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building at 200 East 84th Street

Started by mote561
over 9 years ago
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Member since: May 2007
Why is the maintenance so high in this building? It has no amenities (gym/children's room etc.), and even the rooftop which recently was re-done, is pretty basic. It also has a Duane Reade to generate income...
Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 9 years ago
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Are you sure that the Duane Reade is generating income for the Coop and not the Sponsor?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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$2.5 per sq ft per month is not high any more. Taxes keep going up. Live in super certainly suggests plenty of staffing. New condos are all $ 2.5 min maintenance and taxes combined without abatement.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 9 years ago
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i was just having a discussion today with someone in my office about how the maintenance in his Coop used to be 25% comprised of Real Estate taxes and now it is 62%.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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I know. Typically 50% of maintenance is taxes for coop now. For taxes to be 62%, it must be a non-doorman coop.

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Response by miriamg
over 9 years ago
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Member since: Jan 2012

how do you know what percentage of the maintenance is taxes?

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Response by NWT
over 9 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

Calculate it from the RE-tax and total-expense numbers from the financials. Or go by the %-deductible number from the listing, but that'll also include interest on any underlying mortgage.

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Response by truthskr10
over 9 years ago
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My co-op maintenance is @ 80% tax.
But we run a tight ship, plus no underlying mortgage. Elevator, no doorman.

New developments are really skewing condos as when those 10 year tax abatements end you find yourself absurdly way over average.

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Response by truthskr10
over 9 years ago
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Those elliman quarterly reports used to tell you average price per square foot for co-ops and condos but are now missing from those reports. (at least the last quarterly it was).
THe last one I remember about a year ago had both condos and co-ops around between $1.70 and $1.80.

Of course average includes non doormen walkups all the way to concierge, elevator and morning croissant buildings. An elevator part time doorman building should be about average.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Truth, nice numbers. Do you have full time super and a managing agent? Do you have frequent assessments?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 9 years ago
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"For taxes to be 62%, it must be a non-doorman coop."
No, it has a doorman, but they also own the retail space.

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Response by fieldschester
over 9 years ago
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30 trumps 300

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Response by truthskr10
over 9 years ago
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300 I have a managing agent, part time super.
No assessments in the 5 years Ive owned.
We have a substantial fund from flip taxes that takes care of local laws 10/11, new boiler, etc.
We've also managed to not raise maintenance the last 2 years.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Truth, Thanks. That seems fantastic. I would like to learn more about how you can manage the coop so efficeliently. Would you like to connect offline. I would like to incorporate some of the efficiency in our coop where taxes aRe appx 55 percent with no doorman but full time super.

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Response by truthskr10
over 9 years ago
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sure, give me an email address to write to

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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300streeteasy@gmail.com. Look forward to it.

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