Tea Party vs Wall Street Protesters--Discuss

i havent been to a tea party, but i went down to ows today to check it out. yeah. that's a bunch of smelly stupid hippies. few of the people i taked to made any sense, forget have anything resembling a coherent point. it was just retarded. and the whole place smells like a shitload of dirty hippies.

Riversider
about 1 hour ago
ignore this person
report abuse

Risk is off

Hopefully this can be put to a nonviolent end now that the folks protesting have had a chance to air their grievances and make a few statements. The people in charge have done well appeasing all of the varied interests and avoiding the natural fracturing of the group that would typically take place in a group with a powerful message gaining widespread interest and acceptance.

My error - same applies to the Tea Party on that last point.

"few of the people i taked to made any sense, forget have anything resembling a coherent point. it was just retarded. "

Like "KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!!!!!"

That kind of coherent?

"DEATH PANELS!!!!"

That sort?

"MORMANISM IS A CULT!!!!"

That sort of thing?

Jason, when did you go on Medicare and convert to Mormonism?

>lucillebluth
about 5 hours ago
ignore this person
report abuse i havent been to a tea party, but i went down to ows today to check it out. yeah. that's a bunch of smelly stupid hippies. few of the people i taked to made any sense, forget have anything resembling a coherent point. it was just retarded. and the whole place smells like a shitload of dirty hippies.

Lucille, but Kanye was there. And he's got a lot of fresh, clean clothes, that on one in Paris wanted to buy.

Got to love all of the populist Hollywood types. Matt Damon supports his mom the teacher, how nice, while buying among the 0.1% of apartments in Manhattan from his movie money based on glorifying killing and war.

fresh, clean clothes, that no one in Paris wanted to buy.

The difference between the protesters and the tea party:

Protestors: Everyone needs to pay their fair share of taxes
Tea Party: My boss and his golf buddies shouldn't have to pay taxes, their money will trickle down to me. Someday. Just as soon as this layoff is over.

Protestors; smelly, dirty, hippies.
Tea Party; smelly, appalachian, oakies.

Protestors; live in tents
Tea Party; live in trailers

Protestors; are sick of corporations running over our rights
Tea Party; think rights are FOR corporations

Protestors: realize that in 1982, CEO pay equaled 42 times worker pay which wasn't bad
Tea Party; isn't bothered by the 2010 figure of 343 times worker pay, because sometimes they, themselves, make more than $343 in a month. Yee haw!

Protestors: are sick of watching our jobs head overseas
Tea Party; are lining up at Walmart to buy more products created overseas. Envious of $7 an hour greeter job.

Protestors; are asking that workers be insured so their illnesses aren't a burden to society
Tea Party; are anti death panel for grandma, unless grandma don't have insurance, in which case grandma will be shot.

Protestors; want corporations to spend some of the HUGE QUANTITIES of cash on hand (2 TRILLION) to create jobs and employ people
Tea Party; think they should keep the money because workers will just spend it on abortions

the fact that you project all that on the "protester" suggests to me you have yet to head down there and talk to these people. there are signs and pamphlets writing out thee costitution of earth which was apparently appropriated when "representatives of all groups on earth" got together at some point in the early nineties i believe and declared their authority. the first article of the constitution of earth is the no bombs act. that's right. the second is something equally hilarious but it states that noone to whom #2 applies can be in violation of the bomb act. i spoke to 2 lovely gentlemen who were there raising awareness about the aparently growing puerto rican independence movement. i also confronted an infiltrator who was puting on deodorant right smack in front of a sign that clearly stated deodorant, like chemicals, hormones, war and lies was toxic. i wish i was joking, but even the deranged mind of lucille cant make this shit up. go see these idiots for yourselves.

I've been to both types of protests, strictly out of curiosity, and found factions within the tea party that think:

Every state should be an independent republic.

Slavery should be legal.

Our government is run by a sect of white and black muslims.

That the US will soon be a state of Mexico and the lawn men will all turn on us with their machetes.

Now let's look at the "leaders" of the Tea Party and some of their beliefs;

That taxing everyone and everything at 9% will solve our problems, and if you're not rich, it's your fault.

That Armageddon is imminent and we should all have one year's worth of food in our basement (a basic belief of ALL Mormons).

That vaccines cause retardation, and the 9-9-9 tax, when reversed, is the sign of the devil.

That having absolutely no government is fine, our "own bootstraps" will taste good when we're 85 and destitute.

That being a total idiot that has the same accent as George W is enough qualification to be president. Wait- maybe it is!

The only difference between the whacko splinter factions is that the Tea Partiers go home at the end of the day and bathe.

Usually.

"The only difference between the whacko splinter factions is that the Tea Partiers go home at the end of the day and bathe."

you underestimate the magnitude of the statement that makes about the protesters' state of mind!

i have yet to attend a tea party, so i reserve judgement until then. these people are just gross though. and they are overwhelmingly gross. not like, a few gross people sprinkled in. it looks like a hobo camp and those people look like hobos. i think that means something. i think the increasingly disenfranchised, frustrated and shrinking middle class certainly deserves and angry voice, but these losers are not it. and i think if any actual middle class people spent a few minutes among them, they would agree. the organizers have their shit together - that's their job. everyone else though, not so much.

actually, approaching that little square with the sleeping bags and boxes with hobos in them, i was reminded of hearing years ago about some square on east london being knows as "flea square" or something to that effect during the gin epidemic, because if you didn't have fleas when you went in, you had them when you came out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aaTGsGdp4c&feature=share

ok, i'll call sean and let him know. thanks cc. how are ya cc? did you miss me?

Without picking a side though my comments will appear as such, Tea Party far more effective.

Tea party;
WHether you agree with or not achieved unbelievable turnover in congressman/women and staved off the passing of a runaway budget.
It's goal was to curb government spending.

Occupy Wall street; Misdirected and undirected.
Misdirected as greed on wall street is A)not the problem and B) not something anyone is going to change.
THese protestors should be protesting the SEC. Except for Madoff and an unlucky few, there is NO LAW.
These protestors should be in front of bank corporate headquarters.For the their past behavior and present.
THese protestors should be in front of COngress. Reregulation of banks, period.

truthskr10, agreed

smelly hippies jokes aside though, what genuinely troubles me about the occupy whatever "protest" movement is it's lack of both specific and tangible targets and goals. it's an orwellian anger movement. it's 2 minutes of hate. or however long they've been stinking up downtown.

lucillebluth i havent been to a tea party, but i went down to ows today to check it out. yeah. that's a bunch of smelly stupid hippies. few of the people i taked to made any sense, forget have anything resembling a coherent point. it was just retarded. and the whole place smells like a shitload of dirty hippies.

I went to Zuccotti PArk on Monday to check it out. I total agree. And, no common cause or voice.
ie, one sign said, "more pay for NYPD", "Columbus Day Celebrates Genocide" and "Corporations are terrorists"

Those people are just looking for a reason to protest.

Well the Occupy Wall street crowd kind of remind me of an obscure movie most here probably never saw. It's called PCU (One of Jeremy Piven's first movie roles)

This is the description of the movie from IMDB;
"A high school senior comes to visit Port Chester (aka Politically Correct U) for the weekend, and the admissions department mistakenly sets him up to stay with Droz, a seven year student and party-animal who lives in The Pit, the most offensive house on campus. After trying to pawn the pre-freshman off on his house mate, Droz sets off on his normal daily activities including disrupting a political protest by throwing meat at a group of vegan protesters. The President of the University then receives a number of complaints, and with the help of her lackey, she may finally have the power to kick Droz's house off campus. But the Pit throws an all-campus rager where George Clinton and the Parliament Funkadelic performs, and everything might turn out alright if the various political groups can forget their protests for one night and just have fun together."

In the end, nobody was allowed to protest(at graduation I think) and they wound up with an anti-protest protest yelling "We are not going to protest."

Kinda hard to explain it in text and see it as funny.

and this may sound paranoid and nutty, but in the immediate future, the tea party has certainly been more effective simply because it represents a specific point of view. people who share that point of view and believe it is the solution seek out the tea party movement. by definition these would be people who have thought about their personal problems and the problems facing this country and have arrived at a solution they believe will bring a favorable resolution. the occupy movement protests ideas. ideas like greed and corruption and other natural things stupid people claim to be against. they don't have a plan other than expressing their anger. and ultimately, the movement that welcomes unthinking angry masses will always win out out over the movement that offers solutions based on a specific idealogy. always. in every history altering event driven by masses, those masses were brought together with amorphous anger, and given a target for that anger AFTER already existing as a legitimate force. seriously, look into it, it's true. there will always be more stupid angry people than people who think and have a plan. any plan.

has anyone really not seen PCU? no way.

They are neo-hippies, lucille.
We call them "The stinky finger" when they hang out outside Dead concerts, index finger in the air.

How are you, lucille?
I'm giving some friends here in Europe a tour of streeteasy. They like you, too.

After tonight, they'll be on here on their own.
I think they got the hang of it.

The biases one project on the other side side say as much about themselves as the ones they describe....maybe more.

way to go river douche bag.

truth obviously is herself a sticky finger.

yuck

I'm starting to like this country a little more now i see the Generation X Americians ise not reduced to a fat bunch a video game playing couch potatoes. Back in the 70's, you had the Anti War protesters, Black panthers, Feminists, Hippies... Every body was goin' down to protest. It seems to me that the burden of debt American have taken have given them no time to take a day off to protest...until they lost their job and all of the sudden their quiet & prosperous life is destroyed by the bankers and congress! Go get them Tigers!

The stinky fingers are clear about what they want: a free ticket.
Whenever I gave them a free ticket,( because the weather was bad) they would come up to the backstage entrance in the venue and ask for a backstage pass.

So no more free tickets for the stinky fingers. No bias about that.

Good point sledgehammer:

Back then real hippies elevated protesting to an art form. Very creative (levitate the Pentagon!)
And they protested racial injustice as well as anti-war protests.

Those neo hippies probably never protested anything before now.

m starting to like this country a little more now

Does this mean you did not like it before?

Living through the facist regime of W Bush for 8 years almost made me want to call it quit!

why didn't you move to one you like then?

Call it quit, sledgehammer! (why almost?)

Something about NY... It's hard to leave this city! :-)

hi truth! i'm good, thank you. hope you're well, but you're always ok it seems.

"The biases one project on the other side side say as much about themselves as the ones they describe....maybe more."

i'm not projecting shit. i saw it with my own 3 eyes. these people are gross. i stand by that.

>actually, approaching that little square with the sleeping bags and boxes with hobos in them, i was reminded of hearing years ago about some square on east london being knows as "flea square" or something to that effect during the gin epidemic, because if you didn't have fleas when you went in, you had them when you came out.

Does this include Kanye West?

lucille, when do you get any parenting done what with the day trips hanging iut with the counter culture wannabes, etc?

i don't think kanye west was there when i was. but what i saw was a sea of questionable characters. i did talk to this one cute guy, he looked like he may have showered that day.

"questionable character" have lots of time on their idle hands

what makes you think i didn't bring my precious snowflakes with me on this educational trip ?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/12/wall-street-protester-proclaims-the-jews-control-wall-st-in-zuccotti-park-rant/

>i did talk to this one cute guy, he looked like he may have showered that day.

Lucille, aren't ou married?

This guy is my new hero:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5RxhahHK0&sns=fb

oh i was just kidding about all that, the husband and all..PUNK'D!!!
the kids are real though.

so, while i still say they're gross, i went there again yesterday but with my kids this time to see how different the weekend crowd is. it's growing into a formidable movement and it's important to see it personally, so i went. lots more people, obviously, lots of people with kids actually, many just gawking and hanging out just to be there. had more of a street fair feel, people just walking around and looking around. they have made an occupy day care area, where a few young women got together and got markers, crayons and construction paper and kids can hang out and draw. you can either leave sign in your kids and leave them there or stay and let them hang out. i stayed, obviously, but those girls are very attentive and i think some of them have childcare backgrounds. they were interviewed a few times when i was there an their thing is subsidized childcare and childcare costs relief for working parents. and they get message out by getting down and opening a little chidcare center in the middle of the mob and attracting attention not by screaming and attacking police and being confrontational and violent, but by demonstrating what they want and whom it benefits. so they have a legitimate point i actually support. OBVIOUSLY girls thought of and run the only reasonable thing in that mess. if this thing stays there, i will buy a bunch of art supplies and bring them down there and contribute that way. my kids actually had a great time at the ows street party with the protesters. there are several sources of music at any given time, they have dance parties, there were break dancers, they sing, they yell monosyllabic and rhyming simplistic things my small children can easily comprehend in unison, they take group naps and there are people in funny costumes. a good time was had by all.

Good for you lucille, teaching your kids that being lazy, dirty, and unemployed (and not seeking) is ok, so long as their are toys and art supplies.

(I mean lazy, except when they provoke violence in parks, in the midst of traffic, and in other urban areas).

my children are too young for that message. they just liked the crazyness of it, everyone was nice to them because they were cute little kids, they did crafts with the nice childcare girls, and everything else had the feeling of a street fair. they liked the dancing and music and just yelling out stuff. and they were reallyimpressed by the group naps. my kids are 2.5 and 4, it was fun for them.

Your 4 year old will remember.

she'll remember a streetparty we went to. and i didn't call them the protestors to my girls, called them the party people.

how are you hb? reading anything good lately?

>she'll remember a streetparty we went to. and i didn't call them the protestors to my girls, called them the party people.

In 10 years, you'll be in a fight with your older daughter over something she refuses to do, and she'll cite this protest that you took her too as partial grounds for her position.

so any emails from the many you receive daily strike you as kind of sifnificant?

Usually the ones from family that ask for money.

did you read my email?

No, I'm not online.

oh the gmail is still down, despite advertising they are better than others. want me to post it here?

Ok

it raises some very valid questions, and makes some startling accusations. a worthwhile read!

Sounds juicy.

it is! maybe you can help me as someone well versed in legal things. let's say a disturbed someone wants to confess to a crime they did not commit. they have waived their right to counsel, they have made this declaration and repeated it in court under oath. you, the prosecutor however, have been given a very strong circumstantial case collected by the attorney retained by the man's heartbroken fiancee, who sold the 3ct engagement ring he gave her in happier more lucid times to afford this. as prosecutor, you want someone to be punished for their crime, but is the declaration of a disturbed confused man really ouwteigh a very solid circumstantial case? but wait! you have just received the bombshell! the definitive exonerating paperwork has been spontaneously recovered and the case is now tipping away from this confused man. he still insists he is guilty, counselor. but which case do you take to the judge?

What was the crime?

What do you mean by take a case to the judge?

the crime was fraud, poor guy was confessing to a fraudulent act.

as far as this mock trial, Lucille will sit in for Judge Reynolds.

Probably better handled as a civil matter.

how do you think it would play out there?

I don't have the facts.

maybe you can help me as someone well versed in legal things. let's say a disturbed someone wants to confess to a crime they did not commit. they have waived their right to counsel, they have made this declaration and repeated it in court under oath. you, the prosecutor however, have been given a very strong circumstantial case collected by the attorney retained by the man's heartbroken fiancee, who sold the 3ct engagement ring he gave her in happier more lucid times to afford this. as prosecutor, you want someone to be punished for their crime, but is the declaration of a disturbed confused man really ouwteigh a very solid circumstantial case? but wait! you have just received the bombshell! the definitive exonerating paperwork has been spontaneously recovered and the case is now tipping away from this confused man. he still insists he is guilty, counselor. but which case do you take to the judge?

I saw that video of the Jew's control Wall St.
Here's my contribution: http://www.therightscoop.com/pat-condell-lets-blame-the-jews/

That's a poorly written plot lucille. Now twice.

fair enough, huntersburg. in theory, we have a man in a compromised state of mind, perhaps a result of the occumulation of guilt over past indiscretions, irrational fears which despite having been repeatedly reassured still haunt our hero, and just any number of elements which could have led our hero down this road. should the declaration of guilt from such a man with nothing but his word to support him outweigh a very solid circumstantial case that he is NOT guilty, also supported by the exonerating act of not filing the appropriate paperwork with the authorities?

Is he in the Occupy Wall Street?

our hero? he is!

Oh good, well he's in walking distance to the Bernard K. Kerick complex.

that doesn't make any sense. i'm confused. can you explain that?

The tea party smells like old man.

The wall street protests seem to be getting anti-semitic...

The tea party protests seem to be getting racist...

If you see a bunch of stupid signs and don't know whether your at a Occupy Wall St. or Tea Party protest, look for oxygen tanks or other medical equipment. If you see any, then your at a teabagger protest. If you don't, then your at a OWS protest

A key difference is that the Tea Party has a set agenda and proposed action plan, and supported candidates from a grass-roots level.

The OWS folks seem to have esoteric views of "down w corporate greed" but don't appear to have proposed a concrete solution. Also, if you're going to protest the economy, do it in DC in front of Congress' offices - after all, it was Congress who set the policies that allowed the banks to lend. Also, get your facts straight and be realistic about WHAT your protestig - like it or not, the economy NEEDS banks. Closing them down (as some propose) wouldn't do any good. Also, the top income earners DO generate the majority of taxes. oh, and NYC/NYS NEEDS Wall St, income to support public services. Taxing them more will NOT create more jobs.

I posted further up a youtube video of Chris Hedges explaining the difference between Tea baggers % OWS protesters. His explanation cannot be more accurate.

Yeah, the Nazi party joined up with the OWS...

I understood OWS before they became the outdoorsy nazis. Like, the REAL nazis. Natural but still unfortunate progression.
By the way, the first tent protests for social justice were held in Tel Aviv, Israel. But don't mention it to the the OWS nazis.

"and supported candidates from a grass-roots level."

HA HA. THat's a good one. I don't know of too may grasroots cuases with their own Super PACs and that get funding from multi billionaires like the Koch brothers.

And Mr. Kuby should get a heart attack ASAP. Not likely, though: no heart and conscience there.

There are anti semites in the OWS movement, and there are white supremacists in the Tea Party movement.

The REAL rioting will come once the unemployment checks stop going out. Remember, I was the only one here to correctly predict the current increase in crime...

Those starry-eyed who consider themselves to be openminded and liberal often embrace Nazi policies, socialist and ethnic, so to speak. Sad.
They just like hanging out in Manhattan, all that "communal" thing and it's free! And even paid for by someone.
Really, why doesn't OWS protest where it matters - in DC where the powers that be really are?

ANd yet there are a lot of Ron Paul people at the OWS rallies. Every time they are on tv, there is always a Ron Paul 2012 sign in the background.

Socialist
7 minutes ago
ignore this person
report abuse

There are anti semites in the OWS movement, and there are white supremacists in the Tea Party movement.

And to your discerning eye, white supremacists are bad but anti-semites are good? Or justified?
You know, as your handle implies, you are just not too bright, poor thing.

I like reading about NYU students who join the protest.
NYU students fall into two categories -
1 children of rich parents who can afford the expensive tuition, room and board for a mediocre purple school
2 kids who are getting heavy financial aid and are therefore beneficiaries of other people's money for their subsidized purple education.

Nothing is wrong with either, but I can't figure out how either can be part of OWS.

I never defended anti semites. Just pointing out that there are bad apples in both movements.

So you agree with both or disagree with both?

"Remember, I was the only one here to correctly predict the current increase in crime..."

i remember that, socialist!

Burning cars are not that far away. 6 million people will soon lose their unemployment checks. All you need is a very tiny percentage of them to riot and you will have real chaos.

Are you pro burning cars? What if the replacement cars aren't made in the U.S.?

Predicting the Detroit Pistons are going to win?
Thats pretty bold considering its more likely to basketball season at all.

> and there are white supremacists in the Tea Party movement.

Alpo, you moron.... the American nazi party has backed OWS, not the tea party.

The Occupy Wall Street crowd is pretty dumb for a bunch of college students...

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html

White Supremacists and Anti-Semites Plan to Recruit at July 4 Tea Parties

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm

Report links Tea Party movement to white supremacist groups

Document alleges that Tea Party meetings are used as recruiting grounds for racist groups

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/20/report-links-tea-party-to-white-supremacist-groups

The Tea Party crowd is pretty dumb for a bunch of college graduates...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_dDBCv4k4awU/S86ryvu59cI/AAAAAAAAAdE/NU6SUauTjok/s1600/s-MEDICARE-large.jpg

http://www.truckoncheesewedge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/medicare.jpg

Socialist, how is that Koran burning NJ Transit employee that you were supporting?

> The Tea Party crowd is pretty dumb for a bunch of college graduates

Ironic, alpo calling people dumb...