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Bankruptcy Case Poses Risk to Stabilized Tenants

Started by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
about 12 years ago
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/21/nyregion/widows-bankruptcy-case-poses-risk-to-millions-with-rent-stabilized-leases.html "The issue, pending before the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, is whether a rent-stabilized lease can be treated as an asset in a personal bankruptcy, just like a car or a piece of land, and used to pay off creditors." (She has a 2-bedroom apartment in the East Village for $703 per month.)
Response by Admin2009
about 11 years ago
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There's always risk involved here

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Response by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
about 11 years ago
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The NY State Court of Appeals finally ruled on this case: rent-stabilized leases are public assistance not assets. Hence they cannot be used in bankruptcy. Ms. Santiago's son will be able to inherit her lease on a 2-bedroom apartment in the East Village currently renting at $703 per month.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/nyregion/rent-stabilized-lease-cant-be-seized-in-bankruptcy-new-york-state-court-rules.html?_r=0

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Response by alanhart
about 11 years ago
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Public GOOD.
Good!

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Response by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
about 11 years ago
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So all you rent-stabilized tenants are on public assistance! It's a strange public assistance program that has no income limits when the rent is below $2500/month (and an income limit of $200k/year if the rent goes above $2500/month. ) So there are some wealthy people on public assistance. And who ever heard of a public assistance program whose benefits can be "inherited" by a family member for life?

If rent stabilization is public assistance, then shouldn't the public be paying for it out of their taxes?

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Response by NWT
about 11 years ago
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We are. The RE taxes for a rental building are based on income. The landlord pays less, so the rest of us pay more. OK by me.

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Response by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
about 11 years ago
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Is it OK by you that there are no income limits if the rent is below $2500/month? How can it be a public assistance program if it is not based on need?

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Response by NWT
about 11 years ago
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Lots of public assistance isn't based on need. The tax code is full of them. E.g., my living in the RE I own throws off about $42,000 per year in tax-free income.

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Response by NWT
about 11 years ago
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Or take that $88,000,000 apartment at 15 CPW. They save $68,000 per year in RE taxes via a 421a abatement, intended to incent development in slummy neighborhoods.

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Response by 9d8b7988045e4953a882
about 11 years ago
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I am opposed to anyone receiving public assistance except in unusual situations where someone is truly in need. That includes rent stabilization, special tax deductions targeted towards specific groups, 421a, and on and on.

Also, public assistance should be clearly funded, so the taxpayers/voters know how much it costs. The rent stabilization program is funded through a hidden tax (tax breaks for owners of stabilized buildings resulting in higher taxes for everyone else). Someone would be hard pressed to define the exact cost of rent stabilization to the taxpayer.

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Response by gothamsboro
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>I am opposed to anyone receiving public assistance except in unusual situations where someone is truly in need.

What about people who pay no taxes on their income from municipal bonds?

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