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Sale at 473 WEA #4C: Déjà vu, with a $925K markup.

Started by West81st
almost 15 years ago
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Discussion about 473 West End Avenue #4C
Elliman's new $2.5MM listing highlights the kitchen of this low-floor six-into-five: "HUGE EAT-IN KITCHEN/DEN COMBO. NEWLY RENOVATED.... "MAGAZINE COVER" DESIGNER LIVE-IN KITCHEN AND DEN: Windows overlooking gardens, built-in office, desk and bookshelves. Hidden washer/dryer. Custom opaque glass-front cabinets just refinished. Subzero fridge, Thermador Grill-top, disposal." It's a nice kitchen, as... [more]
Response by Wbottom
almost 15 years ago
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hey--the herb is quite powerful these days--

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Response by ab_11218
almost 15 years ago
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this is a seller's market, don't you know. we are back to drinking bubbly for breakfast and smoking the hydroponics for CA.

don't wait, jump on this unit today or the price will be increased by another $500K.

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Response by maly
almost 15 years ago
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Once fully decoded from brokerspeak into English, it sounds like they repainted the hallways and renovated at least one bathroom. For a cool million.

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Response by w67thstreet
almost 15 years ago
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$925K paint job... nice.

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Response by happyrenter
almost 15 years ago
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i saw that apartment the first time around--didn't love it then, don't love it now.

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Response by falcogold1
almost 15 years ago
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Don't be so fast to judge.
The Reno was completed by the crack contractor team of Spitzer & Sheen.
Those walls...painted by high end coked up escorts.
Have you any idea how much turpentine you need for that clean up?

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Response by West81st
almost 15 years ago
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happyrenter: Agreed. The one that caught my eye back then was #11C - a much better value at $1.67MM

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Response by West81st
almost 15 years ago
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The listing has been amended. The new text seems less specific, but no less misleading:

"New on the Market! PRE-WAR CLASSIC 6. TRIPLE MINT CONDITION. HUGE EAT-IN KITCHEN/DEN COMBO. Newly renovated home maintaining all the exquisite original detailing i.e. hardwood bordered parquet floors, crown, base and chair moldings and high ceilings. Spacious entry foyer opens to large formal dinning room and elegantly proportioned living room. The two generous bedrooms have updated en-suite baths. It is an end unit with north, south and west exposures, 6' double-hung soundproof windows and garden views. The large kitchen/den features custom crafted cabinets, sub-zero refrigerator, thermador grill-top, disposal, washer/dryer and wine cooler plus windows galore. Cover feature in a decorator magazine 'Designer Live-In Kitchen and Den' it really is a wonderful home."

A comparison to the 2008-2009 listing supports Maly's conclusion: "Newly renovated" in this case means "Renovated at some point by the previous owner."

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Response by aboutready
almost 15 years ago
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that seems to be very common these days.

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Response by West81st
over 14 years ago
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ab_11218's post three months ago was eerily prophetic:
"Don't wait, jump on this unit today or the price will be increased by another $500K."

And sure enough...
05/11/2011 Price increased by 20% to $2,750,000.

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Response by bramstar
over 14 years ago
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Now that's just dumb.

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Response by ab_11218
over 14 years ago
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damn, i am smoking the good stuff now seeing this kind of stupidity.

what happened? did they paint 1 wall that the people didn't like for 3 months and added 1/4 Mil in value?

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Response by maly
over 14 years ago
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The owners clearly should hold on to their fast-appreciating property.

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Response by UWSFamily
over 14 years ago
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Member since: Apr 2010

Gotta love entertaining in your ~$3 million apartment and having to sheepishly point your guests to the bathroom through one of the bedrooms.

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Response by Bill7284
over 14 years ago
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UWSFamily: You beat me to it!

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Response by w67thstreet
over 14 years ago
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"Building Wealth Through Renting
By DAVID LEONHARDT

I replied:

Yes, building equity is a good thing. But the advantages of it are exaggerated.

For one thing, how do you know you’ll be building equity, as opposed to making an investment that will lose money? People who bought in Florida, Las Vegas, Phoenix and much of inland California in 2006 thought they would be building equity. I interviewed some of them. But they did not. In many cases, they lost all of their equity. There is definitely some downside risk in the New York market today.

Second, by buying a house, you’re making a decision to tie up your capital in a specific sector — real estate. It’s entirely possible that the money you spent on a down payment would have earned more money in the stock market, for instance.

Finally, buying also involves throwing thousands of dollars down a hole: in mortgage fees and interest, in property taxes, in repairs and renovations, in tens of thousands of dollars of closing costs. Renting doesn’t involve the huge up-front costs that buying does. Owning also involves some continuing costs (e.g. repairs) that renting does not.

Living somewhere is always going to involve costs, just as education, health care and food involve costs. Financially, the decision to buy is basically a decision that your investment will increase in value by an amount sufficient to make up for all the additional costs of buying. (Put it this way: you’d never buy an apartment if you were staying in a city for just a week, in an effort to build equity. You’d rent — a hotel room.)

Sometimes — often — the decision to buy works out. But it does not work out far more often than is commonly understood."

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Response by uptown3
over 14 years ago
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Member since: May 2011

Here is another one on the market a few months ago that didn't sell and now back on at 200k higher and well above previous sales.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/607736-condo-272-west-107th-street-manhattan-valley-new-york

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Response by huntersburg
over 14 years ago
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isnt David Leonhardt a proponent of reverting to the gold standard and raising gasoline taxes. How's that going to work out for us?

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Response by West81st
over 14 years ago
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Well, the price increase was fun while it lasted. It was either a setup for a dramatic price cut or - more likely - a typo.
05/11/2011 Price increased by 20% to $2,750,000.
05/13/2011 Price decreased by 17% to $2,275,000.

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