Open letter to those who attack public service workers Public service workers are not the problem. Attacking public service workers will not create jobs. Attacking public service workers will not solve the problem of trying to save the vital public services that so many rely on. The only thing attacking public service workers does is divert attention from the real culprits of our country's... [more]
Open letter to those who attack public service workers
Public service workers are not the problem. Attacking public service workers will not create jobs. Attacking public service workers will not solve the problem of trying to save the vital public services that so many rely on.
The only thing attacking public service workers does is divert attention from the real culprits of our country's economic troubles and inequality: You, greedy Wall Street CEOs, politicians in Washington who turn a blind eye, and all right-wing talking heads who spin lies.
When you attack public employees you are attacking the very folks whose work you benefit from — from providing basic public safety, to fixing potholes in the roads you drive on, to making sure clean water runs from your tap.
No more. It's time to stop the lies.
http://www.afscme.org/stopthelies/
Of course, one little piece of info the Republicans keep forgetting is that Ronald Reagan was a UNION BOSS! I know, hard to believe, right?
[less]
Response by newaccount
over 15 years ago
Posts: 332
Member since: Jun 2008
Why this silly post, Socialist? Are you afraid?
Unions disturb the free market. We should be able to pay for services with what the services are worth. When unions act like thugs, the public needs to draw the line. We learned that from the Sanitation Department and the MTA. The teachers were getting away with bad behavior with rubber rooms. Private companies with unions like Verizon are not far behind.
Socialist, you're next!
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by racerdavenyc
over 15 years ago
Posts: 45
Member since: May 2009
Why do public service workers need unions? Like the rest of us, they can do a good job to keep a job and get a new one if they don't like how they are treated.
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by hol4
over 15 years ago
Posts: 710
Member since: Nov 2008
Wall Street CEO's = Democrats you dolt..
They're the ones who put Obama in place.. How do you think GS reaped HUUGEEE 2010 profits, making interest off the interest off TARP fund??
And that slap on the wrist of a joke 'financial bill?'
Mere PR for GS to make it seem like the Dems are actually doing anything..
powerful corporations and employers are often the thugs, thank you--esp in high unemployment situations such as we have now
the individual worker is relatively powerless in the face of organized employers--so they organize too--levels the playing field
the scapegoating of unions and public employees is a disgrace and a cheap manipulation
all are not perfect, but neither are all of the corporate exceutives and scumbag bankerswho make 20 and 30 times what our public employees earn, and who have profited their way to our current economic demise
and they aint coming for no socialist! you starve our middle class, and they comin for you!!
aint gon be no overpaid union cop or doorman to keep em out...
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by huntersburg
over 15 years ago
Posts: 11329
Member since: Nov 2010
Can we separate public service workers and public service unions and re-write the above plea? I doubt anyone is against the former. The latter is undemocratic because they can trade swing voting blocks for benefits.
Also, Reagan was a union boss, but that was a private union, and he knew where to draw the line. Federal public unions striking, choosing not to deliver the mail or direct air traffic was unacceptable.
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Socialist
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2261
Member since: Feb 2010
"and get a new one if they don't like how they are treated."
Yes, they can get new jobs... just like the 8 million unemployed Americans can get new jobs after being laid off by their private sector employers.
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Socialist
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2261
Member since: Feb 2010
"The latter is undemocratic because they can trade swing voting blocks for benefits."
Then I guess the US Chamber of Commerce is undemocratic too, right?
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Socialist
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2261
Member since: Feb 2010
Glenn Beck pulled off NYC radio for low ratngs. I guess most people don't buy into Beck's anti union rhetoric.
If Glenn Beck is done, and others in NYC have issues with public employee unions and excess public employee retirement benefits, then what is your argument?
In what way are you attempting to compare to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to the public employee unions?
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by 007
over 15 years ago
Posts: 195
Member since: Nov 2008
Union exploits the individual workers through fear and intimidation. Individual workers who do not want to belong are unable to withdraw from the close shop. Union try to maximize the benefits to their members regardless of the economic conditions since that is the reason for their existence. At present, all the obligations for the benefits are paid by the tax payers. The snow storm was the latest. There is a reason that Albany has a shortfall of 10 billions and it is all related to salaries and obligations. Of course State money was invested in Wall Street (and lost). How else was the State supposed to cover it's hugh obligations for the extortion by the union? Lets repeat this discussion in the next 12-24 months and we sassess the damage caused by unions.
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Wbottom
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2142
Member since: May 2010
your logic is so moronic--it was the union's fault that scum like rattner bribe their way to manage our states pension coffers--and the unions created the housing bubble that cratered our economy, causing all asset values to plummet--scary you believe your own shit
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Wbottom
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2142
Member since: May 2010
your "i'm sick of the working class ripping us off" is very tired---like i said, kill our middle class, turn our economy, even more than has happened in the last two decades, into a 2-class society, and we will have big regrets
we used to have pride in our working, middle class...now we just want to wring it of any wealth can can get from it
and the scapegoating on fox, and here, from you, is a disgrace
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by LICComment
over 15 years ago
Posts: 3610
Member since: Dec 2007
No one is against public service workers. We justly criticize public employee unions, the excessive taxpayer-funded pensions, and their manipulation of the political system at taxpayer expense.
socialist likes to argue for taking other people's money at all costs.
Government has been as big a factor in the high unemployment as anything else.
Ignored comment.
Unhide
Response by Wbottom
over 15 years ago
Posts: 2142
Member since: May 2010
gotcha--it's a conspiracy between the government, the unions, and the working class
thay all just want to take your money!!!
im so pleased, that once the subsidized housing is built, you'll be living as neighbor, among "them" in scenic LIC
Why this silly post, Socialist? Are you afraid?
Unions disturb the free market. We should be able to pay for services with what the services are worth. When unions act like thugs, the public needs to draw the line. We learned that from the Sanitation Department and the MTA. The teachers were getting away with bad behavior with rubber rooms. Private companies with unions like Verizon are not far behind.
Socialist, you're next!
Why do public service workers need unions? Like the rest of us, they can do a good job to keep a job and get a new one if they don't like how they are treated.
Wall Street CEO's = Democrats you dolt..
They're the ones who put Obama in place.. How do you think GS reaped HUUGEEE 2010 profits, making interest off the interest off TARP fund??
And that slap on the wrist of a joke 'financial bill?'
Mere PR for GS to make it seem like the Dems are actually doing anything..
Goldman %u2018Should Win Big%u2019 Under New Regulations
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/goldman-should-win-big-under-new-reform-law/
powerful corporations and employers are often the thugs, thank you--esp in high unemployment situations such as we have now
the individual worker is relatively powerless in the face of organized employers--so they organize too--levels the playing field
the scapegoating of unions and public employees is a disgrace and a cheap manipulation
all are not perfect, but neither are all of the corporate exceutives and scumbag bankerswho make 20 and 30 times what our public employees earn, and who have profited their way to our current economic demise
and they aint coming for no socialist! you starve our middle class, and they comin for you!!
aint gon be no overpaid union cop or doorman to keep em out...
Can we separate public service workers and public service unions and re-write the above plea? I doubt anyone is against the former. The latter is undemocratic because they can trade swing voting blocks for benefits.
Also, Reagan was a union boss, but that was a private union, and he knew where to draw the line. Federal public unions striking, choosing not to deliver the mail or direct air traffic was unacceptable.
"and get a new one if they don't like how they are treated."
Yes, they can get new jobs... just like the 8 million unemployed Americans can get new jobs after being laid off by their private sector employers.
"The latter is undemocratic because they can trade swing voting blocks for benefits."
Then I guess the US Chamber of Commerce is undemocratic too, right?
Glenn Beck pulled off NYC radio for low ratngs. I guess most people don't buy into Beck's anti union rhetoric.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/01/04/2011-01-04_glenn_beck_dropped_by_new_yorks_wor_radio_station_over_poor_ratings_replaced_by_.html
If Glenn Beck is done, and others in NYC have issues with public employee unions and excess public employee retirement benefits, then what is your argument?
In what way are you attempting to compare to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to the public employee unions?
Union exploits the individual workers through fear and intimidation. Individual workers who do not want to belong are unable to withdraw from the close shop. Union try to maximize the benefits to their members regardless of the economic conditions since that is the reason for their existence. At present, all the obligations for the benefits are paid by the tax payers. The snow storm was the latest. There is a reason that Albany has a shortfall of 10 billions and it is all related to salaries and obligations. Of course State money was invested in Wall Street (and lost). How else was the State supposed to cover it's hugh obligations for the extortion by the union? Lets repeat this discussion in the next 12-24 months and we sassess the damage caused by unions.
your logic is so moronic--it was the union's fault that scum like rattner bribe their way to manage our states pension coffers--and the unions created the housing bubble that cratered our economy, causing all asset values to plummet--scary you believe your own shit
your "i'm sick of the working class ripping us off" is very tired---like i said, kill our middle class, turn our economy, even more than has happened in the last two decades, into a 2-class society, and we will have big regrets
we used to have pride in our working, middle class...now we just want to wring it of any wealth can can get from it
and the scapegoating on fox, and here, from you, is a disgrace
No one is against public service workers. We justly criticize public employee unions, the excessive taxpayer-funded pensions, and their manipulation of the political system at taxpayer expense.
socialist likes to argue for taking other people's money at all costs.
Government has been as big a factor in the high unemployment as anything else.
gotcha--it's a conspiracy between the government, the unions, and the working class
thay all just want to take your money!!!
im so pleased, that once the subsidized housing is built, you'll be living as neighbor, among "them" in scenic LIC