"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States, has hurt the United States, or has not made much of a difference either way?" Helped - 23% Hurt - 47% Not much difference - 23% Unsure - 7% "What do you think foreign trade means for America? Do you see foreign trade more as an opportunity for economic growth through increased... [more]
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States, has hurt the United States, or has not made much of a difference either way?"
Helped - 23%
Hurt - 47%
Not much difference - 23%
Unsure - 7%
"What do you think foreign trade means for America? Do you see foreign trade more as an opportunity for economic growth through increased U.S. exports or a threat to the economy from foreign imports?"
Opportunity- 41%
Threat- 50%
Both- 3%
Neither- 3%
Unsure- 3%
"From what you know, do you think that free trade agreements between the United States and other countries help to create more jobs in the U.S., or do you think they cost the U.S. jobs?"
Create more jobs- 18%
Cost jobs- 69%
Depends- 2%
Unsure- 11%
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/04/1013409/-What-the-polls-say-about-free-trade?via=search[less]
Response by jason10006
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On this, they are stupid. Its unambiguously better for the economy as a whole. It helps workers (yes WORKERS) in some segments, hurts them in others. It helps lower prices paid for all population groups in the US. For those displaced by trade, paying them a stipend for NOT working is cheaper for the economy (overall) than putting up a tariff, quota, or subsidy.
Even Paul Krugman or Joseph Stiglitz are pro-free trade.
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Response by Socialist
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What we need is FAIR trade, not free trade.
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Response by Riversider
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what we need are less slogans.
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Response by NYRENewbie
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Who do you think is making more money on the iPhone, the component maker in China or Apple? Who do you think is making more on the sneaker, Nike or the people who make it? Who do you think is polluting their environment more, the country making the electronics components or the country marketing the computer. The US has benefited greatly through free trade, and the world is as dependent on our consumption as we are on their low prices for labor.
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Response by jason10006
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"what we need are less slogans."
RS and I agree!
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Response by ss400k
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"What we need is FAIR trade, not free trade."
So when you bought your SONY TV as well as Google TV did you pay your retailer an extra 20% to offset some of the 3rd world labor said companies employ?
How much extra did you pay to enjoy such luxuries?
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Response by ss400k
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An actual number, please.
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Response by jason10006
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How about how many millions of jobs would you think is tolerable among American export-led companies (GE, all the Media names, Solar companies, all farm-related businesses, mining names, Deer, Catipilar, etc.) when retaliatory tariffs are imposed? 1 million? 5 million?
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Response by Socialist
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"Who do you think is making more money on the iPhone, the component maker in China or Apple?"
Isn't the guy who owns FoxCon, where Apple products are made, worth like $6 billion?
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What is Apple's market cap? I believe a tad bit higher than $6 billion.
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Don't focus on Apple, but on the new businesses built delivering applications over it's service and the cost savings users of those applications have enjoyed such as lower costs for managing inventory. Also consider the U.S. companies that benefit from owning patents on apple components.
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Response by Brooks2
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>>>>>For people seriously interested in real estate as an investment, those issues should be of paramount
interest today. But on SE we dont discuss them amongst the deluge of fatuous and politically imbecilic
postings, such as those of Socialist.
WASHINGTON — Congress passed three long-awaited free trade agreements on Wednesday, ending a political standoff that has stretched across two presidencies. The move offered a rare moment of bipartisan accord at a time when Republicans and Democrats are bitterly divided over the role that government ought to play in reviving the sputtering economy.
Proponents of the trade deals, including Mr. Obama, Republican leaders and centrist Democrats, predict that they will reduce prices for American consumers and increase foreign sales of American goods and services, providing a much-needed jolt to the sluggish economy.
“At long last, we are going to do something important for the country on a bipartisan basis,” said Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader.
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Response by huntersburg
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Saw a side by side photo of McConnell and Reid the other day - the look related.
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Response by Socialist
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GREETINGS FROM BOSTON
I guess the unions will have a strong case when the take the free trade agreements to court, since, according to the U.S. Constitution, thye are ILLEGAL. You see, there is no such thing as a free trade "agreement." It is a free trade TREATY, which must be passed with a 2/3 majority in Congress. So unless that happense, these "agreements" are illegal and must be bloceked by the courts.
Why don't we ask real questions of the American population, like,
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the people in the United States buy goods at Wal-Mart for cheaper so that families can do more with their paycheck?"
or
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States so that no one in your family is stuck doing menial slave-labor type jobs with angry, demanding bosses for really cheap?"
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Response by Socialist
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"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States so that no one in your family is stuck doing menial slave-labor type jobs with angry, demanding bosses for really cheap?"
That's a good question. One of the benefits of free trade is that nobody is stuck doing horrible jobs for low wages due to the simple fact that nobody has a job. They can spend all their time marching in Occupy Wall St. or Teabagger protests.
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Response by Socialist
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Great news comrades.. I'm back from Boston! Did everyone miss me?
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Response by huntersburg
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Some did, but not everyone.
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Response by caonima
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free trade helps enriching the 1%, and hurting the 99%
On this, they are stupid. Its unambiguously better for the economy as a whole. It helps workers (yes WORKERS) in some segments, hurts them in others. It helps lower prices paid for all population groups in the US. For those displaced by trade, paying them a stipend for NOT working is cheaper for the economy (overall) than putting up a tariff, quota, or subsidy.
Even Paul Krugman or Joseph Stiglitz are pro-free trade.
What we need is FAIR trade, not free trade.
what we need are less slogans.
Who do you think is making more money on the iPhone, the component maker in China or Apple? Who do you think is making more on the sneaker, Nike or the people who make it? Who do you think is polluting their environment more, the country making the electronics components or the country marketing the computer. The US has benefited greatly through free trade, and the world is as dependent on our consumption as we are on their low prices for labor.
"what we need are less slogans."
RS and I agree!
"What we need is FAIR trade, not free trade."
So when you bought your SONY TV as well as Google TV did you pay your retailer an extra 20% to offset some of the 3rd world labor said companies employ?
How much extra did you pay to enjoy such luxuries?
An actual number, please.
How about how many millions of jobs would you think is tolerable among American export-led companies (GE, all the Media names, Solar companies, all farm-related businesses, mining names, Deer, Catipilar, etc.) when retaliatory tariffs are imposed? 1 million? 5 million?
"Who do you think is making more money on the iPhone, the component maker in China or Apple?"
Isn't the guy who owns FoxCon, where Apple products are made, worth like $6 billion?
What is Apple's market cap? I believe a tad bit higher than $6 billion.
Don't focus on Apple, but on the new businesses built delivering applications over it's service and the cost savings users of those applications have enjoyed such as lower costs for managing inventory. Also consider the U.S. companies that benefit from owning patents on apple components.
>>>>>For people seriously interested in real estate as an investment, those issues should be of paramount
interest today. But on SE we dont discuss them amongst the deluge of fatuous and politically imbecilic
postings, such as those of Socialist.
thought this was funny and worthy of a repost
Common Sense wins, you lose
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/business/trade-bills-near-final-chapter.html?_r=1&ref=business
WASHINGTON — Congress passed three long-awaited free trade agreements on Wednesday, ending a political standoff that has stretched across two presidencies. The move offered a rare moment of bipartisan accord at a time when Republicans and Democrats are bitterly divided over the role that government ought to play in reviving the sputtering economy.
Proponents of the trade deals, including Mr. Obama, Republican leaders and centrist Democrats, predict that they will reduce prices for American consumers and increase foreign sales of American goods and services, providing a much-needed jolt to the sluggish economy.
“At long last, we are going to do something important for the country on a bipartisan basis,” said Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader.
Saw a side by side photo of McConnell and Reid the other day - the look related.
GREETINGS FROM BOSTON
I guess the unions will have a strong case when the take the free trade agreements to court, since, according to the U.S. Constitution, thye are ILLEGAL. You see, there is no such thing as a free trade "agreement." It is a free trade TREATY, which must be passed with a 2/3 majority in Congress. So unless that happense, these "agreements" are illegal and must be bloceked by the courts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/free-trade-congress_b_1004974.html
CORECTION: THe South Korea and Panama "agreements" were passed with a two-thirds majority. The Panama "agreement" was not and is therefore unlawful.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/10/13/colombia-trade-deal-would-have-failed-as-a-treaty/
THe only thing dumber than free trade "agreeements" is a 9-9-9 tax plan that came from a pizza box.
Grayson , the guy with the Taliban Dan ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWdyf9eSkqQ
Why don't we ask real questions of the American population, like,
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the people in the United States buy goods at Wal-Mart for cheaper so that families can do more with their paycheck?"
or
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States so that no one in your family is stuck doing menial slave-labor type jobs with angry, demanding bosses for really cheap?"
"In general, do you think that free trade between the United States and foreign countries has helped the United States so that no one in your family is stuck doing menial slave-labor type jobs with angry, demanding bosses for really cheap?"
That's a good question. One of the benefits of free trade is that nobody is stuck doing horrible jobs for low wages due to the simple fact that nobody has a job. They can spend all their time marching in Occupy Wall St. or Teabagger protests.
Great news comrades.. I'm back from Boston! Did everyone miss me?
Some did, but not everyone.
free trade helps enriching the 1%, and hurting the 99%
You sure it doesn't at least help the top 5%?