update in a few sentences?

2 scenarios:

Steady prices: QE2 ends; economy continues at slow growth; global capital for investment becomes more scarce; interest rates rise a little ending the current era of cheap money; but Manhattan prices are insulated from this downward pricing pressure (as coop % down rules largely cushioned them from the upward pressure due to falling rates over the last 3 years); foreign buyers continue to buy; scarce inventory. So prices stay stable, maybe even rising slowly, but no great appreciation for 5+ years. i.e. a good time to buy given low rates, assuming you want to live in the property.

Oops: QE2 ends; economy stays stalled as consumers continue to deleverage (still a Very long way to go back to sustainable income / debt ratios); interest rates rise a little, but not that much. Deflationary pressures in Manhattan real estate build (despite foreign buyers) as the old / baby boomers in the coops start to sell and move out of town, cashing in their spectacular gains from the last 15 years. Prices fall slowly over the next 5-10 years, not reaching their 2006/7/8 peaks for 15+ years.

I'm no great economist, but which outcome do folks think is more likely...?

It doesn't feel like very much has occurred. Prices haven't moved much and with the expiration of tax credits volume feels slower. Manhattan doesn't have the huge underwater mortgage issue the rest of the country has. As to the future, rents are trending up which will provide some new support for housing prices. Next few years will be a yawn.

thanks for the input guys.

The real story: many still in denial.

Wall Street isn't looking too hot right now... and the current numbers (manhattan medians) aren't great. Some apartment sizes are are lower than they've been since before the runup.

These are the Q1 prices vs. peak...

Studios - 24.8% down from peak (this is trough)
1 Bed - 26.7% (this is trough)
2 Bed - 26.7% (28.8%)
3 Bed - 45.1% (48%)
4 Bed + 58.8% (67.3%)
Overall - 23.7% (this is trough)

I get that some want to think that 24% "doesn't feel like very much" but, hey, some people are going to think what they want to think regardless of numbers.

"As to the future, rents are trending up which will provide some new support for housing prices."

Completely backward... rents are trending up because folks are shying away from buying. Fewer buyers isn't support for housing prices, it is what kills them.

AND YET, despite somewherelse's "proof" there is a current thread about multiple over-ask bids on less than desirable properties throughout Brooklyn and Manhattan. And most are finding pricing near peak levels.

swe is correct that prices have dropped just over 20% overall in Manhattan. Those breakdowns by apt size are helpful as well, but only up to 2BRs. Larger sized units are really thrown out of whack by some outlier quarters ("peak" for 4BRs was $12m in Q1 08 - only one other quarter was in 8 digit land, with most hovering around $5-6m), so I wouldn't read into those numbers too religiously.

"Completely backward... rents are trending up because folks are shying away from buying. Fewer buyers isn't support for housing prices, it is what kills them."

People actually AREN'T shying away from buying. And they haven't since early 09. Sales volumes are fairly high, if anything. In fact, 2010 had higher volumes than any year on Miller Samuel record except the insanity of 2007 and is essentially on par with 2008. Don't think these are all smart purchases of course, but fact is people have been buying.

swe..is completely out of it and lost.

Rents are trending up because folks are shying away from buying. Fewer buyers isn't support for housing prices....

I agree wit this. Fewer buyers is never bullish. Rising rents is a symptom and speaks more to value than supply and demand, but it does suggest a turn. The point not discussed are buy to lets. Are investors coming in to buy and rent out? I've seen a few, but don't have hard data. In either case, Manhattan pulled back after the bubble, but hasn't done much up or down since.

I did notice that some new developments are cutting back discounts a bit(10% vs 15% at Extell)

Can swe show us a true 3 bedroom that is priced 45% below peak anywhere in Manhattan?

Volumes data for Manhattan (coops and condos):

2010 - 10,060
2009 - 7,430
2008 - 10,299
2007 - 13,430
2006 - 8,493
2005 - 7,780
2004 - 8,653
2003 - 8,488
2002 - 9,094
2001 - 7,858
2000 - 8,799

swe, how is this "fewer buyers"? For the curious, Q1 of this year is ahead of Q1 last year, as well as Q1 08.

but you don't know the difference between principal and interest.

If you really think so, troll. Really have to squint to read your gibberish, cc. Seldom worth it unfortunately.

troll?

I think the reflation of Wall Street, the tax credit and general free Federal spending benefitted NYC greatly. As a result, 2010 saw a rebound in volume from 2009, and a slight price increase. The first quarter of 2011 seems to have been quite strong as well, matching 2010 in volume and pricing. As Wall Street wobbles, and QE ends, who knows? It definitely seems like there are people who are ready to spend, but it doesn't have the mass hysteria of the bubble. I think the GOP will benefit if the economy tanks, and they have the power to be the fly in the ointment. What will stop them from stopping the party? All we need is a little default, a little panic, and we would experience a massive correction as the computers spook.

maly, I think that's an excellent summary. That the bubble hysteria is gone is a very good thing, though I do agree with some other posters that there is some "swept under the rug and immediately forgotten" mentality still out there.

cc, don't act so shocked. Sadly, you turned into what you profess to hate.

really?

you would compare me to hfscomm1/huntersburg?

>turned into

Turned into?

When was he not?

what do you think, bj?

StreetEasy treats you two the same. So, yeah.

but...what do you think?

are we the same?

Could be but I don't actually care. The gray clutter I could do without, but that's really it.

hmmn...you don't care?

what does that mean?

its remarkably simple.

am i as bad as hfscomm1/hunterburg?

In some ways you're worse. The "real troll" on occasion has a bit of a sense of humor. His MO is clear, even if I disagree with his tactics. But you (and correct me if I'm wrong) started out as a pretty decent poster with very readable insight before devolving into this obsessed, foul-mouthed troll. You've mirrored exactly what you profess to hate, except it doesn't even elicit the occasional chuckle. It's too bad.

so...all things being equal...you would rather have hfscomm1 than me.

thanks. enjoy.

I'm huntersburg.

Your scum cc. Realize it.

hb, who cares? really?

at this point you're just an asterisk for the few who choose to look.

or cc, who is trying to fight a good fight, but not all appreciate it.

Get me my paxil! Last time I didn't have paxil I was put into the mental institution to protect my newborn daughter.

bj---is that a funny comment?

This says that aboutready is a moderator at Brick Underground
http://www.brickunderground.com/member/aboutready

yet this says nothing has been posted in 8 weeks
http://www.brickunderground.com/member/aboutready/track

bj--now its funny?

Columbiacounty, does it hurt when you smile? What about when you pee?

bj---a chuckle for you?

so let me get this straight, columbiacounty has no qualms about constantly attacking bjw. But now he wants bjw's support?

cc, would rather have neither, to be honest. As for funny comments, I think you know what the words "on occasion" mean.

ar, I get that cc is Team AR, but it stopped being about the "good fight" long ago. I think even a casual observer would be able to tell the difference. He wasn't grayed out just because. I believe SE used the words "infantile slobber." Yikes.

bj---what do you think?

Didn't he just say what he tought?

i deserve this according to you, bj?

You deserve yourself columbiacounty.

bj---are you happy?

I find this amusing though, the predicted meltdown has just happened, and columbiacounty is snilveling for support from someone he has for so long despised and attacked.

bj---this is your vote?

Meltdown. Paxil Time. Aboutready, please refill columbiacounty's meds from your stash.

bj--this works for you?

Like I said, neither of you.

Columbiacounty Meltdown!

who started it? does that matter?

NO dignity left for columbiacounty. Most people at least want to keep AT LEAST their dignity. But columbiacounty, just lost his.

bj---what do you think?

Bye bye columbiacounty. Bye bye.

bj---is he finally leaving?

Streeteasy, please explain why columbiacounty is allowed to continue to post and why he hasn't been banned from ever posting.

Aboutready, how is cc "fighting the good fight"?

Bye bye columbiacounty.

We all know what happens to the elderly when their health fails, they have nothing to do the next day and no purpose anymore, and they've lost their dignity.

Bye bye columbiacounty.

By being foul, and erstwhile?

"who started it? does that matter?"

Honestly? No. This ain't 3rd grade. Most people don't have the time to follow your quarreling, so in the end it's all drivel-spew and clutter. I'm no saint in these regards either (obviously - I keep responding to you for whatever reason) but this is a whole 'nother level, as evidenced by the graying.

By claiming anyone who posts anything he doesn't like is someone called hfscomm?

>Aboutready, how is cc "fighting the good fight"?

I think she's judging from a white trash lense, like how she's acknowledged growing up.

Or maybe a "good fight" for aboutready is like committing to employment at Brick Underground, and promoting it like a proud peacock ... and then a few months later ... oops, too much work.

hi sniper, how is teaneck? did you ever buy that house or still renting it? find something else you like? we are renting a house in nj, my older daughter will start pre k in september out here. we aren't buying yet. my husband could not care less about our housing so it's up to me to make the right decision for us. i just see way to many for sale and FOR RENT signs in front of too many nice houses to jump in with full confidence. what are you doing?

hi sniper, how is teaneck? did you ever buy that house or still renting it? find something else you like? we are renting a house in nj, my older daughter will start pre k in september out here. we aren't buying yet. my husband could not care less about our housing so it's up to me to make the right decision for us. i just see way to many for sale and FOR RENT signs in front of too many nice houses to jump in with full confidence. what are you doing?

oops, sorry, pressed Reply twice on my different browsers. Sorry lucillebluth, different person. I'm going to go sell my chairs on ebay.

oh shut up

why is the cranky leprechaun bothering that nice brooklyn fella?

lockbox

kitty litter

lucille, how are your fake kids?

they didn't handle the 5 plagues they lived through today very well. was there hail in the city? we had hail. i really think we should just let the jews go, they can have this one. my younger daughter was really freaked out by the lottle rocks falling from the sky. understandable.

your daughter needs to toughen up. She'll meet horrible people like aboutready and columbiacounty in life. But seriously, I hope she doesn't meet Wbottom.

i'm not sure anything will prepare her for the likes of columbiacounty

With a mother like you....

What? With a mother like lucille, at least her mother wasn't committed to a mental institution like aboutready's daughter's mother was.

BTW, re: societal collapse, Niall Ferguson's new book on The West is pretty good.

columbiacounty
about 17 hours ago
who started it? does that matter?

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/11160
columbiacounty
about 2 years ago
nycmatt: is there anything that you are not an incompetent expert on?

SAVE Do you REALLY need a washing machine in apt if you have kids?
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about 2 years ago
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report abuse Do you REALLY need a washing machine in apt if you have kids, or is it good enough that there be washing machines in the basement? How hard/expensive is it to put in a washing machine in an apartment (assuming it is permissible with the board)? Thank you!

ab_11218
about 2 years ago
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report abuse I have 2 small kids and having to go down 2 or 3 times a week to do laundry is a huge inconvenience. If you want to do it only once a week, you'll end up having to drag 2 or 3 huge laundry bags down and taking every machine available for all of the tenants.

There are Malber and LG washer dryer combos that cost approx $1000 that will make your life much easier. They do not fit the king size blankets, but will wash most everything else. The drying time is significantly longer though. By having the machine at home, you can do a load every day without a problem. The plumbing gets attached to the kitchen sink and drain and should not cost too much to run. They also have sink Y attachments where no plumbing needs to be run at all.

karen23
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Finally a question on streeteasy that I am incredibly well qualified to answer!! We are a family of four with a ton of laundry. I have lived with a w/d as well as used a laundry room and my vote is go with the laundry room. When I relied on my own unit I was doing laundry day and night. With the laundry room, I wack out 12 loads once a week..total time 2 1/2 hours including folding. You probably need to invest a little more in clothes so you have a solid weeks supply,but I would never go back to a life revoling around the spin cycle.

ab_11218
about 2 years ago
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report abuse i agree that once a week is better, but you also have to consider how many machines your laundry room has. i've seen building with 3-4 machines and those were small top loaders. 12 big loads = 16 smaller ones. 4+ hrs and upset neighbors who cannot use the laundry room for 1/2 a day. with a huge building that has a huge laundry room, this would not be an issue. it sometimes is even worth it for the laundry guy to come over one day, pick up all the stuff and drop it off the next day all done :-).

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Are you kidding?

I'm single and I can't stand not having my own washer and dryer in my apartment.

We're stuck with just four washers and four dryers in the basement for a 50-unit building. Laundry day is a major chore just lugging it down into the basement, let alone running into a line of people waiting to use the facilities.

I'm still waiting for approval from the board to install my own Malber-style washer/dryer unit, for which I would swap out my existing dishwasher, but approval (if it comes) would be contingent only on the washer not draining directly into the drainage pipes; I would have to rip out the existing kitchen sink and replace it with a large enough "farmhouse" style sink that would act as a drainage tub from the washer. The reason why most older buildings prohibit laundry in the apartment is because the older, narrower drainage pipes can't accommodate the load from washers. Even these small, efficient, "low water" units create a problem, because it's not a matter of the volume of water being forced into the pipes during the spin cycle, but how quickly the water is being pushed out. All washers, regardless of size or water efficiency, push the water out at a rate of at least 14 gallons per minute during their spin cycles. Older pipes can generally accommodate water loads of up to only 5 to 7 gallons per minute (the rate at which gravity naturally drains the water, say, from a full bathtub). When water is forced out any faster than that, it creates a vacuum in the building pipes, backing the waste water up into other apartment units.

I estimate that the total cost -- if my plan is approved -- would be in the $7,000-$10,000 range: the washer/dryer unit itself, new custom-sized sink with built-in drainage pipe insert, cost of changing the plumbing, new sink cabinet console unit, and new countertop. And of course, the cost of labor.

Anyway. The point is, unless you have your own washer and dryer, doing laundry in this city is a royal pain in the a$$. (Oh yes, those dollar signs weren't just a joke -- I estimate that over the past 14 years of using coin-operated laundry, week after week, I could have bought at least EIGHT full-sized washer and dryer units.)

divvie
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Wow, very interesting reply from Karen. I never thought of it that way before.
We have had a w/d for years now and it was the single biggest quality of life improvement that we ever experienced :) Even before kids.

True we end up doing a load sometimes twice a day but that's because we'll throw some stuff in the dryer in the morning after the wash the prior night then our nanny will also do another load when the kids come back from school (I know this is so wasteful - I'll try to improve) but I never thought of myself being a slave to the cycle. I'm not disputing that description however. I can see your pov karen.

divvie
about 2 years ago
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report abuse BTW, when I was single and lived in a large apt building with a large laundry room, there were often evenings when I could not find a dryer and the occasional evening where all the washers were in use also.

Also the whole someone emptying your stuff out of the dryer when you were more than 2 minutes late to retrieve it was more than a little irritating.

kands10016
about 2 years ago
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report abuse I vote for having a washer and dryer in the apartment or at least on your floor. I lived in a rental where the laundry was in the basement but for us it was a maze to get there. Always had to bring my laundry card (and not forget it), laundry detergent + heap of laundry. Sometimes there was a line of people waiting to do laundry as well. We have one in our apt now and it is a blessing. We recently had a baby so it's much less headache. We also like using those thick Restoration HW towels that take forever to dry when you add it to other clothes (and I didn't want to pay an extra $2 just to dry them separately). I also like the fact that before it used to cost us between $10-$20 a week to do laundry, and now I don't have to think about it at all.

columbiacounty
about 2 years ago
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report abuse hey matt, since you're vice president, why don't you get more washers and dryers for the building. and, are you sure its 14 gallons per minute? is that true for every single washer made on the planet? you gotta be kidding?

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Columbia, in case you don't understand how corporations work, the Vice President of the board has only ONE vote. There are six other board members who are still deliberating.

And yes, I'm absolutely sure it's 14 gallons per minute. Yes, for every single washer on the planet -- since the laws of physics remain constant regardless of manufacturer or national border.

Do your homework. I've clearly done mine.

falcogold1
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Do You Need Air To Breath?
(washing machine question...please)

ab_11218
about 2 years ago
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report abuse 14 gallons per minute is not what Malber/Haier/LG is pushing. I've used both and the "under-the-counter" washer/dryers only use a few gallons of water. When pushing the water out. It does a slow drain. This is why the wash takes an additional 20 minutes. It drains the water slowly.

sticky
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Welcome to yet another reason I left Manhattan.

Last I checked, only 17 percent of condo/coops allow washer/dryers in individual units; for rentals that goes down to 5 percent:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/realestate/23cover.html?scp=2&sq=washer%20dryyer&st=cse

In NYC I lived in a 200 unit building with a large laundry room above the lobby. Better than the basement but would close at 11pm. It made laundry a pain.

I can't believe more residents aren't up in arms about this. Enough bullshit about old pipes. If the building's pipes are that old, put in new ones. Since moving to a modernized century-old building in Los Angeles, with stackable washer and ventless dryers in every unit, my life has been much more pleasant. I love doing laundry late at night in my underwear.

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Actually, it doesn't drain the water slowly. It might SOUND like a slow drain (as I doubt you've actually WATCHED your washer drain water into the drain), but at least for a minute, it's pushing more water than older pipes can handle.

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse "I can't believe more residents aren't up in arms about this. Enough bullshit about old pipes. If the building's pipes are that old, put in new ones"

Really.

You understand that pipes are INSIDE the walls, right? It's not like running new high-speed cable into apartments -- it would involve basically gutting every single apartment simultaneously.

kylewest
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Rather than do kids' laundry myself, I'd sell a child and use the money to pay the housekeeper to do the laundry. No kid is worth having to do all that washing. Please, people--focus! Quality of life matters.

divvie
about 2 years ago
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report abuse sticky, I must admit that when I first arrived in Manhattan from London in the early 90's, other than the fact that you can see inside the stalls in bathrooms in NYC, the biggest suprise to me was the lack of W/Ds in apartments. I hadn't used a coin op lanudry macine since the 70's so this was a huge shock.

alanhart
about 2 years ago
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report abuse NYCMatt, older drainpipes are wider than modern ones. Also, in apartment buildings, they're designed for multiple simultaneous users in the same line (tubs draining, toilets flushing. I've never heard of waste backing up in a pre-war building, and w/d are prevalent in those.

The reason buildings don't allow washers is partly contractual (laundry-room operators have no-compete clauses in their agreements) and partly cultural (the impulse is to say no, because that's the prevailing policy). In addition, the vibrations of w/d have the potential to annoy other tenants.

UWSfan
about 2 years ago
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report abuse LOL kylewest You sound like my husband!

alanhart
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Maybe he is, and he just did a major apartment renovation on the downlow.

ab_11218
about 2 years ago
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report abuse there's another point to consider. some people will buy the HUGE washers that can only be placed in a house's basement and put them in their one bedroom apartment on a high floor. then you will have major plumbing problems. the rules of no washer/dryer are created to prevent those situations as well the ones alanhart stated above.

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse "NYCMatt, older drainpipes are wider than modern ones. Also, in apartment buildings, they're designed for multiple simultaneous users in the same line (tubs draining, toilets flushing. I've never heard of waste backing up in a pre-war building, and w/d are prevalent in those.

The reason buildings don't allow washers is partly contractual (laundry-room operators have no-compete clauses in their agreements) and partly cultural (the impulse is to say no, because that's the prevailing policy). In addition, the vibrations of w/d have the potential to annoy other tenants."

alanhart, that is completely wrong. Older pipes are not wider, they are narrower. And yes, while they're designed for multiple users taking showers and flushing toilets, when they were installed pre-1945, they were not designed to also handle the load of automatic washing machines (which had yet to be invented).

And believe me ... as someone on the board of a prewar co-op (with friends all over the city who are also board members), there are no such "no-compete" clauses with coin-op companies -- and if there were, the contracts would be dissolved immediately, if only out of shameless self-interest. I don't know of a single fellow board member who wouldn't sell their own child to have their own washing machine in their apartment.

OTNYC
about 2 years ago
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report abuse We installed a w/d in our pre-war co-op. It is an LG combo unit - do yourself a favor and don't consider any others. The reviews on Malber are terrible and we had a Haier combo unit in our last place that was always breaking down. With kids, laundry is a frequent task. The lady who "knocks out" 12 loads in 2.5 hours must be superwoman. I know when I used to use a laundry room, it was a HUGE inconvenience for the reasons several others pointed out here.

The thing about having young kids is they have to go with you EVERYWHERE! You can't leave them alone for a minute, so going to a laundry room becomes exacerbated by having bags of laundry, detergent, coins, AND a screaming kid to drag around. Not fun, trust me. The combo units do take longer, but we put in a load before bed, and it is ready to be removed, folded and put away when we get up. There is no going back to the laundry room once you have experienced this freedom.

alanhart
about 2 years ago
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report abuse "In some cases, a building may have a direct monetary incentive to refuse permission: the vendors who run laundry rooms will often pay higher rent in a building that prohibits individual washer-dryers. The prohibition may even be written into the contract."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/realestate/23cover.html?pagewanted=print

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse "In some cases, a building may have a direct monetary incentive to refuse permission: the vendors who run laundry rooms will often pay higher rent in a building that prohibits individual washer-dryers. The prohibition may even be written into the contract."

My building has no such clause in its contract.

kands10016
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Can someone comment on the process to get this done? I live in a rental which does have it, but in the future will want to buy something and I am considering apartments that allow w/d but don't currently have it set up. How long does it take from when you begin to fill out the application to add it, to when you can actually start doing laundry in your apt. Thanks

alanhart
about 2 years ago
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report abuse kands10016, too many variables:
* how quickly and easily does your building approve things?
* are you trying to do wet over dry (e.g. in a closet)?
* will you need in-wall plumbing modifications?

The best bet, if you can manage it, is to replicate the installation of another tenant in your line -- one that the Board and management were happy with. And even hire the same plumber, or the building's/super's preferred plumber.

nyc10023
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Um, yes. Even if you have a housekeeper who does laundry, there will be random pukes and other bodily emissions that you want to IMMEDIATELY wash off bedding & clothing. If you don't have laundry facilities in your apt, it's not a big deal if your building has the right mix of demographics. In a previous apt, we had the laundry facilities all to ourselves because the bldg was full of single people and couples who sent their laundry out. It was better than having your own machine, because you had essentially 5x the capacity. It was also open 24/7.

kands10016
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Thanks alanhart. Basically I would use an area near an existing pipe, where modifications (if any) would be minimal. I guess my best bet if this is truly a dealbreaker for me is to find an apartment that already has this. I wasn't thinking of tampering with any walls or plumbing. I would hate to go through all the effort of finding a place only to find out that this could be a 6 month effort(headache)

nyc10023
about 2 years ago
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report abuse :) Guilty face. Don't blame the nannies! In our previous building, I will admit to stealing the cart (one of 3) for days at time, hogging the machines (though never on weekends)...

nyc10023
about 2 years ago
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report abuse In our old (combo) apt, we turned part of the old kitchen into washer/dryer. Perfect, IMO. Plumbing is there, venting is there (condenser-dryers suck!).

w67thstreet
about 2 years ago
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report abuse only if you want to be clean.....

I remember when my daughter didn't have a bowel movement for 1 week.... long story short... when it "happened" at nite and let's just say they don't make diapers big enough :) .... it was all hands on deck kind of morning.... my wife kept saying "thank god" for the W/D... and we had just moved from an apartment w/ washers on every floor to one in the apt.....

alanhart
about 2 years ago
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report abuse tmi!!!!

notadmin
about 2 years ago
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report abuse yes.

nyc10023
about 2 years ago
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report abuse And ... to gross you and KW out even more - if you have shared laundry facilities w/o kids - but there are kids in the bldg, think about what they're doing with their soiled stuff :)

w67thstreet
about 2 years ago
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report abuse while we are on topic.... when my son was 2 and I was in the tub w/ both kids... I was happily washing my daughter and turned around to see the "snickers" bar incident... it still makes me tear up in laughter when i think about it :)

Absolutely nothing to do w/ W/D :)

NYCMatt
about 2 years ago
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report abuse Here's MY laundry room gross-out story.

Last week I was waiting with four loads of wet laundry for one of the tenants to empty out the three *working* dryers he was using. When he arrived -- unkempt, disheveled, and frankly smelly -- he emptied out his laundry (much of which looked like garbage), and the smell was unbearable. His clothes coming out of the dryer smelled like ASS. No wait -- BURNING ass. The smell was so bad the super poked his head out of his apartment (adjacent to the laundry room) to see what was causing the smell. The dryers he left behind smelled like burning ass.

For the next two days I had four loads of laundry "air drying" all over the apartment.

columbiacounty
about 2 years ago
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report abuse nycmatt: is there anything that you are not an incompetent expert on? i live in a prewar building and have had a washer dryer since the day we moved in. and, i, for one, don't believe that you have any friends much less ones all over the city who are board members.

columbiacounty
about 2 years ago
... out the window with that too... right on matt's head.

Just a couple of many examples of attack various posters even hoping for injury to others, over 2 years ago.