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56 leonard Street -desirable location?

Started by GoAqua
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2013
I wrote this earlier but did not get posted for some reason. I was just wondering if this building is in a desirable location in Tribeca. I like Tribeca but this part of Church Street seems like it's no man's land, convenient to nothing.
Response by Yola
almost 13 years ago
Posts: 22
Member since: Apr 2010

It's not 'prime' TriBeCa, but is pretty darn close.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2012

Description is of a 60 story building, so it will become its own magnet. Proper TriBeCa likely wouldn't allow a building of that height.

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Response by jim123
almost 13 years ago
Posts: 121
Member since: May 2008

The area has a Chinatown or "Civic Center" feel. Not at all Tribeca. But agree with greensdale that it will create its own draw. Another luxe condo is planned for 346 Broadway - right around the corner.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 13 years ago
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It is west of church. So certainly prime. Close to subway. Close to TriBeCa grand. Apts look beautiful but not sure I am a fan of this type of architecture.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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>It is west of church. So certainly prime. Close to subway. Close to TriBeCa grand. Apts look beautiful but not sure I am a fan of this type of architecture

Architecture from the outside, or how it manifests itself inside the apartment?

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Response by columbiacounty
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

another post from huntersburg.

why are you hiding?

aren't you proud?

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Response by generalogoun
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2009

Eyesore alert! What a monstrosity on the outside. And on the inside -- the now-obligatory and trendy but inadequately-sized "great room" so you can pay a fortune to live in what amounts to a wigwam. I saw one floor plan with a windowless space labeled "bedroom gallery" -- that is, no windows in the space but someone will stick their child in there and use it as an illegal bedroom. It is beyond how some folks will line up to pay for this dreck but perhaps I am just feeling more than ordinarily curmudgeonly this morning. And I am forgetting, of course, that it was designed by prize-winning architects, so it must be good.

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Response by GoAqua
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2013

My take on these great rooms is that they are proportionately small scale given the size of the apartments. When you subtract the kitchen and island and the large architectural columns, the usable living/dining space is not generous at all.

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Response by malthus
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2009

Great news for ps 234. It is only 30% oversubscribed right now.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 13 years ago
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malthus, not that i am a likely buyer but people who will buy in this building will not care about public schools.

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Response by apt23
almost 13 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2009

300: You would think that young families paying $3000 psf would be very amenable to public schools. Unless you are thinking that when the entire neighborhood is under water when the third 100 year storm hits this decade, that everyone will be home schooling.

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Response by 300_mercer
almost 13 years ago
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apt23, Do you mean that families paying $3000 per sq ft must be stretched financially? My take is that most people who pay $3000 per sq ft have plenty of money remaining to burn. Hence no consideration of public school. Otherwise, no one will buy on CPS.

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Response by greensdale
almost 13 years ago
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>300: You would think that young families paying $3000 psf would be very amenable to public schools. Unless you are thinking that when the entire neighborhood is under water when the third 100 year storm hits this decade, that everyone will be home schooling.

The lady is off her rocker. Now the brand new 60 story building will be under water. The end of the world in apartment 23!

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Response by ApartmentMonkey
about 7 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2010

Why on God’s green earth are these units closing north of $3k per sqft?

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Response by 300_mercer
about 7 years ago
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View, light and high-end finishes. Building a high-rise is time consuming and expensive. There are very few condos in Tribeca less than $1600 per square ft.

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Response by front_porch
about 7 years ago
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300, I would take issue with "very few" -- I am active in Tribeca currently, and I would say there are values to be had, and that even $1300/sf is not impossible. However, 56 Leonard is sui generis -- one could argue that it's a bank vault as much as it is a habitat.

ali r.
{downtown broker}

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Response by 300_mercer
about 7 years ago
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I should have added fully renovated unless you are on or close to Broadway.

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Response by 300_mercer
about 7 years ago
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And this would be one of the “few”. I think pretty good value if you want a large 2 bedroom.
https://streeteasy.com/building/diamond-duane/2e

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 7 years ago
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Which is the neighborhood which has buildings like this one where the difference between the the bottom and the top in terms of $/SF isn't double?

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Response by stache
about 7 years ago
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Lots of problems with this building leaking.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 7 years ago
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No just leaking. If I am remembering correctly there was at least one lawsuit about how flooring was incorrectly installed and promised in-unit amenities were missing.

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Response by Iwouldhitit
about 7 years ago
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Member since: Dec 2008

300_mercer---that place on Duane looks great for that price

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Response by 300_mercer
about 7 years ago
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Personally I like it a lot, price is fair, but most people would want a third bedroom for that square footage. It is a lack of full exposure at the back which is killing it. Also this building does not have the nice facade many loft building in Tribeca have.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 7 years ago
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There's also a restaurant on the first floor.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 6 years ago
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It looks like resales have stalled a bit here:
12 on the market,
4 in contract
8 taken off the market this year (2019)
and only 1 closing so far (and at an 18% loss from 2 years ago)

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Response by 300_mercer
over 6 years ago
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Every buyer is looking at the 18 percent down sale and sellers may not be willing to take that discount yet as what they have is superior and they didn’t overpay. Meanwhile, new developments closer to the water have plenty of supply.

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Response by KeithBurkhardt
over 6 years ago
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Member since: Aug 2008

It's just a very choppy market right now. If you have the right property at the right price you're seeing a lot of activity with multiple bids in some cases (two townhouses we bid on recently in Brooklyn).

That said, there are plenty of other units that are just dead in the water. We're staying busy on the buy side including an accepted offer on a townhouse in Brooklyn along with a couple of other recent transactions.

With our own listings we've seen things slow down quite a bit. Currently one of them is about to go into contract. I'm getting a lot of price reduced emails from brokers, with many looking like very solid and attractive deals.

Just priced a loft in SoHo for someone, not a lot of recent transactions to go on. We have a new condo listing in Brooklyn for a 3-bedroom 3-bath with outdoor space, under $1000 square foot. Very interested to see how our first open house goes today.

We saw some strengthening in the market in the last Urban digs update. But based on the thin transaction volume, I've got to imagine many brokers are facing some serious slow times.

Based on the current state of the economy, low interest rates I thought we would have seen a stronger spring market. That doesn't appear to be happening...yet.

Keith Burkhardt
TBG

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Response by 300_mercer
over 6 years ago
Posts: 10570
Member since: Feb 2007

Digs statistics have not improved further in the last three weeks but have not gone down either. Without being on the ground like you, I see some firming in prices of a couple of new developments in prime locations - essentially much smaller discounts vs late 2018 in $5-7mm 3 bedroom $2500 per sq ft category.

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