my fellow citizen welcome and desire the welfare state with ever expanding government dominance.

When are you moving to Liberia?

cc You never say anything remotely interesting. Only petty little comment.

CC intelect.

When are you moving to Liberia?

So.. stupid only one wasteful war?

So...you don't know your name Julia or your zip code?

What the fuck is your point?

and this is constructive?

Just one page of your contributions to the discussion.

Bon voyage.

se10024, there's a difference between a fascist and a nazi. I did not say Ron Paul is a nazi. I said he is a fascist.
Fascism:

Definitions

Main article: Definitions of fascism
Historians, political scientists, and other scholars have engaged in long debates concerning the exact nature of fascism.[37] Since the 1990s, scholars like Stanley Payne, Roger Eatwell, Roger Griffin and Robert O. Paxton have begun to gather a rough consensus on the system's core tenets. Each form of fascism is distinct, leaving many definitions as too wide or too narrow.[38][39]
Griffin wrote:
[Fascism is] a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led "armed party" which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence.[40]
Paxton wrote that fascism is:
a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.[41]
FROM WIKIPEDIA

finallyjoy, "vast majority" is otherwise known as democracy. SOmetimes democracy goes very wrong (Hitler, for historical and/or genetic reasons) but nothing better was invented so far. I understand you have a problem with democracy but that's not a democracy's problem.

Salut, I don't want to be in a position of defending ron paul as I disagree with many of the issues. But you are not adding to your credibility. You may want to review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_(epithet)

and particularly

As early as 1944, the term had already become so widely and loosely employed that British essayist and novelist George Orwell was moved to write:
It would seem that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox hunting, bullfighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.[1]

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White courtesy phone

Please "start with a lengthy dialogue aimed at creating a process that is fair."

"Good Article in the Economist, that the Republicans are not being active enough in coming up with new ideas, but rather just being against the Democrat's plans"

Agreed. Although given how bad the Democratic plans (and execution) are these days, is that really such a bad thing for the country?

Yes, it really really is such a bad thing for the country.

wow.

Salur... We are a representative republic. Democracies can be very dangerous when the leaders don't believe in individual liberty and private property rights. This regime certainly falls into the dangerous category.

Do you get paid each time you use the word regime or does it just make you feel warm and tingly?

The republicans should be the party of hell no. Why compromise with dictatorial policies? The republicans should have been the party of limited government, but the Bushes and other country club republicans are really democrats lite.

I take that to mean that you represent the trailer park repuglicans.

I'm a libertarian alanhat. I hate parties and groups and collectives and common good and fair share and shared sacrifice and socialists and regimes and dictators.. You know that by now, don't you?

You hate. We all get that.

cc Where do you live? You never answered that question. All you do is add petty little comments. You never add anything to any discussions. You never take risk, just sitting there feeding off others.

So...yet someone else for you to hate. Where do I rank on the hate o meter?

> You hate. We all get that.

The framers hated most of that too. Parties and collectives and socialists and regimes and dictators for sure... and they certainly weren't talking about "fair share".

cc Where do you live? You never answered that question. All you do is add petty little comments. You never add anything to any discussions. You never take risk, just sitting there feeding off others.

Libertarian = Economically a Republican, socially a Democrat who hates being labeled a democrat or republican. :)

BTW
How to be a good...
...Democrat:
You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
...Republican:
You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread because people are evil and should be punished.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
...Republican:
You have to believe that evolution is a myth, but that Intelligent Design theory should be taught in schools.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese & North Korean communists.
...Republican:
You have to believe that there is no causal link between legal, easily-obtainable handguns and high murder rates.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUVs.
...Republican:
You have to believe that global temperatures are completely unaffected by fossil fuel emissions, that the best way to save the national forests is to allow logging companies to cut down old-growth timber, and the best way to save endangered species is to allow trophy hunters and wildlife traders to import more of them.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.
...Republican:
You have to believe that homosexuality is evil and that women should stay at home to cook and bear children.

...Democrat:
You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
...Republican:
You have to be against abortion but support capital punishment.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that businesses create oppression, and governments create prosperity.
...Republican:
You have to believe that corporations never purposely hurt anyone to make money.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.
...Republican:
You have to believe that hunting requires an automatic rifle.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
...Republican:
You have to believe that middle class income should be taxed, but capital gains and inherited wealth should not be.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that the military is another political porkbarrel for wealthy campaign contributors of certain politicians.
...Republican:
You have to believe that everyone should support the troops - except when it comes to pay or benefits.

...Democrat:
You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.
...Republican:
You have to believe the NRA is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E.Lee, and Thomas Edison.
...Republican:
You have to believe that Oliver North and Monica Lewinsky are more important to American history than Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.
...Republican:
You have to believe that Ann Coulter is normal and really a very nice person.

...Democrat:
You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
...Republican:
You have to believe that the only reason supply-side economics hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

Sorry but if you take either party too seriously, you are merely a mirror image of the side you hate.

..Democrat:
You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and really a very nice person.
...Republican:
You have to believe that Ann Coulter is normal and really a very nice person. Who can possibly like either of those women?

truthkr10 ... I do consider Lewinsky the high-point of the Clinton presidency. People made a big deal about such an insignificant thing. Getting serviced by an intern in the White house should be a private matter.

Actually the big deal was lying to Congress......Roger Clemens (at least his lawyer) should have payed more attention to that.
Combined with frustration for not being able to get Clinton in jail for the things he did do and voila....you get a frappe light (impeachment).

"Actually the big deal was lying to Congress..." Not to Congress but a special prosecutor. But, hey, it was just about sea. Right?

...sea...gars?

THe movie called "The Special Relationship" about Tony Blair and Clinton's relationship was pretty entertaining. The one who played Hillary nailed it.

was just about sex. Right? typo

And you're just about no sex, julialg. Right? no typo

Right?

I always felt bad for Clinton. To have a reasonable run only to be undone by little jimmy. As a country we were outraged. How dare he diddle the help. So outraged that we punished his trusty companion Tonto...I mean Gore (always get wooden figures confused). We elected Bush to teach us all a lesson. We had enough of Brains and Balls. It was time to give Brainlessballs a chance.

Lesson learned.

was it?

As it goes...yes

"Libertarian = Economically a Republican, socially a Democrat who hates being labeled a democrat or republican. :)"

spot on.

"Sorry but if you take either party too seriously, you are merely a mirror image of the side you hate. "

well said there, too.

anybody parroting either platform is an idiot.

I didnt care about any of that.
But the military secrets to China was deeply disturbing.
Unprovable, but wow who woulda thought all those chinese people living in 300 sqft apartments in chinatown could afford to donate 1K each for her campaign.

So... After Bush, we elect an individual that has accomplished nothing in life. He is' very clean and articulate' (j. biden) and we all are told incredibly smart. I do believe his life is like his Nobel Peace Prize, given everything earned nothing.

"Sorry but if you take either party too seriously, you are merely a mirror image of the side you hate."

amen sista/brotha! who wrote this? you're a good man/woman.

After Bush.....
Who in their right mind would want the job of tackeling the mess left in his wake.
McCain proved himself to be dope with his Palin pick.
Who was left? I think this country was just ready to wing it. The major problem is that the boomers with their powerful voting base, greedy needs and their dementia are driving this country into the ditch. When all is said and done we going to look like the biggest Greece you ever saw.

Oh, if there was just one Kennedy left sober enough to drive........

"So... After Bush, we elect an individual that has accomplished nothing in life. He is' very clean and articulate' (j. biden) and we all are told incredibly smart"

Jimmy Carter was supposedly a genius. That really didn't work out well, did it?

Bush was dumber than dumb, and in his wake it appeared that nobody could possibly be dumber still.

And yet smart Obama just out-Katrina'd him. Just goes to show that it takes more than brains.

And it also takes more than the Democratic "two wrongs make a right" platform.

He didn't even close GITMO or pull the troops out of Iraq. Why aren't the leftist screaming bloody hell now?

btw, is anybody finding the "protect BP and our pensions" arguments a little ironic?

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/06/11/uk.media.gulf.oil/index.html?eref=edition_business&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fedition_business+%28RSS%3A+Business%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

Change BP to "Wall Street"..... interesting that you're not allowed to say that one.