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Bank run on Monday/Tuesday

Started by deanc
about 13 years ago
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Looks like the sunday morning talk shows here in the USA skipped over Cyprus bank seizures story. I expect on Monday they will realize....this was kind of a big deal. In the mean time check out the Hitler parody - http://bit.ly/CyprusSeizure I think on Monday......people should expect to hear more about this.
Response by Riversider
about 13 years ago
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Very real concern in some European countries.

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Response by Brooks2
about 13 years ago
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Oh, So I can expect lines to form at the ATMs Monday or Tuesday then.

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Response by greensdale
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Response by Triple_Zero
about 13 years ago
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And look at how the news outlets frame it:

"Cyprus's government was working on a proposal to soften the blow of a bank deposit levy"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/us-cyprus-parliament-idUSBRE92G03I20130318

O benevolent government, how gracious of you to 'soften the blow' by stealing less than you had initially proposed!

This is absolutely disgusting. The government of my own adopted country (Japan) has done just about the same thing, devaluing the yen by 25% in just four months and thus stealing from us on both ends: our savings won't buy as much foreign currency as it always had, and import-related inflation is sure to devalue what we earn in the future as well.

FDR confiscates gold; Zimbabwe makes their dollar worthless; Cyprus steals from your bank account. What's next, G-men with guns breaking into your house and taking 10% of your possessions at gunpoint?

(Full disclosure: I have $110,000 in a bank account; more than two years' pre-tax wages. It had been $120k four months ago, meaning that even four months of aggressive savings has not been enough to replenish what the government stole.)

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Response by deanc
about 13 years ago
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@TripleZero yep i've been trying to convince my friends that inflation = government theft for years....they all run around telling me their apartment is now worth more.

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Response by flarf
about 13 years ago
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I'm having trouble understanding how a USD-denominated savings account lost 8% in four months because of a change in Japanese monetary policy. Of course there's no mention of the 34% climb in the Nikkei in the last four months either.

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Response by Triple_Zero
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Flarf, it isn't USD-denominated. I had ¥9,000,000 when it was 77 yen to the dollar and today have ¥10,500,000 when it's 95 yen to the dollar.

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Response by vic64
about 13 years ago
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Historically one US dollar can exchange for over 100 Yens. It is just getting back to its more normal exchange rate. I would say the 1 US to 77 Yen after a major earthquake in Japan was abnormal. the country would need to spend a lot to reconstruct. If the rate stays at 77 Yen to 1 US dollar, then the Japanese government would be under spending.

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Response by Triple_Zero
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"Historically one US dollar can exchange for over 100 Yens."

Historically, sure, but in the past decade the USA has seen inflation of 20-40% in total, whereas Japan has experienced zero. The purchasing power index thus remains the same if the dollar falls 20-40% against the yen, which it did. Now we've got the yen-dollar rate back where it was a few years ago, but without the yen having lost purchasing power. Guess what's coming next for Japan's CPI. Yen savers are ruined on both ends.

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Response by jason10006
about 13 years ago
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"20-40%". Ummm...yeah. Inflation expert there.

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Response by Triple_Zero
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"Ummm...yeah. Inflation expert there."

If I looked up the exact CPI increase I would get as angry and depressed as I am watching the yen devalue itself, so I went with an estimate. 2-3% per year, compounded, except 2008 which was higher and 2009 which was negative.

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Response by columbiacounty
about 13 years ago
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but, of course there is a significant difference between 20% inflation over 10 yrs and 40%. the 20% is probably about right but doesn't make for as much indignation so why not exaggerate.

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Response by Riversider
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Won't happen. Looks like people thought better of it. Brussels looked at Spain, Putin, etc and they will renegotiate.

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Response by Brooks2
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Hmm no bank run today. Tomorrow?

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Response by greensdale
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indignation, how exciting for C0lumbiaC0unty.

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Response by columbiacounty
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are you the sheriff of greensburg?

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Response by columbiacounty
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or is it the sheriff of hunters dale?

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Response by greensdale
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C0000lumbia C0000wnty!

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Response by columbiacounty
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is that the extent of your contribution?

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Response by greensdale
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h000ray h00ray c0lumbia c0unty!

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Response by columbiacounty
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why?

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Response by greensdale
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Why?
Well it's miserable and snowing outside. The sidewalks are slippery. So, c0ngratulations, this is your evening!

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Response by columbiacounty
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why do you think that SE lets you run wild?

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