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Sale at 115 Christopher Street #7FL

Started by Hkdermmd
over 12 years ago
Posts: 5
Member since: Jan 2011
Discussion about 115 Christopher Street #7
Pros Open city views Village Location Full floor Private Roofdeck Cons Needs to be gutt renovated. Not 2000sf as listed. I measured it with a laser devise (Bosh model that appraisers use) Exact measure L 79' X W 22' = 1738sf. However, unfortunately that includes the stairwells and elevator (7'x18'), The actual living space is 1600sf, 400 les than listed. So likely cost of renovations 400x1600=$640 000 Bar downstairs ( open until 4 am) and neighbors can hear base in the bathroom. Shared water tank, Occasionally cold water at night. Lobby smells like bar.. Few sex shops on the block.
Response by Nah
over 12 years ago
Posts: 85
Member since: Feb 2008

Ah, yes, this place. Forgot all about it. Still a cool million, minimum, overpriced and that's after a recent $300k price drop. They would be very lucky to part with the place at $2.85mm. I have trouble understanding how they established the initial listing price.

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Response by NYCMatt
over 12 years ago
Posts: 7523
Member since: May 2009

I have trouble understanding who the hell would pay seven figures to live on Christopher Street.

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Response by Bill7284
over 12 years ago
Posts: 631
Member since: Feb 2009

Agree, with all of the above. It kind of feels nostalgic in the sense that this is what I was feeling right at the beginning of the last bubble.

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Response by TheTourist
over 12 years ago
Posts: 134
Member since: Apr 2012

Areas are always grossly overestimated. Gross to net is typically a 20% shrinkage.
The 4 am bar downstairs and the lack of light seem like bigger problems to me.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 12 years ago
Posts: 10577
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Hk, Hate to break it to you but most full floor lofts these days are listed as gross area including non-shared walls, stairs and elevator. Let us say the building size is 25x85 including 3 foot thick walls. If you own a full floor, you share is 2125 sq ft. Naturally some of the space is not useable, Most new condos include the exterior walls and very thick columns as well. At the end of the day, if you thing the property is 1600 sq ft, bid accordingly but do not forget to use the same measurement standard for your comps. This will mean you will have to haircut most loft comps by 20 percent.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 12 years ago
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Here is an example of how condos sq footage were calculated back in the day. You can find the space.

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/870107-condo-1-irving-place-gramercy-park-new-york

Similar size but listed as much bigger size. Try finding 800 sq ft,

http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/887245-condo-101-west-24th-street-chelsea-new-york

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Response by Truth
over 12 years ago
Posts: 5641
Member since: Dec 2009

Correct, 300_mercer.
Try, just try, Hk.

Good luck with that and also when you finally decide to look elsewhere for the reality and quality-of-life that you will be satisfied with.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 12 years ago
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Truth, Where did you end up buying. If I remember correctly from early 2011 you were looking at lofts in TriBeCa.

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Response by Hkdermmd
over 12 years ago
Posts: 5
Member since: Jan 2011

Anyone knows if the bar downstairs is just a gay bar or is it a gay striptease bar?

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Response by selyanow
over 12 years ago
Posts: 132
Member since: Dec 2007

Mostly a gay bar, but with some dancers. um, so I hear....

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Response by kylewest
over 12 years ago
Posts: 4455
Member since: Aug 2007

There are still actually gay bars in GV?

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Response by selyanow
over 12 years ago
Posts: 132
Member since: Dec 2007

Still a couple left kylewest but in a 2 block radius based on my quick observation lol

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Response by Hkdermmd
over 12 years ago
Posts: 5
Member since: Jan 2011

so 3 895 000/1600sf= 2437/sf (not 2000sf)
Is $400/sf a fair estimation for gut renovation or is it more like $450/sf??
That would bring the bill up to $2837/sf.....hmmmm

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Response by alanhart
over 12 years ago
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There are still actual Gays?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 12 years ago
Posts: 10577
Member since: Feb 2007

hk, Care to explain why you are still interested when you think it is really overpriced. It is not that you are a regular poster.

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Response by Nah
over 12 years ago
Posts: 85
Member since: Feb 2008

Agree with 300 Mercer. Drop a bid for $2.35mm if you're genuinely interested and then be done with it. That's around $1450 a sf, which is already way too much, if it's really 1600sf or $1200 a sf @ 2000sf. Nonetheless, after now realizing that the roof is not private to the 7th floor I say getting $2.35mm-$2.4mm is a stretch.

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Response by Hkdermmd
over 12 years ago
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I just would like to know what a realistic number would be for gut renovating something like this and how many months I would have to pay double rent before moving in.

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