133 West 22nd

Yes i have the same question? did anyone buy there?

i was there today - they have about 10 left. but the 10 they had left i had no interest in. basically the ones on the web page are the ones left and they range between 1400 and up per sqr ft. i know the sponsor is magnum management are involved in the building, I believe they are related in some way to yves and abuilding. they seem to be moving quite quick on the building.

If it's Magnum Management, be afraid. Read the punchlist period posts on the A Building thread here. I have friends in two of their rental properties, and they are as bad as it gets.

what do you mean they are as bad as it gets? which article Should I read?

Read the A Building thread here, particularly the bottom of p2 when people start seeing the condition of their apartments. Here's a sample:

"problems? lol. how about a FOUR-DAY walk thru and a FIVE-PAGE punchlist! all doors chipped and marred, majority of floor scratched and not white..but rather a lovely shade of "mixed a blue shirt with a white shirt in the laundry" blue, uneven floors, 2 PTAC units not working, bathrooms that r full of grout on the walls, horrible tiling, tiling which btw, does NOT even match that on the website (marble and shiny. mine..dull and scratched!), all but one pocket-door not sliding, 2nd bath with a swap of the vanity shown on website (ugly and scratched as well), entire apt needs to be re-painted, even the damn t.p holder is falling off the wall. Too many items to mention. Oh, and yeah, put electrical outlets an inch from the overhead cabinets so you can have a plug and cord running the length of the mirrored back-splash. real smart design. Anyway, i really hesitated to write this because i didnt want to "rain on anyones parade" who DID move in and who r happy with their place. I just had to "vent". Sorry to all who r happy. To those who aren't, feel free to let me know. Can u say "class action"? lol"

Then Google Ben Shaoul.

Check out http://www.observer.com/2008/boy-developer-ben-shaoul-wants-live-forever and read the comment at the bottom, from an A Building owner. In part:

"We have so many suits in this building after only 2 months occupancy, due to unlivable unit conditions from massive plumbing leaks, broken appliances, deplorable workmanship, including all our floors buckling, major substitutions of high end finishes, and major shortage of square footage."

Thank you so mcuh tenementalfor your info. So you think this building will not be an expception? Is it exactly the same people that are involved in this building? and why you think it sold so fast?
does anyone has any positive feed back on this particular building or its location?

Friends in Magnum rental buildings have told me nightmares about the management, and I live in the East Village so I was curious about the A Building, which sold pre-construction when the market was still very hot. I don't know anything specific about the Chelsea building or about the development partners.

hard to find any feature of a new development less attractive than low ceiling heights. This, Yves, etc.

tenemental is right - magnum are pretty aggressive. their reputation is not that good. they actually kicked my girlfriend out of her building that is why i know about them.

have a look at the Abuilding for comparison. yves i believe has a few units left but a higher price range. location for 133 is pretty good, 22 is a nice street. but there are a few options in the same street, where 133 is probably the most per sqr foot.

you have to look at Abuilding as an example. i looked a the building to buy and then also was recently there looking how things turned out. places looked a lot smaller in real life relative to what i expected. i feel they maby let people move in a little early thats why they had the problems described above - there might've been a rush toward the end of construction. i believe a lot of these problems have been fixed but pretty crap when you have borken cabinets of applicances that down work.

equally the w/d that you could install cost about 3 grand and that was basically one of two options available. these small annoyances add up. i have to admit i would've been pretty pissed if i had moved into abuilding, and i am glad i did not buy there.

saying that i do quite like the location of both yves and 133w22.

So noone would buy in this place for 1380 per square ft?
Also mattthecat, how do you know about its ceiling hights? In the architectural plans, it says that the ceilings will be 9.4 in Br and Lr and 8.4 in Bath and Kitchen....
How were the prices in the other development in the street?

Walk by the development and take a look.

I did but I cant tell whther the ceilings are low or not...
Do you know anyone who bought there?

Why buy before it is built?

In this economic environment, you run the most risk of a developer cutting corners.

well its practically sold out....you buy with the prices of this year something that is going to be worth more next year...this is why people buy inpre contruction regardless of the risks...

buy next year one of the condos sitting on the market for resale

Much happier with the Oculus and Indigo than this.

Also across the street is Clement Clarke

Why verain? I didnt like Indigo...no light small rooms and no amnities...
Clement Clarke is sold out...

Clement isn't sold out
Why pay for ammenities in Indigo when you are in Chelsea and there's all the outside ammenities around that you could need.

I was really not impressed with Indigo and Clement has higher prices...Really i think 133 is a good deal for the area...
Verain why don't you agree?

i read all the comments on this post. I dont understand why people on this thread have reservations on the really well built. Even, if the developer had a difficulty closing on a building it doesnt mean that it will be the case on this one.

The finishings and the touches look amazing. I really feel that this building will be a success due to its location.

Developer reputation is everything when you are buying pre-construction.

This building will be nicer than anything comparable in this neighborhood simply because it actually has some architectural style. Cetra/Ruddy are responsible, they are also doing One Madison Park, the giant tower going up on 23rd St. Cantor Pecorella is doing the marketing. I got in last July when about 40% of the units had been sold. The A Building has been a mess but I dont expect the same here. The only thing I worry about is delivery time, I was told last summer it should be ready by this September. Then a month ago I was told January of next year....why do I get the feeling it will keep going and going and going...

Hi Sizzlack.
I am so happy about your comment. we bought in the building when it was 90% sold. It is the first time we buy real estate property in NYC. After seeing so many buildings all over the city, this one seemed to have a really good combinations of things we are looking for. Its location, architecture, finishings, light...
I dont care so much about delivery time, I would rather not have them rush to finish it....It seems from what i have been reading that most Pre- construction are late in closings.
Sizzlack,, what were you looking for when you bought in this building?

I was looking at a 1BR, wound up with a J line apt. The finishes were a big thing for me, I'm a big fan of the lava stone. What sold me though was the fact that I could see the top of the Empire State Building from my unit, and it also has a 60 sq foot balcony (along with the floor to ceiling glass and 9+ ft ceilings). But between the on site parking, the pool, the rooftop, and the fact that 22nd street is a very pleasant street all makes it well worth it to me. Should be interesting when the Clement Clarke and Verde Chelsea are complete and occupied, its going to totally change the vibe that the street has now to a much more residential feeling. I am on 22nd st literally everyday so I am constantly checking up on the progress. It looks like they are starting to put in the weather stripping for the windows in the front...which is progress...wooo!

We looked at 2br. Ours will be facing north...What is your unit facing...I think we are on high floor...but I am not counting on the view as much as I am counting on the light...
I passed by yesterday to see the progress. I am really excited. I am worried though that the 9'4 ceilings that are indicated on the architectural plan will not end up being as high. The offering plan did not mention the height....They showed us the arcitectural plan...what do you think?

I am pretty confident the ceilings are going to come in at 9'4". My unit faces North also, and if you are familiar with the site, there are two buildings behind 133. The one on the left side is at least 12 stories if not more, so the units on the left side of the building are going to be facing that. On the right side there is an 8 story condo, so if you are on the right side and are above the 8th floor you will have some sort of view. My unit is in the corner next to the studio line, its really the only part of the building that faces North that will be able to see the Empire State Building. The light should be good enough. Next time you go by notice how tall the ground floor looks. That's one of the reasons I am confident the floors will come in at 9'4".

You are right actually. I am familiar with the site but its hard to tell...I will be kind of in the Middle on the 8th...so i don't know...I hope you are right for the ceilings...
Do you know how many units are left? is it only the penthouses? do you know anyone else who bought there?

They just recently removed a few more listings from the website so I assume that whatever is listed currently is what is actually left. I don't know anyone else who has a contract out. I know one of the penthouses has a contract out, but the other two seem to still be available. I'm sure we'll all get to know each other when we move in...hopefully later this year and not next.

They just told me they have 8 units available and 1 currently in contract.

myss79, i was there a few days back and the two PH were available, one 2 bed (2b), one or two 1 beds and the 3 and four beds you see on the web page. other than that there is nothing left. i was thinking about this building but too late to the show and there is nothing i liked left. agree with you both, nice building and hope it works out.

Thanks, i got it for $1357 per sf. Do you guys think that was a good deal? Sizzlack how much did you get it for if you dont mind me asking?

Sorry to bombard this thread by comments and questions, but this is all new to me and the process it kind of stressful sometimes.

Thanks

I am paying about $1300 sq/ft. The 1BR I have a contract out on is 640 sq/ft plus a 60sq/ft balcony.

They are starting to put the windows on finally, and they got a huge delivery of sheet rock this morning. Good to see it's moving along.

That's great! I am so anxious. Sizzlak were you able to secure storage? I called today to be added on the waiting list and they said they are sold out.

Yea I was able to get myself a storage unit, most likely because I was in before they even opened a sales office. Given that I'm only going to have two and a half closets (and 2 bicycles) I sure do need it. I find it interesting that I think Ive only seen maybe 2 or 3 ads for the building in the Times RE section while places like the Clement Clarke across the street have had ads running weekly. I assume its a good thing.

$1357 sq/ft .. that's insane. What is so special about this new construction?

Manhattanguy, 1357 sq/ft is pretty average for the area and for the building amenities. Plus the CC are low and there is a tax abatement.
So I don't see whats insane about it...

Well, given that I am insane, it only makes sense that I would spend an insane amount of money for an insane new construction project where they are charging an insane price/sq ft. WOOO INSANITY RULES!

In all seriousness, all I have to say to Manhattanguy is that if it is too insane for you...dont buy an apartment there. To each his own.

If you look at other 2 bedrooms in new constructions in Chelsea, like Prima, it is 1370 per sq foot and Chelsea stratus is 1493

Chelsea Stratus is ridiculous. I inquired about a 1BR there last summer and they told me one of the 800sq ft 1BRs on the 9th floor was like 1.1 million. That building is at least thirty stories, so if a 1BR on 9 is 1.1, how much is a 1BR on 20?

The ones I saw in the area were Loft 25 (were the location was problematic), Onyx, Modern, and Indigo...
133 West 22 was the best fit for me...Modern was nice but I hated the look of the buildin from the outside...
Sizzlack it's really nice for me to see your enthusiasm about the building. It is reassuring really!

Haha. Well I am looking forward to being able to read out by the pool on a nice sunny day, BBQ with some friends on the roof, and go to sleep looking at the Empire State Building from my bed. All the while being within walking distance to every major subway line, Madison Square and Union Square Parks, and a host of other institutions and services. We should have a building party when it's all finished and we're moved in.

myss79, have to agree with you, of the ones you looked at, loft 25 - wow what a disaster.
onyx - location could not be worse. the other comparable i looked at were 650 6th ave which has lovely tax treatment for the same price as other abated buildings - use some logic - why they are closing nex month with only a few apts sold. yves which is basically an over priced apt that should really be somewhere else besides the block on 6th ave - too many amenities and stuff i dont need which i will pay for over time - sometime i like to leave the building. 100 18th, again another building which seemed to spark for two minutes before realizing it was crap, i loved the way they did their own marketing. stratus is another story, here is investment lack of potential. i like the location of stratus, the only problem is it looks exactly like the 6 buildings that surround it. prices were cheaper than anything similar but there was a reason for that plus i dont play basketball. stratus i figured would fall in value on closing. i did look at a few others like chelsea house, indigo, verde, etc. in all honesty i like 133 the most. but i dont know if i could swallow 1400 a square foot in this market ( by market i mean financial markets ).

Lupus1 you are also looking for a 2 br? What about the one on the second floor, facing South, it goes around 1300....
It is hard, the market is hot in Chelsea and the the building offers nice finishings and amenities... the prices climbs...

Haha. Well I am looking forward to being able to ... go to sleep looking at the Empire State Building from my bed.

I've looked at the Empire State Building since 1999 ... it ain't no big deal.

looked at the one on the 2nd floor, but could not convince myself. it was 2b. would prefer to be higher. live and learn.

Having a view of the Empire State Building is no big deal you are absolutely correct. But I currently have no view, the only thing I see are people in offices across the street. Anything short of a brick wall is better than that, and if I'm able to have an apt with some sort of legitimate view, well...I'll have an apartment with a view.

And for the record I agree that 13-1400/sq ft is a lot for a new development condo if it has nothing special about the apartment itself. When I went to look at Jade for instance, they showed me a 1BR that had a brick wall about 8 feet from the windows. It was dark and dreary and the brick wall was not very pleasant to look at, especially when your Juliet balcony faces it. I, for one, am willing to pay a little more if the apartment I am buying has something (anything) that makes it more unique than the apartments that dont. There are only a handful of apartments in 133W22 that face north AND have a view of something other than the condo directly behind the building, and thankfully I got one of them. On top of that it has a 60 sq/ft balcony, which may be blah to some people but to me, if I can sit out on my balcony above the swimming pool on a sunny day looking at the tallest building in NYC, well that makes me happy.

Sizzlack which floor will you be at? I will be st the 8th facing North, do you think my view will be decent?

Im on the 9th. The 8th floor is just about level with the white condo that sits right in the middle of the back of 133. If you are towards the east end to middle of the building you should have some sort of view. If you are on the western side of the building you wont clear the red brick building that sits behind the building on the western end of the plot. The white condo that sits in the middle of the rear of the building itself is set back on its plot, so there is quite a bit of space between the rear of 133 and the back of that building, giving plenty of room for light and air.
In other news, they have gotten two giant loads of sheet rock the last two mornings, and the apartments on the first couple of floors are all framed up and just waiting to have the sheet rock attached...so thinks seem to be progressing very quickly now that the weather has turned nice...windows up thru the 4th floor at the moment too...

pardon me.... should be "things seem to be progressing"

I saw earlier in the chain that projeted closing was Jan. I got in this Feb and the sales office said the buidling was "closing is the fall, but realistically December". I did notice the windows going in, so that is a good sign...just wondering what the source of the January close was. Also, does anyone know the line layout (i am i the H line...is that east or west)? Thanks.

I got in last July and was told the building was to be finished this coming September. The last time I was in the sales office (maybe two months ago) they said end of the year, beginning of next year. Hopefully they will get their certificate of occupancy sooner than later...
I myself am in the J line, which is as east as you can get without being the end of the building (which is the studio, I think A line).
tfly, do you face the front or the rear of the building?

Facing north (toward 23rd st)...so if J is the easternmost line, the H line should be fairly east it sounds like.

I suppose technically A is the easternmost, the door would be at the end of the hall (literally pointing east) whereas the door to J points north. If you are H you are probably the apartment one over from the J line on the other side of the elevator bank. Do you have a balcony?

Right, I reread you post and realized that A would be the furtherest east. Looking at the buildings on 23rd, I just wanted to be more east rather than west. No balcony...I figure the roofdeck will be my balcony...lol.

Im just trying to remember the layout...I want to say I think the G line was the first apt next to J on the other side of the elevator bank, but that wouldn't make sense...so I think u must be on the other side. Is it a 1 or 2 BR?

The reason I asked about the balcony was I remember seeing floorplans that seemed to suggest that the apartment on the other side of the elevator bank did have one...but they have made numerous amendments to the plan, such as eliminating the balcony that was supposed to be above me...

i am in a 1 bedroom...you have to love them taking away the balcony above you...talk about a change in your favor.

it was actually something I caught while looking over the proposal...they told me there was nothing above me but when looking at the floorplans I found there was, and there was a small argument as to what exactly was going to happen (i myself am more likely to believe the proposal than the guy in the sales office) but they told me it was gone...so I hope they weren't kidding. If you are in a 1BR i think you have to be the apartment on the other side of the elevator bank...which would make you pretty much in the center but more to the east than the west.

thanks for all the information sizzlack. hopefully they keep making good progress on the building and we close by Q1 next year.

Do you guys know how much they are asking for the 2 br facing south? I beleive they are larger than the one facing north and they are still available...Out of curiosity

You talkin about 2B? I duno about the price but Im pretty sure its directly above the entrance to the building...which would probably explain why it has yet to sell. Almost 1300 feet, I'd assume its at least 1.5million.

No I mean 7E and 8E, they are around 1456 sf and they include a home office and 2 1/2 bath...
they are still on the website so i am assuming they haven't sold yet

Ahh...Im clueless on those.
I did see a broker showing a European family what appeared to be those (I say that because they were standing as far west as possible while still being in front of the building and they were pointing at that line...
The 1BR/HO or F line from 4-6 are still on the board too...so technically 4-8 in that line are still available

I passed yesterday by the sales office. Evrything is sold except for 5 units (penthouses and the three besdrooms)
The windows are up and they look great!
It was really exciting!

I went by the building yesterday too...go figure.
Windows up to the 8th floor...they should have the rest windowed in the next two weeks
then they can start hanging the sheetrock

hooray for progress

What is the latest people have heard about a closing date? I've heard everything from September to "hopefully by the first quarter of next year." I'm aware that this has already been discussed here. Just looking for new info...

Really excited about the progress. I walk my dog by the building almost every day. Sunset reflecting off the windows is quite nice.

Isn't this kind of a crappy block?

No its a pretty nice block....go walk by it...its quite and it has also the Verde and the clement clarck... on one side you have 6ave with everything...and on west you have 7th ave and the pretty streeets with brown stones...
I really like the location of the building!

anon133w22 I don't have any news regarding the closing date. I did not ask the sale's office when I passed by yesterday...I hope for you guys it won't get delayed too much...For me it doesn't really change anything!

Depends what elements of a block determine your view of it being crappy...
22nd b/w 6th and 7th is tree lined and mostly residential (there is a dog daycare and a small theatre on the block). There are 3 new condo developments that will be opening later this year. 22nd St west from there to me is one of the nicest blocks in the city. Lots of little townhouses and lots of trees. 6th ave is a little nutty right there but its far enough down the block that you dont hear the noise. As for the pluses, it has the 1,2,3,4,5,6 and more subways all within a 2 or 3 block walk. Madison Sq Park is 2 minutes away, Union Sq park is 10 min away, the Highline is 10 min away, there is a Whole Foods around the corner, the building has its own parking.
So I dont think its a crappy block, but everyone has their own opinion.
Im on the block almost everyday during morning rush hour and traffic is pretty light.

I'm really hoping any delays will be minimal. Once the nice weather got here they really picked up the pace. The windows and interior framing went up quicker than I was expecting it too...so I hope thats a good thing...

I've seen the block, there's some on the north side of the street toward 7th avenue that isn't as nice as Clement Clarke and the theater.

Sizzlack - Yes, the 1 train is on 23rd 7th, the rest are no where near a 2 or 3 block walk...the nearest 2/3 is on 7th and 14th (an 8 block walk), the 6 is on Park South and 23rd (a 2 ave walk) and the 4/5 is Union Square (8 block and 3 ave away)...as far as your other time estimates, the are a little aggressive

i walk back and forth between union sq and 22nd st everyday
its like a 7 minute walk for me
I suppose if one were to take their time or needed a walker or something
but I dont...my time estimates are for me...if youre slow than add 10 minutes to everything
apologies for the "3 block" comment when it should be 6

The last time I checked 22-14=8 (so 8 blocks, not 6)...you sound like a real estate agent...

You: This apartment is 800sf
Buyer: But is measures 300sf
You: So it is still nice for 600sf

yea you got the nail right on the head
Im a secret RE agent here to try and unload the last five apartments in the building
8 blocks not 6
whoops thats a whole extra two minutes to my walk

Id rather live 8 blocks from all the subway lines than in a place that simply had no subway access whatsoever

oh and if youre looking to sell your apartment give me a call I need work badly

don't forget that there are the F,V stop on 23rd and 6th and the N,R on 22nd and Broadway. All within walking distance.

It seems like you are all Sizzle, but no Steak

Well Im sorry that you dont like the fact that I am enthusiastic about this place
not because I am a broker, but because I have a contract out on a 1BR in the building
and I'm looking forward to moving in
and the Sizzlack is as in Moe Sizzlack (or Syzlak if you want to be particular)
but its got nothin to do with the sizzler or any other cheap ass steak restaurant

there is one "z" in Sizlack...d'oh

Hi guys I was again in the neighberhood tonight! Its really really great! I am so excited and so convinced this is the best decision I have even done. The street itself is residential and quiet at night and the feel of chelsea is so great! The building is outstanding from the outside. I think it stands out much more than the verde or clement clark. An it won't have any problems aging (as for the Modern on west 18)
Can't wait!

congrats to all of you who have purchased at 133 west 22nd.. it is going to be a great building in a great area. we are closing at the stratus, and are very excited about all the new development in the neighborhood. do not let these idiots bring you down. 8 blocks instead of 6. are you kidding? who gives a sh@t? see you around the hood. i am coming over to use the pool.

Well put ekartash...why anyone would waste their time lurking on this post to argue its a bad street, too far from the subway, etc is beyond me (simple solution, dont buy here and go find another website, its a big internet). i am sure myss79 and sizzlack will join me in welcoming you to a pool party any time next summer.

Of course!

Sizzler-You Said...22nd b/w 6th and 7th is tree lined and mostly residential (there is a dog daycare and a small theatre on the block).

I walked down the block today and from 6th ave west, there is not a tree for half the block...and the first 1/3 of the block is just the freight entrance from Staples on the north and the old B&N on the south...not retail, no pretty buildings, just ugly backsides to buildings...you also have the back to Garden of Eden, with the constant flow of delivery trucks/garbage

I am glad you are happy...just don't try to say the block is something it is not

Im not sure if you are aware that this is Chelsea
and it isnt a block with townhouses...what is it supposed to look like?
There are like 8 residential apartment buildings...a warehouse that has little to no activity, the side of the old BnN (god forbid the side of a building). No retail to me makes it nice and "residential"...thats what residential means
There are no backs to any buildings, there is the side of the BnN...thats it. Staples is not on 22nd st.
As for Garden of Eden...its a small double door...there isnt much activity besides small fruit and vegetable trucks
and I hate to break it to you but in NYC there are garbage trucks on every damn street
sheesh if you dont like the fucking block dont fucking move there but get the hell off my ass about it and get a life

the large red brick building which you call the rear of staples is an old warehouse
what chelsea used to be...I myself like that it gives it character

Sizzler - You are a hoot!!! I love your line "No retail to me makes it nice and "residential"...thats what residential means...No, residential means RESIDENCES, not the back or sides of large retail stores that are dark and promote bums to sleep and congregate

It is funny...in one post you call the street "tree lined", now you say the warehouses "gives it character"...then you say Staples is not on 22nd, BUT IT IS...right next to Burlington Coat Factory!!

And the line..."there isnt much activity besides small fruit and vegetable trucks"...that is a real winner, beacause Garden of Eden sells Meat and Fish, which gets delivered every morning at 6am!!! Not to mention beer, soda, dairy, etc., but I am sure they are all delivered in small trucks!!!

I was going to get you a shovel as a house warming present, but I can tell you already have one by the hole you keep digging youself in!!!

Well given that my apt will face the rear of the building I wont have to worry about delivery truck noise. And please give me your number so I can make sure to get your opinion on every block in NYC that I may ever live on since it is clearly important to you. Chelsea had warehouses, hence the warehouse gives it Chelsea character. Staples is on 6th Avenue, not 22nd St. I have seen one bum on 22nd st, but again..this is NYC...there are bums here. If that freaks you out too much then move. For the forth time, the street is residential, and there are trees on the street. There is barely any retail on the street, if you want to get all picky yes there is a small time bike store, a little restaurant but nothing that attracts tourism or shoppers. If you dont want darker streets, dont live downtown, its pretty simple. If you want peace and quiet and trees and birds and peace and love you arent going to find it below 23rd street. Perhaps I would care about the noise if I lived on the 2nd floor next door to Garden of Eden. But I wont so I dont give a shit how loud it gets. I hear garbage trucks outside my window every single day, as well as fire trucks, ambulances, police cars etc...it all becomes ambient noise when you've lived here long enough. Do you go out of your way with everyone who talks about a specific block to tell them everything YOU dont like about it like your opinion somehow matters in my life? Like Ive said about four times in this thread, I dont care what you think, if the block is no good for you, simply pass and move on. But to go out of your way to try and rain on other peoples parades is pretty pathetic.

Sizzler - You obviously care about what I say, because:

a) You are extremely defensive
b) You keep responding to my posts
c) You continue to agree with what I say, but make "excuses" why it doesn't effect you

Keep livin the Dream!!

I am defensive because every single one of your posts in this thread have been directed to me. I respond because every time you post something it starts with my name, implying you are trying to tell me something. I do not agree with you at all. You are completely exaggerating the things you consider to be a nuisance on the street. The warehouses you despise so much are the northern section of the Ladies Mile Historic District. Believe it or not, some people like that kind of stuff. Almost everything else is residential. I am not bothered by street noise, but it clearly is a very big issue for you. Whatever deliveries Garden of Eden may get, it is not an 18 wheeler blowing its air horn at 2am. Delivery trucks dont make a whole lot of noise, and its irrelevant to me because I dont face the street. This thread is about 133 W 22 not the things you dont like about 22nd st b/w 6th and 7th. I get that the things that I think make the block great make the block terrible for you, but we all get the point that you dont like it, so enough. 133 W 22nd is no dream, it will be finished in a few months, and when I move in you can believe I will enjoy every second of it. Only person it's a dream for is you...

Great answer Sizzlack....
Apt-Boy...get something else to do...noone cares...

and for the record, I personally find the former Barnes & Noble building to be one of the nicest examples of Beaux-Arts architecture in the Ladies Mile Historic District (along with the BedBath&Beyond one at 18th). I am glad to soon be living across the street from it, it is a beautiful building.

Apt_boy - aren't there some kids in the area that need to be told santa clause isn't real?

Sales office update...Steve said that they are applying for a temporary certificate of occupancy for floors 1-5 to be ready to move in in November. He said they will be able to move in roughly 2 apartments a day...which means that it will take roughly 3 months to move the whole building in. He said 95% sold, and he is telling people 1st Quarter '09 just in case they run into any delays. Movin along and it looks good...