evacuation zone now to affect apt values?

Yes, Matilda, this WILL impact RE prices in storm-ravaged areas.

"100,000 N.Y. Homes, Businesses Face Months Without Power"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-10/100-000-n-y-homes-businesses-face-months-without-power.html

Yikes - Du calme deja. "Too hard" to explain to anyone who only has superficial knowledge on the subject. Please do not misunderstand my position; I agree that emissions from cars are destructive to the environment; my point is that if we want to discourage these emissions, there are far better ways to do it than those enacted by California and Vermont (can you say gas tax?). I generally advocate trying to influence behavior from the demand side rather than the supply side. There is no way to address the complexity of this issue on an anonymous Internet chat board; each snippet will just lead to further discussion. I know that my positions are consistent; I don't care if anyone agrees with me or not. Even an idiot such as myself is entitled to her opinion. Just agree to disagree with me if anything I say doesn't make sense to you or call me an idiot, or whatever makes you feel better, but you are not going to be able to trip me up; I'm not sure why this appears to be becoming personal to you; have you been hanging out with CC? :-)

HB, I like the plastic bag tax, I would also support a low gas mileage vehicles tax and some sort of tax on disposable plastic containers/bottles. It takes 700-1000 years for those things to decompose. While I don't believe that humans are impacting climate change in any significant way, we do have a very serious problem with waste disposal.

Lucille - do you live anywhere near me in DC? Totally with you on waste disposal and completely freaked out by phenomenon like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch/Pacific Trash Vortex. Let me know if you ever want to go on litter patrol of Soapstone Valley with me. I also like the plastic bag tax and haul groceries in reusable canvas bags that I wash regularly.

i live in van ness, in the murch zone, where my daughter goes to school. we live very close.

VERY close - If you ever hike in Soapstone Valley, come out on one of the Audubon Terrace trail exits, and if you see a woman in her mid-forties walking two mini terrapoos between 4:30 and 6 pm, that would be me.

And the global warming on Mars right now, who do we attribute that to?

Maybe him? http://www.forgottengrapes.com/media/wysiwyg/varietal_icon_page_photos/Marvin_the_Martian.jpg

And a perfect example of how stupid newspapers are and how mindless the majority who read them are;

Recently there was that story about (or the headline was) a majority of women fake their orgasms.
Headline were all over the place , some said "up to 80%"

But reading the details of what the facts were;
85% of the men report their partners reach orgasm during sex.
64% of women said the same.

That's a 21% spread of men thinking their partners reached orgasm from women admitting to.
Yet this is converted to "She's probably faking it."

Nobody needs a science degree to read english or interpret facts properly.

As I stated earlier, take the time to read the fine print.

I am bewildered by the "reading dead" level our society has achieved.
I think "Idiocracy" might be just 2/3 generations away.

Here's a hypothetical: say by some miracle, the city state and feds, plus some private interests who own real estate in the city, all got together and agreed to spend $10 billion to help the city withstand future storms.

Which would be the better option: to spend that ten billion dollars on some fancy sea gates that would protect just New York,

OR

spend the ten bilion on reducing New York's carbon emissions, which would help the climate everywhere.

What would be the better use of $10 billion?

Assume that we had a real plan for reducing carbon emissions in a meaningful way, like putting up lots of solar in the outer boroughs, making big office buildings cut their energy use in a big way, and so on.

I don't know the answer to this question, I'm curious what others think.

I'd vote for spending the money on reducing the carbon emissions rather than the sea gates, but am also curious as to what others think.

I'd vote for reduction of carbon emissions because I personally value air quality over the particular land mass at issue. Easy for me to do because I don't live there. BUT, if the question is how best to help NYC withstand a future storm, I suspect the sea gate would be more effective. I'd want to hear expert testimony on each position prior to making any determination.

"You like it? I think it's an outrage. Supermarkets charge money for plastic bags yet let black-soot-dioxin-belching automobiles park for free!"

plastic waste is tangible. and while i doubt my casual plastic bottle is melting the ice caps, it DOES contribute to things like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Garbage_Patch

this kind of damage doesn't live in....charts.....and disputed studies, it's in your face, it's undeniable.

>I'd vote for spending the money on reducing the carbon emissions rather than the sea gates, but am also curious as to what others think.

I vote for Sea Gates, possibly also with it's associated own police force. Also, reducing carbon emissions helps other states and other countries, so you get the free rider problem. Screw Massachusetts, get your own reduced carbon emission.

i mean, if there are giant blobs of plastic shit floating around, logic suggests plastic consumption should probably be curbed. and i also happen to think modern american society depends too much on cars, which is why i live in cities.

>if there are giant blobs of plastic shit floating around

Sea Gates!

so...this is how you have sex with yourself?

what's up, cc. what are you wearing?

which hand, huntersburbg? left or right?

which ever hand you like

so you're huntersburg's right hand and brooks is the left.

i get top billing! take that, brooks!

Of course that's how you shop for groceries, lucille.
A big shopping twice a month that gets delivered and going to the market a few times a week in between and carry your bags home.
Get a "gimi" canvas rolling cart.

Only an old, human swizzle-stick would question how you go to market and are able to carry your bags home.

lucille doesn't exist.

lucille is but a figment of your imagination.

My imagination?
Who you are or are not, so what?
It doesn't affect my real life.

The Magic Bus is pulling into town.
Since it's a magic bus, it doesn't run on petrol and doesn't cause pollution.

"I don't want to cause a fuss,
but can I buy you a Magic Bus?
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT !!!..."

truth i am who ive always said i am, i don't lie. just cc sometimes forgets to take his medication and starts having paranoid hallucination. and then there are other times when he does take them and he seems fine, fully present, with a relatively firm grip on reality. medicinal consistency is key with his kind of illness.

who are you?

alex

lucille

or of course huntgersburg's right hand.

"lucille doesn't exist."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

aren't you also

lucilleissorry.

yes! that's good! it's all coming back now! i used to be alex09 and then it wasn't 09 anymore and i was watching a lot of arrested development at the time, so i became lucille. you're remembering! baby steps, cc. we're all here rooting for you.

how many different identities?

columbiacounty the fraudster is confused.

lucille and alex, i just told you. remember? it's ok, it happens. but you have to try, cc. focus.

really?

really, cc. all i want you to do is try, that's all anyone expects of you.

what are you trying?

why so many different identities?

hey columbiacounty, your epidermis is showing.

lucille?

lucille?

oh...it you, huntersburg.

of course.

I understand, it's November and a nice 60 degrees outside, so upsetting.

way to slap the old pony.

left hand for sure.

uh oh, w67, columbiacounty called you old.

nope buddy.

it's all you.

and you

and you

and you....

"what are you trying?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1JE7KZdBBU

hmmm...

tubed.

>hmmm...
>tubed.

?

on an unrelated note, god bless david petraeus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/petraeus-emails-reference-sex-desk-article-1.1199953

Oh no, sex and government.

but wait, there's more

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324439804578115410189757452.html

If the FBI can crack the CIA, maybe they can figure out columbiacounty.

I have been riveted by the Petraeus story; I was not surprised by Brett McGurk, but am absolutely shocked about Petraeus. Story just gets more bizarre by the day.

Suspicious

"absolutely shocked about Petraeus" ... how so? lucillebluth moves to a location convenient to McLean, yet far enough for discretion; Petræus betrays Petræus. The lady's a homewrecker. With bioweaponry grocery bags full of deadly micro-organisms.

"the agent in question sent shirtless photos to Ms. Kelley well before the email investigation began, and FBI officials only became aware of them some time later."

this is what jumps out at me

"One asked if Ms. Kelley's husband was aware of her actions, according to officials. In another, the anonymous writer claimed to have watched Ms. Kelley touching "him'' provocatively underneath a table, the officials said.

The message was referring to Mr. Petraeus, but that wasn't clear at the time"

at no point did paula broadwell refer to petraeus by name in these emails. if jill kelley wasn't touching him under the table, how could she have even guessed the "him" in question?

"lucillebluth moves to a location convenient to McLean, yet far enough for discretion"

petraeus isn't my type. but how hilarious is this story. im sorry for the people who are obviously getting hurt, but you just can't make this stuff up, every day brings something even more absurd.

"every day brings something even more absurd."

and hey! speaking of

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/scandal-probe-ensnares-commander-of-us-nato-troops-in-afghanistan/2012/11/13/a2a27232-2d7d-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

jill kelley was banging the general who succeeded petraeus in afganistan. WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? anything? or just a delicious clusterfuck?

"too hard"--has anyone got a flow chart on this?
a blow chart?

On a serious note, i have yet to find a map of the city which shows max penetration and water depth, at peak of the surge--such a map would be helpful in assessing buy/no-buy zones.

Yikes - That was funny, as was CC's reaction to the "pinky and the brain" youtube clip. I am glad that everyone really is as good-natured on here as I believe them to be.

I don't have anything on the map Yikes is looking for, but did anyone see the coverage of Venice yesterday? All the tourists literally swimming in the famous piazzas? See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/venice-floods-photos_n_2115886.html

ive seen venice in a mild flood condition and it's awful--worst is that the water the tourists are swimming in is bio-nasty--ick

>On a serious note, i have yet to find a map of the city which shows max penetration and water depth, at peak of the surge--such a map would be helpful in assessing buy/no-buy zones.

Propertyshark has flood maps for each property you look up, this info actually was one more factor on me deciding to avoid buying in FIDI.

lucille: oh, I thought you were talking to me.

NYCNovice: They look like they're having fun but people should not be swimming in that water.
It was a good photo op but they are going home with nasty infections. The run-off water from the glass-blowing factories on Murano goes into the lagoon during Nov. high-water flooding.
No to mention bacteria from Italian/tourist doody.

re:Pet.
Every time I see Clinton on t.v. I always envision him cigar-shtupping Monica in the Oval Office.
That standard has yet to be one-upped.

"On a serious note, i have yet to find a map of the city which shows max penetration and water depth, at peak of the surge--such a map would be helpful in assessing buy/no-buy zones."

you said penetration

"Pictures of Lily,
LILY, OH LILY..."

"That standard has yet to be one-upped."

director of the cia. with the sexy biographer. under the desk.

"All the tourists literally swimming in the famous piazzas?"

good lord, that's nasty

lucille: That's good -- but no cigar.

lol

Right back at ya, lucille!

The Magic Bus in in your town.
If you need a lift to Brooklyn, it is coming here tomorrow morning.

I think anyone that has lived down in fidi for the last couple years will seriously be thionking about resigning thier lease. This could definitely put upward pressure on non eveacuation zone places. It seems like were in store at least one extreme weather event a year now.

"Well they call it Stormy Monday,
but Tuesday's just as bad..."

all buildings damaged/flooded in the surge, or located close to those that were, will experience a decline in value, relative to those that were not.

sad, yes--but unarguable

I dont get (and I do love the job he's done otherwise) the grandstanding by Cuomo on beating down LIPA. Actually that part I get, what I don't get is why nobody reports the likely reason LIPA was so pedestrian on the storm and their infrastructure.
Everyone forgot they are outsourcing the electric grid come 2014 to PSEG.

Still not a peep about current contractor,London based National Grid. I guuss they have a better PR department than BP.

http://libn.com/2011/12/15/lipa-picks-pseg-to-replace-national-grid-in-2014/

That's what it's all about, truthskr.