When is a bedroom not a bedroom?

You are reading them correctly, I see it as one bedroom with three home offices

A bedroom must have a window. But, it can't be on the lot line.

SunnyD
1 minute ago
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report abuse A bedroom must have a window. But, it can't be on the lot line.

true and really stupid if you think about it. of all the rooms that don't need natural light i'd vote for a bedroom.

Jim: Not stupid. The window/non lot line law has nothing to do with natural light concerns. It is to provide a second method of egress during a fire, so that if the living area is on fire, one can close off the door to their bedroom to buy time, and (hopefully) be rescued out the bedroom window.

In addition, a bedroom is not a bedroom in NYC according to law if it does not have a door that closes, and or walls that go all the way to the ceiling (see point above). Bedroom walls and doors legally must also be constructed in a manner congruent with fire laws for this reason (so those cheap 'false walls' that some people pop into junior 4's and such would not legally count as a bedroom).

Finally, a bedroom cannot have dimension that are less than eight feet on either side, and/or a ceiling lower than eight feet. So all those 'bedrooms' you see carved out of odd spaces and have dims like 6 x 13 feet or 7 x 11 feet or whatever do not officially count as bedrooms either.

matsonjones
about 17 hours ago Jim: Not stupid. The window/non lot line law has nothing to do with natural light concerns. It is to provide a second method of egress during a fire, so that if the living area is on fire, one can close off the door to their bedroom to buy time, and (hopefully) be rescued out the bedroom window.

In addition, a bedroom is not a bedroom in NYC according to law if it does not have a door that closes, and or walls that go all the way to the ceiling (see point above). Bedroom walls and doors legally must also be constructed in a manner congruent with fire laws for this reason (so those cheap 'false walls' that some people pop into junior 4's and such would not legally count as a bedroom).

Finally, a bedroom cannot have dimension that are less than eight feet on either side, and/or a ceiling lower than eight feet. So all those 'bedrooms' you see carved out of odd spaces and have dims like 6 x 13 feet or 7 x 11 feet or whatever do not officially count as bedrooms either.

Thank you for telling me what I already know. It's still stupid. I don't think egress during a fire is going to help from the 32nd floor of a highrise, window or not. I'd rather sleep well with no light or sound.

Jim: No, you're an idiot.

A 32nd story building would not have this requirement of window egress, as obviously no firetruck ladder reaches that high. Ergo, there will be a minimum of two alternative internal fire dept. approved modes of egress. In the case of a building that high, again, if you're absolutely trapped and cannot make it to the front door, the idea would be that you could buy some time by closing yourself off in the bedroom and vent the air if need be as a last resort (though dangerous, as the incoming oxygen would feed the fire). That why all bedrooms still require windows. The only case this does exist are sealed windows in high rises with fire dept. ratings of a specific nature that do require windows to open due to building structure compliance.

I'm sure all of us here at streeteasy would be pleased if you went to sleep in a room with no light or sound, and should a fire break out, that you never wake up, douchebag. Quit whining, get a f*cking black out shade, and shut up.

Jim, is real estate not your business?
I thought this was your chosen profession.
Da rules are da rules. That's why folks at he Hampton House (79th & 1st) got 'blacked out'.
Windows on the lot line.
Could you imagine going to a dentist who know as little about teeth as you know about re....scary!
That being said...I'm selling a 500 bedroom place called Cheyenne Mountain, great for sleeping late.
No windows and one big blast door...I think you might love it.

Hey, I KNOW the rules, just question them. You two fucking genius' can go on doing as the man says.

And we'll be happy when you burn to a crisp in your windowless bedroom, douche.

"When is a bedroom not a bedroom? "

when the love is gone

It's this kind of BS in NYC RE (and I don't mean Bachelor of Science) that infuriates me. Here we have the architect -- "AIA Award winning Bone/Levine Architecture, recipient of the Anthenaeum award for best American architecture" -- who certainly should know better, designing a fire-trap presumably for the buyer's three kiddies. Then it's listed as a 4-bedroom by Ms. Dugan, Senior Vice President of a very large NYC RE brokerage. From what I can see from various sources online, this unit is zoned as a commercial live/work for artists, but there is no mention of this in the listing. Has the zoning changed? Not according to the DOB website. As far as I can tell, this should be offered to the public as a live/work for artists with one bedroom and three studios.

Ever since the Bloomberg DOB began allowing architects to self-certify, we are seeing more and more illegal building and conversion throughout the City. I thought of this listing on Friday as I stood at the corner of Greene and Washington Sts in Manhattan, paying my respects to 146 young ladies and children who died 100 years ago in a building that has more windows than the building being hawked here as high-end living space. But hey, anything for a buck, isn't that right? And if it's passed off to the public by an award-wining architect and fabulously ethical real estate broker as safe and legal, then it must be safe and legal, right?

Well, we are going to find out because I just filed a complaint with DOB and asked to have an investigator take a look before this apartment changes hands. Tomorow I plan to stop by the NYS DOS office at lunch time and file a complaint there about the listing broker. Stay tuned.

Go General!

generalogoun, not sure the architect did design bedrooms for 3 kiddies. the basketball set up in the middle of the room, the pool table, the frozen designer living room clearly not conceived by a person who plays basketball indoors all scream bachelor pad. unless you go there and see some proof of children, i'm going with single guy with more money than god.

my money is on the other rooms being 1) massive video game set up 2) home office 3) s&m dungeon

When it's ajar?