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NYC Crime is Up

Started by Socialist
almost 14 years ago
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According to the latest data, rape is up 32% and murder is up 23%. I told you guys that crime was going to increase, and nobody listened. If crime rises any more, people will have enough and we will see a mass exodus to the suburbs. ALl those people who left the suburbs for the city when crime was low will go right back to where they came from.
Response by hol4
almost 14 years ago
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old school NY zealots who miss "the grit" of the city while sardonically sipping on a dean deluca bev will move back and add more price pressure.. disney rape = chinese interest

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Response by NYCMatt
almost 14 years ago
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"According to the latest data, rape is up 32% and murder is up 23%. I told you guys that crime was going to increase, and nobody listened. If crime rises any more, people will have enough and we will see a mass exodus to the suburbs. ALl those people who left the suburbs for the city when crime was low will go right back to where they came from."

Thank GOD.

Send them back to Connecticut where they belong!

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Response by columbiacounty
almost 14 years ago
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can you point out where you got your data from?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

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Response by kylewest
almost 14 years ago
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According to compstat--really the only source of index crime data in NYC--murder is DOWN 13+% and rape is DOWN 11+%. Crime overall, is down about 1.4%. http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf Is there another source we're missing Socialist?

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Response by Socialist
almost 14 years ago
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Crime is up, mayor's report reveals

An annual report from City Hall shows a 32% spike in forcible rapes reported in the 12 months ending in June. Murders and robberies also increased

Read more: http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20110916/FREE/110919914#ixzz1h2ifgsTC

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Response by Socialist
almost 14 years ago
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The number of people shot surged 154 percent two weeks ago -- to 56 from 22 over the same week last year -- and spiked 28 percent in the last month.

Last week tallied another increase in victims -- 22 people had been hit through Friday, including the three victims gunned down outside a Brooklyn school Friday.

Last year, only 17 shooting victims were logged for the entire week.

The recent gunplay has now pushed the number of shooting victims this year slightly above last year’s tragic tally -- to 1,484 from 1,451 -- through Oct. 16.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/shootings_way_up_in_two_weeks_rajGrOA0bMpTBslidEUgOI#ixzz1h7F0nfUi

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Response by jason10006
almost 14 years ago
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Wait, does the report say OVERALL crime or OVERALL violent crime is up? No. You cherry-picked stats, which is an asshole move, no matter what the topic.

"major crimes as a whole continue to fall"

Both you and the reporter are assholes.

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Response by kylewest
almost 14 years ago
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Looking at one week versus another week is silly. It is the broader picture that is more important. And citing stats from June is even sillier. We now have an additional 5+ months of data. Why would you omit the most recent 5 months, Socialist? This is a very selective and forced way to look at things to avoid cognitive dissonance with incorrect predictions you made a year ago or whenever.

Socialist, you are a very odd person. You post some nonsense headline sounding an alarm and then cite to an article from MONTHS ago and another from even further back. In truth, for the year, crime is even or down in most categories. Your prediction is just wrong. Despite a difficult economy, New Yorkers aren't running amok any more than usual. Sorry to disappoint you. Merry Christmas, though.

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Response by Socialist
almost 14 years ago
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How can you deny that crime is not up? From the above Crain's article from just 3 months ago:

"Rapes, murders and robberies are back on the rise in New York, even as major crimes as a whole continue to fall, according to figures released Friday by City Hall.

Forcible rapes increased by a staggering 32%, from 860 in fiscal 2010 to 1,138 in the 12 months ending June 30, 2011, the annual Mayor's Management Report revealed. At the same time, robberies climbed by more than 700 to 19,495, and murders rose more than 6% to 526—a five-year high."

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Response by kylewest
almost 14 years ago
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Socialist, you are wrong. It is as if as a blind person you grabbed hold of an elephant's tale and described the animal and long and skinny. You look only at a misleading snapshot. Mid-year data did not turn out to indicate a trend. Just as a stock market may be up or down week to week, it is the longer term trends that matter most. For NYC, the year end statistics show that crime did not, in fact, increase in the index crime categories tracked by the FBI, but actually continued to decrease in most areas. Cannot you not read the Compstat charts? This is absolutely ridiculous. You stumble on some articles from the summer and decide now to make a pronouncement on this outdated info? Why? But in truth even if you attempted to sound an alarm last summer when the articles were published, data from all the months that followed would have proven you wrong.

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Response by caonima
almost 14 years ago
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NYC Crime is Up because cops spent most time and resource rounding up OWS citizens and beating them up, while collecting easy over-time money

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Response by kylewest
almost 14 years ago
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caonima: that's how cops spend most of their time, huh? All 33,000 of them? Wow. Didn't know that. Seemed to me the OWS'ers did a pretty good job of beating and raping each other all on their own. Did you actually go to Zucotti Park? It was the most disgusting thing I'd ever seen in NYC. I honestly had not seen such an unsanitary mess since doing relief work in Malawi.

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Response by jason10006
almost 14 years ago
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So the article in question flat-out says "major crimes as a whole continue to fall" but both the author and Socialist fail to acknowledge that. Instead they cherry-pick the figures that suit there argument. However, the fact remains that "major crimes as a whole continue to fall".

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 14 years ago
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Alpo is confused... because he lives in Jersey. Jersey shore crime is definitely up.

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Response by jason10006
almost 14 years ago
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" New Yorkers feel safer in Central Park at night as crime declines
New York City's efforts to bring down crime in Central Park are succeeding, and many New Yorkers no longer fear the park at night. The crime rate has fallen so far that police have started leaving items unattended on park benches to tempt potential thieves. Through mid-December, 17 robberies had been reported in the park this year, down from 37 a decade earlier and down substantially from 781 in 1981. The New York Times (tiered subscription model)"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/nyregion/as-crime-falls-central-parks-night-use-grows.html?_r=1

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Response by LICComment
almost 14 years ago
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Hmm, Socialist is flat-out wrong, again. Shocking . . .

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Response by jason10006
about 13 years ago
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"How New York Became One Of The Safest Cities In The World"

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/no-murders-in-new-york-2012-11#ixzz2DpfmKjnm

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Response by kylewest
about 13 years ago
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While I am a loud trumpeter of how safe NYC is compared to any other large US city, and while the numbers re: murder are compelling and important, in fairness there is a bit more texture to that stat than the number standing on its own.

Homicide stats are important because they cannot easily be fudged. A body with stab wounds can't be hidden in the way that say a robbery can be knocked down by police trying to reduce crime stats in the precinct by just listing it as a misdemeanor larceny. So understandably a lot of attention is paid to homicide stats and an important indicator of how crime rates are moving.

But fewer homicides can be affected by somethings other than violent crime truly dropping. For instance, improved medical trauma care can transform what may have been a homicide in 1960 to an assault in today's world since a victim today is more likely to live through the attack.

Also, shootings in NYC are indeed up I believe and gun-related violence has ticked up. Despite the Mayor's fervent efforts at reducing the number of guns on our street, success in this regard has been elusive. Stop and frisk policies have been driven in large part at 1 Police Plaza by out of a desperate attempt to control gun violence.

So while overall crime does remain at record lows and police and prosecutors are obviously doing a lot right, more can be done. Unfortunately, with crime so low, there is not a public hue and cry for gun control and the police and DAs face an indifference, complacent, or even hostile public when it comes to law enforcement measures these days. Tough criminal justice legislation is born of high crime rates, and with the successes of the past 2 decades, the public and Albany have their attention elsewhere. Compare this to 20 years ago when things were so awful that the majority of New Yorkers demanded that the death penalty be reinstated. By the time the law was implemented and held to not meet constitutional standards by the state's high court, the tides had changed and rather than fix the law it was allowed to fade from public discussion. I am not suggesting in anyway that a death penalty statute actually reduces any crime--rather, I point this out only as an illustration of how the public's attitude toward crime changes with the crime rate.

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Response by columbiacounty
about 13 years ago
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these stats with no explanation are useless. as has been pointed out here many times, nyc crime stats are based on population so a lot of visitors immediately skew the numbers. so...based on today's tragedy, is KC suddenly a more dangerous place? of course not.

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Response by huntersburg
about 13 years ago
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>based on today's tragedy, is KC suddenly a more dangerous place? of course not.

Apparently you haven't been to Kansas City. No surprise, you've always come across as very narrow minded.

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Response by columbiacounty
over 12 years ago
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who cares?

you're an internet troll.

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Response by caonima
about 12 years ago
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thousands of terrorist bikers will ride on west side high way again, expect the violence. where the hell did the national security funds go?

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