BAM district in Brooklyn

WOW! This was great info to know. I was thinking about a place at One Hanson, but this new building is going to basically kill the gorgeous view on the north side of One Hanson looking directly out over Manhattan!

matsonjones: It will not be that bad for One Hanson. The new building is exactly in line with Toren, Oro & Avalon (Forte being slightly off to the east), except a bit closer from One Hanson's vantage point. Plus, all those buildings only block the uninteresting low-rise part of Manhattan view-wise, leaving all the Midtown & Wall st iconic landmarks totally intact.
Agree it's great news for BAM district, especially for Forte & One Hanson. It will dwarf 36 Rockwell but compensate it with sprucing up the streetscape & bringing more safety and convenience.

this area is the most conjested and loud area in nyc. Its worse then times square.

agreed, and after the blyn yards project i up, traffic will be worse than it was today, with 15" of drifting snow

The conjection is rather limited to Flatbush Ave & Atlantic Center . Rockwell & Ashland btwn Fulton & Atlantic are, on the contrary, quite obsolete. That's why more development on these blocks will do good.
Speaking of snow & wind, I actually can't think of any place worse than One Brooklyn Bridge Park! Freezing hell from now on until April 2011...

Update on BAM district: currently under renovation
Fisher building broken ground:
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/06/lpc_signs_off_o_1.php
Strand Theater/BRIC Arts/Urban Glass won Excellence in Design award:
http://www.urbanglass.org/node/447
http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/bam-cultural-district-the-strand-theater/

Theater for a new audience design revealed, financing secured, supposed to break ground soon:
http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/33/23/dtg_theater_2010_06_04_bk.html

BAM archive center bought commercial space in Forte:
http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2010/03/details_on_bams.php

Not BAM proper but:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/realestate/22bam.html

matsonjones: you may want to gather more info about the "South Tower", which is even closer to 1 Hanson. But again, it's not directly to the north of 1 Hanson. Hope this can help.
BAM district master plan:
http://www.dbpartnership.org/lookingahead/bamcd/

Dear buybye:

Thanks so much for all the info. Please forgive me for asking this question - but - are you a broker or real estate professional? You seem to know a great deal about which buildings and projects are moving forward in that area. I'm not asking because I would consider it a negative, but simply because the disclosure (if true) would be good to know. Thanks....

No. Just have been following the market for a while... both in field & on Streeteasy. Atually I have even served as consultant for a couple of friends when they purchased real estate. :)
Good luck with your search.

that area is kind a s$*&t hole dude. The people that hang around look like they are from the swamps of the south.

This new tower could be the start in turning this area around.

this neighborhood is currently an awful place to live, in process of being changed to a massive constuction site, where will be built facilities that encourage a regular invasion of drunken sports/events fans. see wrigleyville in chicago. the traffic is already awful and not just on flatbush, and will only get worse. an example of excellent urban planning for powerful economic interests, with complete disregard for residents

"this neighborhood"? Which neighborhood? The clusters of Toren/Oro/Avalon, 80 Dekalb/Fort Greene/future 29 Flatbush, 1 Hanson/Rockwell are all in or on the edge of the charming Fort Greene, not downtown Bkln, which is technically west to Flatbush. All are within 10 minutes walk to more than 10 subway lines, Fort Greene park/historic brownstone Fort Greene, BAM opera/theater/cinematek, tons of hip restaurants & boutiques on DeKalb & Lafayette. Except the lack of a decent public school and sporadic safety issues, Fort Greene could be one of the most convenient and fun neighborhoods to live in Blkn & NY. Recent proof: Despite being one of the most expensive rentals in Bkln, 80 DeKalb sold out the fastest, filling out a 36 story building within a year beside a handful penthouses in the $5k-7k range! Maybe that's what encouraged Dermot to move along with their luxury highrise...

byebye, i love your statements....

" Except the lack of a decent public school and sporadic safety issues,"

so everyone should pay to live in a place where you will be mugged and have to pay for private school, just to be next to convenient 10 subway lines.... classic.

> This new tower could be the start in turning this area around.

Huh? The first 10 didn't, but the 11th will?

I don't understand why everyone thinks the Barclay Center will ruin the area. If it were only a baseball stadium like Wrigleyville, that would be one matter. But it strikes me that it's more of a Madison Square Garden type of place, where there are sports events, rock concerts, other types of events, etc. I live in Manhattan now on Fifth Avenue in midtown exactly two short blocks from Madison Square Garden (which interestingly also is a nexus of subway lines much like the One Hanson area) and I've never had problems - MSG has everything from sports events to Lady Gaga, and in fact, the area is super safe at night (in my opinion) because of all the lively street and foot traffic in the area. I rather like that aspect of it.

But the area around Madison Square Garden is not considered very residential, IMHO. Restaurants sorely lacking, as are other residential-type services.

The first 10 didn't, but the 11th will?

Not sure which 10 you are speaking of. The BAM area only has 2 buildings, Hanson Place and Forte. Turning the area around has been in the works for some time but I believe this tower would just speed things up. It would also help expedite the gentrification of the Fulton Mall.

With regards to the Barclay Center, it seems that area homeowners are fully behind it. However, all the negative talk is normally coming from renters in the area who are totally opposing it for fear of being priced out of the area.

Disagree completely. Chelsea just a few blocks (less than 10 minutes' walk) to the south and west. Flatiron just a few blocks (less than 10 minutes' walk) to the south and east. ACE Hotel/Stumptown scene just five blocks away. Murray Hill, super residential (less than five minutes' walk) to the east. The distance between Barclays Center and residential places like Hanson Place and BAM cultural district is exactly the same distance.

mAtson - but you're talking about almost 1/2 mile in each direction, which is a lot in terms of differentiating many NY neighborhoods. And as you are saying, those are totally different areas - Chelsea, Flatiron, Murray Hill. They haven't yet come up with a name for the area around MSG, have they?

" MSG has everything from sports events to Lady Gaga, and in fact, the area is super safe at night (in my opinion) because of all the lively street and foot traffic in the area. I rather like that aspect of it."

Its safe, but the area around it is pretty much a craphole. Its dirty, tons of garbage, tons of crappy stores - I think of all the soveneirs stores on 5th ave in the low 30s, I walked by just today. All the bolt bus lines.

Yes, safe, but not at all somewhere I'd want to live.

Oh, and lets not forget. 34th street between 7th and 8th is covered in the crappiest stores in the city. Bagman. The NYman placee next door. Just crapola over there.

> They haven't yet come up with a name for the area around MSG, have they?

Penn Station area. That dominates the neighborhood.

ph41 and somewhereelse: Again - not trying to be snarky - but as I said I live on Fifth and 32, a neighborhood I like very much. It takes me - literally - about 4 minutes to get fromfrom my front door to MSG - couldn't be any closer. Maybe less time if I really hoof it and the lights are all green.

So the first argument I heard was that it might not be safe. Now we agree it's probably safe.

Then I hear the area is bad/not residential/net well served for residential living. And I give three or four examples of different areas within a ten minute (or significantly less) door-to-door walk, and that's not close enough to the area for you. I mean, it's like saying you lived in prime SoHo at one time, but the Bowery (less than 10minutes' walk) was terrible. Not now. Or that you lived in TriBeCa at one time, and FiDi (less than 10minutes' walk) was awful. Etc. I think (am guessing) that places like One Hanson are 'far enough' away to still have good potential as a residence, even though you seem intent on proving otherwise. And I also happen to know plenty of people who live in loft spaces all throughout the blocks in Manhattan of the 30's on the westside between MSG and Penn Station and seem to like it very much.

I still don't see a cogent point of view in your thesis.

Matson - not trying to be snarky, but you must be an Olympic speedwalker if you can get to all those places (Tribeca-FiDi, SoHo-Bowery, MSG-Murray Hill, etc. etc.) in ten minutes.

ph41:

TriBeCa (Chambers and West Broadway) to FiDi area EASY in under ten minutes' walk.
SoHo (Spring and Greene) to Spring and Bowery EASY in under ten minutes' walk.
MSG (32nd and 7th) to 35th and Madison (Murray Hill) EASY in under ten minutes' walk.

No Olympic speed walking required.

this area is what it is, a cheaper alternative for people who cant live in Manhattan. I would not be a long term investor in Brooklyn! Manhattan is where all the action is and its where half the world wants to live, not on Flatbush ave surrounded by projects and derilcts! Get it?

"ph41 and somewhereelse: Again - not trying to be snarky - but as I said I live on Fifth and 32, a neighborhood I like very much."

If people didn't live in neighborhoods that a lot of other people thought sucked, then we wouldn't have sucky neighborhoods. But we do. 5th and 32nd is pretty assy to me, and to most other folks I know. Maybe you love the tourist crap stores and the 99c pizza and papaya dog and maui tacos and 500 guys trying to give you flyers for the double decker bonuses, but the vast majority of folks who have $$ to spend on apartments here don't...

"It takes me - literally - about 4 minutes to get fromfrom my front door to MSG - couldn't be any closer."

I wasn't aware that the standard for a quality location is the ability to get to madison square garden. Maybe thats the problem with your frame of reference.

it's called the garment district.I bought a small building there in 1999 and the tenants were borderline/ brooklyn types of people. now the neighboring buildings are Glennwood. My last tenants were doctor, executive citybank, a known broadway actor. Point is the neighborhhod has changed dramatically. MatsonJ is absolutely correct

> My last tenants were doctor, executive citybank, a known broadway actor.

And folks like that have very often lived in marginal neighborhoods. That doesn't make 5th and 32nd any nicer than it is (which is pretty crappy).

well true.soho was marginal, chelsea too not too long ago.What im saying (and that's how I try to make $)is the trend is very clearly up.and chelsea is moving there.
Marginal ? not anymore. for sure. top gentrified? no. value? excellent.

Bad, bad logic. You can't point at the top neighborhood success stories and use them to predict likelihood for everywhere else.

That's like calling the lottery a great investment vehicle because you know someone who won it.
There are tons of marginal neighborhoods that stayed marginal. Or, surprise, got worse!
You have to stop thinking like a RE shill.

Soho doesn't have penn station and tons of methadone clinics in it. It also doesn't have the welfare office (on 34th). It also doesn't have anything like soho architecture.

If you hadn't noticed, it 'aint soho.

Beirut was also marginal not too long ago.

somewhereelse, you're so angry angry angry.

The discussion in terms of walking distance began because the assertion was made that no nice neighborhoods could exist within easy walking distance of a stadium building such as MSG in Manhattan (based on the discussion of Barclay going up in Brooklyn near BAM and One Hanson). And unless you also consider Chelsea, Flatiron, and Murray Hill to also be 'assy' neighborhoods that's all there is to that. If you had read the entire thread, you wouldn't lash out.

As to your other assertion, I happen to agree that I would NOT buy where I am currently renting (I am considering buying now), but would disagree that this area is 'assy.' As a renter for the first time (for the past two years) in almost twenty years, I really liked the central location, easy access to cabs and/or mass transit, Madison Green Park just five blocks away, the view of the Empire State Building outside of my 30th floor window, great restaurants in the area, and the fact that it's a very well serviced area for residential living (green grocers, shoe repair, dry cleaners, Fedex, Kinkos, Stumptown coffee, etc., etc.,). The last apartment I owned was in the most desirable part of Greenwich Village, and even that prime area has its 'assy' parts. There isn't a locale in Manhattan, no matter how nice, that doesn't.

And SoHo has Canal Street. Talk about 'assy'....

> somewhereelse, you're so angry angry angry.

Actually, sounds like you are the angry one... you just really, really, REALLY need what you are claiming to be true! Angry agenda, much?

> And SoHo has Canal Street. Talk about 'assy'....

As the edge/separator of the neighborhood, going to the crapper neighborhood, absolutely. Being right in the middle of the neighborhood, and being representative of the neighborhood is another.

When you get the autosound dealers on Greene and Prince, let me know...

> no nice neighborhoods could exist within easy walking distance

Nah, the issue is that the stadium is in the MIDDLE of the neighborhood, or defining it, not walking distance to it.

> If you had read the entire thread, you wouldn't lash out.

I did, apparently better than you.

> Madison Green Park just five blocks away,

Uh, do you live in Chicago? Did you just invent a new park?

> Madison Green Park just five blocks away

Or did they just move it? Madison Square Park is on 23-26th, 6 blocks away.

> great restaurants in the area

Ah, must be that Chicago definition of great restaurants. Unless you're loving ktown and Keene's nightly, you're leaving the hood for food regularly. Much, much better parts of manhattan for that. Scary that you think to actually try to point that out as a positive.

> and even that prime area has its 'assy' parts.

And, back to the original point. 32nd and 5th is absolutely assy. Maui Taco and the yellow jumpsuit guys, rock on!

And if you can't tell the difference between a great neighborhood with some spotty spots, and a spotty neighborhood with some horrific spots, then I don't know what to tell you.

You did get the Koren Fried Chicken though. Now you're really rocking it!

Korean are gonna be happy reading all this. I have a feeling somewhereelse is from Brooklyn.

But there's nothing wrong with that

It's just that we began by chatting about my curiosity about One Hanson, the BAM cultural center, Barclay, and Atlantic Yards in relation to that area of Brooklyn, and it devolves into somewhereelse foaming at the mouth about whether Madison Green is five block or six blocks from my building. Streeteasy boards are very weird places.

the problem I think is multiple.
1) people think in black/white, good/bad.But there's no good or bad (well..)neighborhood. I used to live on Park Av and thought it was good. I now live in Chelsea and thinks it's sooo much more fun and practical.When I go to the UES I now feel like in a nursing home. Yet it's arguably "the best".
2) the garment district( let's call it Gadi: see I'm a broker now)is the most convenient place in the city.by far.it's gritty. it's very NYC.And being the very center of Manhattan is not reproducible.
3) we all become emotional about places we know.I've been to brooklyn twice in my life (one by mistake,wrong train).I don't think much of it: yet I know many people who love it. Who's to say?.
4)If you like it it's good.

nicercatch--your knowledge of new york city is clearly very limited--brooklyn twice? once by mistake?

the garment district/penn sta areas are simply awful places to live compared to most established and budding residential neighborhoods in all of the boro's

the area encompassing the blyn yards site and nearby downtown blyn areas will be awful places (worse than before the dev'pmt) to live

Wbottom - the area encompassing the blyn yards site and nearby downtown blyn areas will be awful places (worse than before the dev'pmt) to live.

How could that be? you are telling me that the development o $4.5 billion in the Atlantic Yards + all other investments/gentrification of the adjacent areas such as BAM, would make downtown Brooklyn worse to live. Pretty hard to believe. What is the logic behind this?

"> And SoHo has Canal Street. Talk about 'assy'....

As the edge/separator of the neighborhood, going to the crapper neighborhood, absolutely."

Sorry, since when was Tribeca a crappy neighborhood? Whoops.

matsonjones, unfortunately you're fighting a fruitless battle against people who are determined to prove that their opinions are incontrovertible facts.

I don't really care about fighting any battle, actually.

I'm just curious to try and understand why, with the increasing amount of residential building taking place in this area of Brooklyn, combined with increased services, a new sports/entertainment complex, whatever parts of the Atlantic Yards that get built eventually, and the BAM cultural district, why people insist that the area will be worse off.

Again, first people it was a 'safety' issue, but then everyone kinda dropped that. Then it was nice (and relatively desirable) residential areas couldn't possibly exist within a short walk from a sports/entertainment complex, and that was dismissed as MSG is so close to Chelsea, Flatiron, and Murray Hill.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I am still now trying to understand why people feel this area will be really 'assy' or will be worse off with all this new infrastructure. There's nowhere else in NYC right now I can thing of that's got this combination of cultural, residential, and entertainment complex + money being sent its way. It seems like a potentially opportunistic and positive situation to me, but others see it as being thoroughly and completely negative.

i think the new arena is a huge question mark for the area. If you get all the gangs walking over from bed stuy and clinton hill to get to the game what happens to Fort Greene and BAM area? Its going to be a total mess for years before you even know

Now we are talking of gang invasion of Fort Greene, BAM and Downtown Brooklyn.
Ok everyone, you better watch out...billions of developments which will include a new arena, NBA team owned by the richest Russian billionaire, high end towers, hotels, improved theatre district, gentrified Fulton Mall......all that would result in a gang invasion. Your logic is somewhat questionable samadams.

ok toby youy follow the russian billionaire! Smartest money on the street :)

money and commerce do not a residential neighborhood make

this will be a nasty traffic infested construction site for years

then it will be a nasty traffic infested neighborhood

Wbottom, I don't think anyone here is claiming it will be just like the west village. It's obviously shooting for something that's quite different. What's your basis for predicting it's going to be nasty? And traffic infested?

And the projects won't go away.

> I don't really care about fighting any battle, actually.

As evidence by your continuing to fight and foam.

> Again, first people it was a 'safety' issue, but then everyone kinda dropped that.

I didn't. Safety will be an issue in Brooklyn with those projects dominating the neighborhood.

> Then it was nice (and relatively desirable) residential areas couldn't possibly exist within a short
> walk from a sports/entertainment complex, and that was dismissed as MSG is so close to Chelsea,
> Flatiron, and Murray Hill.

No, you're just confused... between neighborhoods being literally across town, and the thing being smack dab in the middle of the area.

And, of course, the projects.

And you still don't know what Madison Square Park is called?

> somewhereelse foaming at the mouth about whether Madison Green is five block or six blocks from my
> building.

Actually, Madison Green is 10 blocks away (or 9 blocks to the back).

Time for you to get your tourist map out.

> or will be worse off with all this new infrastructure

It won't be worse off, it just won't be particularly great. I wouldn't want to live 2 blocks from MSG either. Its better than the south bronx, but that doesn't make it good.

You seem to be utterly confused on this.

> money and commerce do not a residential neighborhood make

Bingo.

the neighborhood will be invaded by and cater to people who do not live there....at every level

what is your basis for challenging this?

bam and mark morris are very different institutions than what is to be built at atlantic yards--mass market garbage will not benefit the neighborhood....unless you happen to own real estate or a fing tshirt store!! or a fing parking lot!! or some shlthole sports bar for drunken fans to drink more on their way to their cars...or stock in the chili's fudruckers and hooters that will thrive ther

Don't forget the current mall. Gotta love all the fancy stores and the Buffalo Wild Wings... the one with the shooting.

"the neighborhood will be invaded by and cater to people who do not live there....at every level"

Like nearly every neighborhood in Manhattan and brownstone Brooklyn? Oh no! This is New York - if that's what frightens you or makes a neighborhood "nasty" to you, I'm not sure what makes you stick around. Beyond that, your characterizations of the people who you expect to go there are so fraught with condescension and stereotypes, I have to wonder how much actual thought you put into your post.

that's a load of crap--there are good and bad neighborhoods in which to live--the area surrounding penna sta is an awful place to live--up in your loft it may be fine, but on the street doing local errands, and coming and going; it's awful---and it's anything but chelsea, flatiron, e/w village etc

"nasty" isnt my word--an "awful place to live" is my phrase--

the traffic around blyn yards, now that they've barely broken ground, is already a fing mess, and it will only get worse and radiate--as will the garbage retail and parking that will surround

and im not the slightest bit frightened or condescending of my neighbors--just dont like living in a commerce zone that doesn't consider residents of the area--born and bred in this city and completely comfortable with all neighborhoods and people of all walks

and like i said, before all the money you tout, when the neighborhood was much "poorer", it had a good soul, and was a much better place to live than it will be going forward

Wbottom,

There are good and bad neighborhoods in which to live - no one is denying that. But I think a couple people on this thread are guilty of laziness in ascribing certain characteristics or judgments based on names alone. How quickly we forget that this is a city of rather small neighborhoods, and much can change block to block. matsonjones' address of 32nd and 5th is really fine (IMHO of course), despite its relative proximity to MSG/Penn Station, and it's a very different block if you take a closer look. Yes, the immediate blocks around those major hubs are not that appealing, but a short walk away you'll find some pretty great (and desirable) stuff. The same will apply to Atlantic Yards once it's done, despite the rampant pessimism, negativity, and schadenfreude of some.

""nasty" isnt my word"

It is - you used it at least twice.

"and im not the slightest bit frightened or condescending of my neighbors"

Sorry, but "shlthole sports bar for drunken fans to drink more on their way to their cars...or stock in the chili's fudruckers and hooters that will thrive ther" belies that.

"when the neighborhood was much "poorer", it had a good soul, and was a much better place to live than it will be going forward"

Atlantic Yards had "soul"? Look, there's no denying the development of the area has its pros and cons, but I think you're romanticizing, ignoring the past, and judging the whole thing before it's even done, most likely because hating on money, gentrification, and "newness" is a facile and lazy way of buying you some degree of social conscience. I'm not quite as convinced.

"that's a load of crap--there are good and bad neighborhoods in which to live--the area surrounding penna sta is an awful place to live--up in your loft it may be fine, but on the street doing local errands, and coming and going; it's awful---and it's anything but chelsea, flatiron, e/w village etc"

I agree. And 32nd and 5th is different than MSG, but not much better. I actually find herald square to be much of the problem, and empire stats some of the problem (not only the tourists, and the bus operators with the flyers, but the restaurants that cater to them), not just penn station. I also like hanging out in Koreatown, but the mornings smell AWFUL (had an ex who lived there... it is one of the worst vomited-on streets I've ever known).

And, to your original point, correct, none of the areas mentioned are anything like the W village, etc. I'd wonder if the op had been to those neighborhoods, but when I heard him call the park Madison Green, I stopped wondering.

hey bj, spare me the part in your longwinded psychodrama

32 and 5th, among the empire st bldg tourists and the attendant traffic, retail, bus hustlers, etc., is not a place i will live

have plenty of money, and no self hate, or hate of others who have

intelligent development, which considers the quality of the results for the residents of the neighborhood is a good thing--ill-conceived commerce zones that do the opposite, create a blight, render neighborhoods unlivable, and serve only to enrich powerful and their cronies (who wouldn't dream of living there before or after theyve blighted the area) are garbage

chilis fudruckers hooters are in fact shltholes--i wont eat there--and prefer to live in neighborhoods where there are restaurants in which i will be pleased to eat--i guess that's my little elitist thing

Wbottom, hey, I get you don't like what I wrote, but it ain't no psychodrama - they're fair and valid points unless you want to rebut them somehow. You're obviously comfortable bashing the neighborhood, but can't take a little back and forth? Good stuff!

"intelligent development, which considers the quality of the results for the residents of the neighborhood is a good thing--ill-conceived commerce zones that do the opposite, create a blight, render neighborhoods unlivable, and serve only to enrich powerful and their cronies (who wouldn't dream of living there before or after theyve blighted the area) are garbage"

So how is this going to be a blight? I really do want to hear an explanation on this, because I'm mostly getting lots of empty verbiage from the bashers here.

"chilis fudruckers hooters are in fact shltholes"

I don't particularly love them either, but fact is, this is exactly the kind of stuff that's there now. Those places cater to people who don't have the money (you know, the opposite of the "powerful and their cronies" that you seem to loathe) to eat in restaurants that you prefer to frequent. You seem completely convinced that that part won't change (or will get worse).

there you go with the psychodrama again
i seem to loathe your windy tripe

my rather concise explanation has already been delivered

Wbottom, what's with all the condescension? You've been on about it for weeks now.

Your "concise explanation" was that it's going to be a "nasty" neighborhood because it "will be invaded by and cater to people who do not live there" (just like many other neighborhoods around here). Not exactly convincing.

I haven’t visited the streeteasy site in almost a year, since I was one of the (what I consider) lucky people to have purchased at Forte when they did fire sale last Fall. I find it hilarious to see that things haven’t changed at all. I see some of the same naysayers such as SamAdams who infiltrated our forte blog with all his negativity about buying into our so-called cr*ppy investment. (BTW, joke’s on you – my mortgage will be paid off in 4 years whereas you’ll keep paying rent wondering when the bottom is here…newsflash – you missed it).

And then I see other Debbie Downers on here who either seem to hate Brooklyn or have been to it all of twice. So I’m very curious – why on earth do you waste your time and energy on blogs having to do with areas that you know nothing about and that you have nothing of concrete value to add to. You’re clearly entitled to your opinions, but I just am so puzzled as to why you choose to channel your energy into something that is obviously of zero significance to you. Cracks.me.up.

I personally think that the new tower and the expansion of the BAM district will bring good things to our area. As will the new Barclay’s Center. Will they be construction headaches in the foreseeable future? Yes. Will they bring up the value of our investment? Remains to be seen. Will it cause more traffic congestion? Probably. Can it revive the surrounding areas such as Flatbush between Fulton and 6th which are currently gross, so that they’re more aesthetically appealing? Absolutely.

We moved here from Toronto where we saw firsthand how the building of the Air Canada Centre (for NHL, NBA and concerts) did not have any negative impact on the residential area surrounding it and furthermore, opened up opportunities for further investment in the area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Centre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Square

I have to get going…must get home before tonight's gang invasion of the neighborhood starts LOL

Wbottom, well said.

For me, I've apparently just been told by a Canadian that I've never been to Brooklyn. My mom would be surprised, given I've lived most of my life there. But, hey, what does accuracy matter when someone has an agenda.

"You’re clearly entitled to your opinions, but I just am so puzzled as to why you choose to channel your energy into something that is obviously of zero significance to you."

What's the flip? Folks with a vested interest pretending to be objective and misleading folks?

If thats what you think streeteasy is supposed to be, then I'm really happy that you are disappointed. I'm glad that this is one of the places that folks pointed out the bubble... and were right about it of course.

And now the folks who missed it coming back to complain.

Priceless.

"What's the flip? Folks with a vested interest pretending to be objective and misleading folks?"

Hey, I agree with you on this, but it's been pretty evident that you also have an agenda and have never shied from posting misleading or just plain bad info.