In reponse to a Reason.tv reporter who contended that, as opposed to the environment faced by teachers in a tenure system, the lack of job security in acting functions as an incentive for hard work... So you think job insecurity is what makes me work hard? I want to be an actor. That’s not an incentive. That’s the thing. See, you take this MBA-style thinking, right? It’s the problem with ed policy... [more]
In reponse to a Reason.tv reporter who contended that, as opposed to the environment faced by teachers in a tenure system, the lack of job security in acting functions as an incentive for hard work...
So you think job insecurity is what makes me work hard? I want to be an actor. That’s not an incentive. That’s the thing. See, you take this MBA-style thinking, right? It’s the problem with ed policy right now, this intrinsically paternalistic view of problems that are much more complex than that. It’s like saying a teacher is going to get lazy when they have tenure. A teacher wants to teach. I mean, why else would you take a shitty salary and really long hours and do that job unless you really love to do it?
The interview got a little tense from there. After Damon's comments, the cameraman broke the invisible wall and chimed in: “Aren’t 10 percent of teachers bad, though? Ten percent of teachers are bad.”
When Damon's mom, a Boston-area teacher, asked where the cameraman got his numbers, he responded, "I don't know. Ten percent of people in any profession maybe should think of something else.
To which Damon struck back: “Maybe you’re a shitty cameraman.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/02/matt-damon-defends-teachers_n_916182.html[less]
Response by Wbottom
over 14 years ago
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love it--cant wait til the privateers get ahold of education---lootarama!!
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Response by ss400k
over 14 years ago
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i agree with matt..
.. teachers should be allowed to call their students N!GGER! AND still teach.. kids are too sensitive nowadays anyway..
I know many teachers. Hardly any chose the profession for some civic duty or personal gratification. They like the reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits.
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Response by bjw2103
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LICC, that's kind of ridiculous. Teachers do not work hours that are particularly reasonable compared to any other job. There's a lot of work to take home as a teacher. And I think the vast majority of people consider salary first and foremost as the most generous of benefits. Your claim is kind of preposterous given their salaries. Obviously, there are some crappy teachers, but I think Matt Damon has some very solid points in that interview.
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Response by hol4
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"Teachers do not work hours that are particularly reasonable compared to any other job"
what? summers off and out by 3? i wont lie i only have 3 teacher buddies, not a "ton", but they hardly ever bring homework home to grade.. how do i know? they usually hit me on grindr my 3, 3:30 on grindr of when i can come home and bang em.. hosting all night
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Response by LICComment
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bjw, do you know a lot of teachers? What I said is not ridiculous at all.
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Response by Socialist
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"They like the reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits."
And what is wrong with that? Why do people become lawyers and i-bankers? Because they like their sitting at a desk all day?
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Response by Wbottom
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i know many teachers of my children and those of my friends--they all bring serious amts of work home, and are at school well past 330pm most days--they are very bright, well-educated people who would easily make way more money in any other profession than teaching--they are teaching because it is their calling, and a noble calling it is
little you say LICDope is not ridiculous, as you spew soundbites scripted just for you by faux and co--such as your claim here that teachers choose their profession based on "reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits", ie that they are essentially lazy unambitious and selfish.
fits with your master script which places much of the blame for our economic troubles on government employees, working people and unions
but hey this disingenuousness is why karma gotcha--the sentence being your penny ante existence in LIC, soon to be among subsidized working people--let's call it "underwater in newtown"
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Response by ss400k
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"And what is wrong with that?"
dont think so much anything wrong with that.. it's just the amount of crying "poverty and overworked" is quite laughable within the unionized sector.
i think that's where most "middle of the road" types start looking at the union$$$ for what it's turned to as opposed to what it used to represent.
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LICC, I know a LOT of teachers. I nearly became one myself. Why didn't I? The pay was just too low to consider doing it for very long. I think this statement of yours was particularly egregious: "Hardly any chose the profession for some civic duty or personal gratification." What's personal gratification? People do choose careers based on impact and doing good. There is just very little incentive for all those but the most dedicated to follow that path. Teach for America is a great program in theory, but it's impossible to keep all the talent they recruit because people soon realize they can do much better for themselves elsewhere. So much turnover. You'd think those benefits you cite would have a little sway.
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Bottoms, I obviously agree with you on this issue, but the way you present your arguments and throw in more than a little ad-hominem and incoherent rambling does much to explain your tiny grey font.
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"People do choose careers based on impact and doing good."
huh? if that were so, why were there RECORD amounts of retirements across the board (teachers, superintendents, cops, firemen, etc) when there wasn't enough money in the budget to keep those 8% annualized promises on pensions on TOP OF COLA...
if they did it for the good, wouldn't teachers continue to teach 'for the love of it' instead of crying poverty, which is beyond laughable?
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retire, cash out now mentality.. keep higher pension based on last X years of salary now, before a cap may be implemented..
i actually have no problem with this mindset, it's just another form of capitalism disguised as 'social service,' but let's not be so naive to believe it's done for the 'love of teaching.'
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"if they did it for the good, wouldn't teachers continue to teach 'for the love of it' instead of crying poverty, which is beyond laughable?"
No one's claiming they're all saints here. In the end, the reality of paying your bills becomes an overwhelming factor. And so yes, the lack of money forces more than a few to look for something they might otherwise not prefer to do.
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oh damn, teacher on teacher fight.. popcorn..
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Response by dealboy
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$80k-$100k is paycheck to paycheck living for life.
God bless anyone who signs up for that from day 1.
love it--cant wait til the privateers get ahold of education---lootarama!!
i agree with matt..
.. teachers should be allowed to call their students N!GGER! AND still teach.. kids are too sensitive nowadays anyway..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqQTIQhn5A
Sounds more like a son defending his mom.
Baldie
Meanwhile, across the border in NY up in Orange County:
http://www.lohud.com/article/20110804/NEWS03/108040411/Gym-teacher-takes-plea-deal-resigns-records-case?odyssey=nav%7Chead
I know many teachers. Hardly any chose the profession for some civic duty or personal gratification. They like the reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits.
LICC, that's kind of ridiculous. Teachers do not work hours that are particularly reasonable compared to any other job. There's a lot of work to take home as a teacher. And I think the vast majority of people consider salary first and foremost as the most generous of benefits. Your claim is kind of preposterous given their salaries. Obviously, there are some crappy teachers, but I think Matt Damon has some very solid points in that interview.
"Teachers do not work hours that are particularly reasonable compared to any other job"
what? summers off and out by 3? i wont lie i only have 3 teacher buddies, not a "ton", but they hardly ever bring homework home to grade.. how do i know? they usually hit me on grindr my 3, 3:30 on grindr of when i can come home and bang em.. hosting all night
bjw, do you know a lot of teachers? What I said is not ridiculous at all.
"They like the reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits."
And what is wrong with that? Why do people become lawyers and i-bankers? Because they like their sitting at a desk all day?
i know many teachers of my children and those of my friends--they all bring serious amts of work home, and are at school well past 330pm most days--they are very bright, well-educated people who would easily make way more money in any other profession than teaching--they are teaching because it is their calling, and a noble calling it is
little you say LICDope is not ridiculous, as you spew soundbites scripted just for you by faux and co--such as your claim here that teachers choose their profession based on "reasonable hours, time off, job security, and generous benefits", ie that they are essentially lazy unambitious and selfish.
fits with your master script which places much of the blame for our economic troubles on government employees, working people and unions
but hey this disingenuousness is why karma gotcha--the sentence being your penny ante existence in LIC, soon to be among subsidized working people--let's call it "underwater in newtown"
"And what is wrong with that?"
dont think so much anything wrong with that.. it's just the amount of crying "poverty and overworked" is quite laughable within the unionized sector.
i think that's where most "middle of the road" types start looking at the union$$$ for what it's turned to as opposed to what it used to represent.
LICC, I know a LOT of teachers. I nearly became one myself. Why didn't I? The pay was just too low to consider doing it for very long. I think this statement of yours was particularly egregious: "Hardly any chose the profession for some civic duty or personal gratification." What's personal gratification? People do choose careers based on impact and doing good. There is just very little incentive for all those but the most dedicated to follow that path. Teach for America is a great program in theory, but it's impossible to keep all the talent they recruit because people soon realize they can do much better for themselves elsewhere. So much turnover. You'd think those benefits you cite would have a little sway.
Bottoms, I obviously agree with you on this issue, but the way you present your arguments and throw in more than a little ad-hominem and incoherent rambling does much to explain your tiny grey font.
"People do choose careers based on impact and doing good."
huh? if that were so, why were there RECORD amounts of retirements across the board (teachers, superintendents, cops, firemen, etc) when there wasn't enough money in the budget to keep those 8% annualized promises on pensions on TOP OF COLA...
if they did it for the good, wouldn't teachers continue to teach 'for the love of it' instead of crying poverty, which is beyond laughable?
retire, cash out now mentality.. keep higher pension based on last X years of salary now, before a cap may be implemented..
i actually have no problem with this mindset, it's just another form of capitalism disguised as 'social service,' but let's not be so naive to believe it's done for the 'love of teaching.'
"if they did it for the good, wouldn't teachers continue to teach 'for the love of it' instead of crying poverty, which is beyond laughable?"
No one's claiming they're all saints here. In the end, the reality of paying your bills becomes an overwhelming factor. And so yes, the lack of money forces more than a few to look for something they might otherwise not prefer to do.
oh damn, teacher on teacher fight.. popcorn..
$80k-$100k is paycheck to paycheck living for life.
God bless anyone who signs up for that from day 1.