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Where to park some of that downpayment money?

Started by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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Yes, this is a real estate site, but there seems to be quite a few people here who knows a little about investing and others who have cash burning a hole in their pocket while waiting for better pricing and inventory in the real estate market. Not interested in boring low risk, low reward investments. Give us your small/micro stock picks with very good risk vs. reward ratios within a 12 to 18... [more]
Response by somewhereelse
almost 14 years ago
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I have a good amount in cash. Not my stock portion, but what would otherwise be my bond portion.

There really just aren't a lot of options right now.

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Response by bobnay
almost 14 years ago
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Try SBLK - risky play but lots of upside. It is selling at 0.96 per share... Based on latest conference call, I expect it to hit $2+ by Dec 2012. I bought 35K shares at 0.88 - 0.91 per share.

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Response by falcogold1
almost 14 years ago
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Great place foe your re deposit...J.H.C.!

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Response by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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bobnay, SBLK would normally fall out of my filters because of their debt level, but their share repurchase plan and recent refinancing last quarter offset the downside risk a bit. I think it would survive to hit $2+ *some day*, but can you explain why you think it could happen by Dec 2012?

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Response by huntersburg
almost 14 years ago
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How about that the stock is below $5? How about that the stock is below $1?

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Response by fsbo88
almost 14 years ago
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Interesting analysis and discussion on SBLK:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/375721-star-bulk-carriers-get-in-for-the-long-haul

I am long TGH. This is a mega-speculative play in shipping. What will the Greek bailout mean for this company? Charter rates seem low, but china imports could influence things ( or -). Highly speculative, but probably better odds than putting it on red.

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Response by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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fsbo88, where do you expect TGH to be in 12-18 months? Considering the gains recently and the pre-recession price adjusted for dividends, I'm interested in hearing why you think it will head significantly higher from here.

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Response by caonima
almost 14 years ago
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swiss/cayman island banks

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Response by bobnay
almost 14 years ago
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@Sunday: $2 by Dec 2012...That was just my opinion... and mum's the word (ahem - ahem)...

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Response by West34
almost 14 years ago
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Re: How about that the stock is below $5? How about that the stock is below $1?

Parking downpayment money and penny stocks? --- you people gotta be f'n kidding.

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Response by flarf
almost 14 years ago
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90 bps at http://personalsavings.americanexpress.com/
90 bps at http://www.discoverbank.com/
70 bps at https://www.dollarsavingsdirect.com/

Put me down in the West34 column. Commingling down payment money with speculative message board investment ideas sounds like a page out of the MF Global playbook. Do you want to live in Jersey like Corzine?

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Response by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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bobnay, I understand it's just your opinion and it might turn out that way, but you don't really expect anyone to take "mum's the word (ahem - ahem)" seriously do you?

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Response by bobnay
almost 14 years ago
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I am not parking downpayment money in sblk and would never advise it! My suggestion of sblk was where I invested some portion of my portfolio that I can risk. If it goes down, I can take that hit. I would never invest money needed for a downpayment in SBLK.

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Response by w67thstreet
almost 14 years ago
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Penny stocks!!!!! Ballz in on sprint! It's like a $2 option on an entire company!!!!! A forever option. Until it goes bk!

I got big ballzzzz. But I figure even if I lose the $300k downpayment, my 3bdrm cpw has come down $1mm over the last yr and probably $2mm by the time I buy. And if my option pays off, in cost basis for the 3bdrm is free. Free. Free.

Damn you Greeks. Hold it together till my option pays off!!!!!!

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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w67th, assuming you're holding mostly cash? Do tell...

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Response by nyc10023
almost 14 years ago
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Where is Inonada on this? I'm mostly in fixed income now - NYC munis. Looking to get out as munis are trading high right now.

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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Second the call for 'nada!

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Response by huntersburg
almost 14 years ago
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Hey bjw, quick simple math for you:
Two minus one equals?

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 14 years ago
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sunday, You gotta be crazy to invest your downpayment in single stocks. Even index investing should be a no-no. If your horizon is 1-2 year or less for buying, strictly cash or CDs. Play with the remaining money you have.

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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Crazy or not beholden to owning. Locking into that "must buy" mindset can easily cut your risk appetite. Not sure that's always a good thing.

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Response by inonada
almost 14 years ago
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I'm something like 50% stocks right now, 25% alternative illiquid stuff, 25% cash. The cash will go to either stocks and/or another alternative illiquid opportunity. The latter depends on price of stocks (the cheaper the better), the latter depends on whether the opportunity pans out. Been too busy with work to take time to play stock-picker on individual stocks recently, looking at this thread for ideas as well ;).

None of my money is "downpayment money", I have transcended the concept.

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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"None of my money is "downpayment money", I have transcended the concept."

I made that mistake - for my age, was too risk averse and locked into that "must buy at some point" mindset. Are you tempted to take some profits from the stocks you do own right now?

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Response by Wbottom
almost 14 years ago
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read before you blather: re stox, he said he may be adding--see where it says that??

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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"depends on price of stocks (the cheaper the better)"

Bottoms - see where it says that? I basically am asking if he thinks there's much that's cheap out there. You really enjoy being a f%*&%ng moron.

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Response by inonada
almost 14 years ago
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"Are you tempted to take some profits from the stocks you do own right now?"

Nope, not really. Will likely donate a chunk of the biggest winner to charity (which they will immediately sell), but that's mostly motivated by maximally screwing the tax man.

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Response by bjw2103
almost 14 years ago
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Don't tell financeguy that last part.

I'm guessing you're not terribly interested in selling mostly because of your risk tolerance rather than a sense that stocks are still "cheap"?

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Response by Wbottom
almost 14 years ago
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"I'm guessing you're not terribly interested in selling mostly because of your risk tolerance rather than a sense that stocks are still "cheap"?"

are you trying to set standard for blather?

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Response by bobnay
almost 14 years ago
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SBLK oversold because of Greek economic situation worries. But business comes from non-Greek sources. When cash flow #s come out next few qtrs showing they can service debt and pay dividends easily, stock price should go up. My DCF model says stock is worth about $1.57 - $2.21 (depending on assumptions used). If it hits 1.50, I will sell some portion of my holdings.

Just my humble opinion. ...

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Response by somewhereelse
almost 14 years ago
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I thought I was shaving a lot on the jumps, but I still have just as high a % of portfolio in stocks as I did a while back because of the growth. Glad to have made that "mistake", did some more shaving last few days.

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Response by dwell
almost 14 years ago
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"None of my money is "downpayment money", I have transcended the concept. "

Nada, kindly elaborate.

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Response by huntersburg
almost 14 years ago
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He thinks he's Sting.

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Response by w67thstreet
almost 14 years ago
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Transcended.. you know more enlightened than a RE BORKER.

Concept of taking chunks of one's assets and allocating it differently.

Like $10K in Lotto tkts purchases is segregated from $2K in food for the family.

Like $500K in downpayment versus $100K in 401K plan as a 67 yo.

Like $3MM "ownership" of COOP shares versus $12K/month rental and $3MM earning 10% (meaning you ARE LIVING RENT FREE).

Like Riding a RE BUBBLE up $3MM and then $3MM down is somehow different than selling APPL at $250 and watching it hit $500/share... cause it's a HOME!

ummmmmmmmmmmm........... may you be enlightened to the ways of taking advantage of other's financial stupidity. Like robbing a bank wo a gun.

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Response by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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bobnay, thanks for the additional comments.

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Response by inonada
almost 14 years ago
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"I'm guessing you're not terribly interested in selling mostly because of your risk tolerance rather than a sense that stocks are still "cheap"?"

I think they are approximately fairly values, meaning prices to give a decent return. I wouldn't say "cheap" any more, but rather "fair".

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Response by inonada
almost 14 years ago
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"Nada, kindly elaborate."

- I don't consider purchasing an apt a life goal.
- Money I'd use to purchase an apt is a fraction of what I have / earn / will save over the next N years.
- I don't separate money into categories.

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Response by gottabrain
almost 14 years ago
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CDs

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Response by Sunday
almost 14 years ago
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Any other ideas?

Any thoughts on Netlist(NLST), especially from someone familiar with server memory?

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Response by huntersburg
almost 14 years ago
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Sprint?

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