Very East low 60's

well you are getting close to LIC and the cabs all trying to save a $ to xross QB bridge to park their cars on LIC, and you are about as far from central park... and then theres' the dead zone (commercially spking) bc of the medical facilities... and did i mention the traffic back up every week nite?

On York I guess is as w67 describes (except for the near LIC thing - I don't get that at all). But 1st Ave in the low 60s is a nice residential neighborhood and you have easy access at 60th St and 3rd/Lex to the NRQW456 trains and the F at 63rd and Lex. 1st is lined with restaurants as well. If you are looking at something like 1 Sutton Place North, you're practically on 1st. If you mean something on York, I'd imagine a whole different feel (a feeling of being far from anything). As a bonus, things like rent and parking are definitely lower over here. (Forget street parking, though - midtown parking regs).

It's a very quiet area even during the day. It is one block away from the activity of First Avenue so close to some shopping (food,drug store, few restaurants). You're right near the bridge with all the traffic. Personally, if you had another option, it might be a better choice because the area is pretty empty.

It does appear very residential. Walking distance to supermarkets, stores, restaurants... doesn't seem that bad to me. But I do hear what you are all saying. Guess it is a bit of a trade off. Although, it could be worse. I spoke to one of the residents and they really love the neighborhood. I'll keep looking for a bit... any other well priced neighborhoods out there? Relatively speaking of course....

Due to the nightly bridge traffic I'd rather live on first ave than on second ave in the low 60's. First has a more residential feel, and less commercial, and right now second is a nightmare with the subway construction.

Like all neighborhoods, once you live there, you love the good aspects. Bridge traffic, that's bad, but there are alot of good points too. Living on York or east of york is not really a bad thing.

awful.. You're trapped in with all the bridge ramps. York itself there almost feels a little "industrial" with the fdr ramp, and that gas station and such. Just not a very nice feel.

First avenue is a little better, but still cheesy.

the only addiltional twist i'd put on what others have said is that things like how big the effect of bridge traffic on the neighborhood will be could be very much time-of-day dependent. i spend a lot of time with friends in Murray Hill near the Queens Midtown tunnel (which is, however, a lower-traffic river crossings, since you have to pay inbound from Queens) and I've been surprised how there's times of day when the traffic is so close to typical levels of Manhattan traffic elsewhere that I scarecely notice how close the tunnel exit is.

So, that's just something you want to keep in mind in the equation. It would really depend on what times of day, day-in, day-out, you'll be spending time in close proximity to your home. Come to think of it, I also once lived close to Port Authority/Lincoln Tunnel, and it wasn't all that often that I was close to home when those areas were jam-packed.

That all being said, weekend nights, with bridge and tunnel traffic coming in and out of the city to party, you can have some bizarrely busy / horn-honking times near these spots. I mean, such is life in New York. I guess a lot of the time, finding a unit you absolutely love can compensate for an awful lot of individual neighborhood disadvantages. Good luck on your hunt.

my brother used to live at 420 e 61 (solow rental building) and it's not a terrible area. traffic can become a nightmare (fdr entrance, qb bridge) but there are some cool restaurants, wine stores and shops over there. i used to date a girl who lived in a building on 62nd and 1st and it was a pretty nice, reasonably priced building so i'd imagine there are some discounts to be had over there.

My search continues... what about Tudor City?

quiet neighborhood unless the un is in session. buildings tend to be old/dark and i've heard of some nasty battles between residents and coop boards over there. basically it's cool if you're dracula.

> hrdnitlr

Maybe the tunnel is different, but I can't tell you how many weekend afternoons I remember 2nd avenue being basically stopped and honking from 68th down to the bridge.