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Started by TheTourist
over 12 years ago
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Is it true that you can completely bring down a building even in a landmarked district and build whatever you want on it ? For instance, can you destroy an old townhouse in the middle of other townhouses in the Little Italy historic district and build a glass condo on the land ?
Response by ab_11218
over 12 years ago
Posts: 2017
Member since: May 2009

you have to go in front of the Landmark committee. if they let you, fat chance in hell, you can do it.

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Response by pier45
over 12 years ago
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Member since: May 2009

You can do what the guy on East 62nd did and leave your beloved a fresh building space.

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Response by architecta
over 12 years ago
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Member since: Mar 2012

I am pretty sure you can't build "whatever you want" anywhere, and somehow convincing LPC to let you tear down a building in a landmark district would be near impossible. Then you'd have to deal with the community board, etc etc etc...

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Response by Aaron2
over 12 years ago
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It can be extremely difficult, but do-able, for some restricted version of 'whatever you want'. The zoning and use of the specific lot within the district can also make it easier: churches and schools have more latitude in their use. I've found community boards to be of limited use in opposing significant change, and LPC is not immune to pressures from other neighborhood organizations (which have often have overlapping memberships and directors) and the paid-for testimony of experts who will claim the design is 'appropriate' (I'm looking at you, Berkeley-Carroll School).

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Response by TheTourist
over 12 years ago
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Ok, look what I found for instance:

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/building/44-mercer-street-new_york

They built it on top of a regular cast iron building. Also, the building does not even abide by local zoning rules, it is 7 stories in a zone where the FAR is supposed to be 5...

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Response by NWT
over 12 years ago
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http://archive.citylaw.org/lpc/permit/2004/044161.pdf

FAR of 5 doesn't mean it has to be 5 stories. It means the square feet can be up to 5x the square feet of the lot. Seven stories sounds about right.

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Response by nyc10023
over 12 years ago
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First, I'm not sure that Little Italy is landmarked - you need to go to the LPC website to figure that out. There's always the intriguing possibility of demolishing a building overnight (I believe Macklowe did it once) or slowly defacing a building and then there is nothing left to preserve. Not sure what the LPC can do in those instances if the ability to build new is worth more than penalties (I'm not even sure if the LPC can fine anyone).

In the case of 44 Mercer and any landmarked building, you can always add a glassy penthouse addition. Visibility from the street, what neighboring buildings have done, etc. all play a role in LPC approval

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Response by nyc10023
over 12 years ago
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Some buildings which are landmarked have already been so substantially altered by the time of landmarking, that it is quite possible that the LPC would approve an all-new glass building.

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