305 E 24th St

Several housing projects on Second Ave that would give me some pause about buying in that immediate vicinity.

That notwithstanding lived at 25th and Third and liked the neighborhood. Good amount of nightlife on third, grocery shopping and lots of dining options on Park.

horrible location, lots of projects on second avenue

It's true that there are some projects nearby but i have lived across the street for the past 9 years and they are not an issue. As a matter of fact this location offers the perflect blend of value, space and convenience to get uptown and downtown. In my opinion it would be a mistake to not consider this location.

24th street=kips bay? not on this planet.
E 24th street, once lived on by me (penny lane) and the street that educated me has a special place in my heart. It is a great hood for the young (21+) with a central location and plenty of local action. If you are young you will care little about the projects that I must admit vanish into the hood and serve as little distraction from this happy place. Even the methadone clinic on the corner of 25th and second is of little trouble. It's especially entertaining because methadone has an 'anti-gravity' effect on those that take it. I worked on the corner of 25th at second (while in school) when it was a polish restaurant (Christines) back in the early 80's and although things change I must admit that there are a lot of really nice folks that live around there.

Courtesy of Wikipedia: Kips Bay (planet Earth) is a neighborhood in the New York City borough of Manhattan. Like other neighborhoods in New York City, the boundaries of Kip's Bay are somewhat vague, but it is often considered to be the area between 23rd Street and 34th Street extending from the East River to Third Avenue. Often Kips Bay is linked to neighboring regions such as Murray Hill, Midtown East, or Gramercy.

Adults live in this neighborhood too and would consider it a happy place for them as well.

Schlep from the Subway, which is at 23rd & Park Ave (not Lex down there).

Do you really like Carvel Ice Cream?

Tycoona, you are correct wrt Kipps Bay...I stand corrected.

On another note, going forward I rather see you eating out of a dumpster than put one morsal of information in your brain from Wikipedia.
I say this because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Cam't you spell - MORSEL - MOT MORSAL (guess you don't have that much of a mind to waste)

OK spelled that wrong....thanks for the correction DICK!!!(spell that right?)

That was a very funny exchange.
Wiki may not be perfect but it is correct with regards to this topic. I would disagree that this location is far from the Subway. If an 8 minute walk is too far then I would recommend a gym membership. Lastly, what's wrong with Carvel! tough crowd

I love carvel. Hop on the 23rd st bus if you don't want to walk and your at the subway quickly.

Walk from the subway is fine on a nice day but can get real long real quick in January or in the pouring rain--its not a question of being in shape,even hard bodies get cold and wet.
Carvel totally rocks and rocked long before Danny Meyer discovered "soft serve".

Further I cannot understand the paranoia around projects especially for renters. Fifteen years ago the projects were pretty dicey and nothings to say they won't be again twenty years hence so buyers need to be cautious about resale but renters shouldn't worry. Most of the projects in Manhattan (at least those South of 96 on the east side and 110th on the west side) are tenanted by senior citizens or families trying to make a better life. Sort of "back to the future" when the newly-built projects were seen as a step up from tenements and the start up the ladder to the middle class.

I run 5 miles a day (including weekends)-- takes about 38 -39 mins on the TM. It's more than an 8 min walk, and it's about easy & quick access to transportation not exercise for some us. If people think Yorkville is far from the train so is this.

That said, we all know it's cheaper to live further from the subway. It is what it is.

the 23rd street CT bus is slower than walking. MAyor Mike may be able to fix that though!

In my opinion it is not a fair to compare 24th and 2nd Ave with Yorkville because having done both I feel that Yorkville is a much further walk to the Subway. Since I currently live here, I have been a loser (that wasn't an opening for a joke!) and I have timed my walk to the subway, and it was literally 8 minutes. On to another topic: The values of purchasing an apartment here will hold there own if you buy something reasonable like an apartment at 305 East 24th, 245 E 24th Street, 200 E 24th etc. But I have seen craziness here too, like the lofts that sold for 3M each on 24th between 2nd and 3rd (Soho prices!) or the Tempo which is going up on the corner of 24th and 2nd. I will agree that this location is not for everyone but it should not be ignored either. CARVEL JUST CLOSED, tragic...

RIP Carvel...Now I feel guilty because I didn't partronize it over the years. Wish I could say it was the result of more healthful eating but more than a few Crumbs cupcakes can testify otherwise (although now that Crumbs has passed the threshold of "calorie count required" I have much less enthusiasm for them, thank God Billy's Bakery only has two locations).
Btw, in case you thought the buildings immediately accross from 205 east 24th were projects, they most certainly are not. East Midtown Plaza was built as part of the Mitchell Lama program for middle income residents with strict income requirements. I know there was a chance they would "opt out" of the program which would only drive prices higher. If you spend any time there you are less likely to confuse it with a low income project and more likely to think its senior housing.

My sister lives at 305 E. 24 St. (she's been there almost 4 years), and is very happy with the neighborhood. No troubles at all. I wish there were better restaurants that didn't cater to the college crowd (I recently moved from E. 33 St to Yorkville--much less of dorm mentality).

"CARVEL JUST CLOSED, tragic..."

NO! NO!! NO!!! NO!!!! that was the last one left near me....... WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! (I see on their website that they have 2 in Penn Station. has anyone been to these. I can't imagine eating food from any of the verndors in their, it's o icky..... but I might have to.... I bet it's REALLY overpriced, too).

I actually dated a girl in Brooklyn partly because there was a Carvel store about a block away from her house and it gave me an excuse to drive all the way to Brooklyn since "I had to drive her home".

housing project neighborhood. it's very different block from block.

I lived in Kips Bay Court which spreads from 26th to 28th on 2nd avenue, and right in front of these building (on 2nd Avenue) there is a big number of homeless(? low income people) bums hanging around night and day. They hang around that area, 26-28th 2nd Ave, like it's their frontyard and literally ask you for money as you come out of the deli at night. Did not like living there at all as I had to cross that area to use the subway on 28th Park Avenue. Also, Kips Bay court was packed (20%?) with low income people, brings down the quality of the building over all.

Now, 24th 2nd is a little differnt. you don't necessarily see the group of African American homeless(?) bums hanging around that area, it get's a little unsafe at night to walk around that area, wouldn't call that neighborhood all that friendly. Someone I know actually got mugged right in that corner (24th 2nd Avenue) around 9pm at night.

Just go one block over to 3rd avenue, it's completely different. Very lively, lots of restaurants, grocery store, no bums hanging around those blocks and great nightlife.

This is the reason we are the fattest nation on earth, because walking to the subway from 24th and 2nd to Park and 23rd is a lot for some of you. The building keeps getting better, New Roof Deck, Brand New Elevators.

I lived on 25th off 3rd for about five years and loved the neighborhood....you're within walking distance of so many great neighborhoods..go for it.

Most of my rental apartments are 1-2 blocks to the subway. The average weight of my tenants is 435 pounds, and
is growing at approximately 15 times that of US GDP (about 1/4%/per year on average per tenant).

This is a great building. The apartments - even the studios - are amazingly large, which is why many people live there for years and raise their families there. Yet prices are moderate. It has a great staff, with doormen and concierge on all the time. It has an in-building garage. It is extremely well maintained. I have helped several people buy and rent there and they are all very happy.
Jay Molishever
CitiHabitats
917 538 4516

Yeah, I think there are issues with 2nd ave and the project. It is *very* different than even going over to just 3rd ave. I also don't like that many blocks just don't go through, giving a "cut off" feel.

This neighborhood has become a great place to live - it is near Madison Square Park, Union Square, Gramercy Park. Close to lovely parks, hip bars and restaurants. There is a new Fairway and cool neighborhood spots like Pushcart Coffee, as well as many Starbucks, too. Fabulous and large apartments with amazing closet space and a gorgeous roof deck with the best city views ever!