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Extend lease by a few months. Please help :(

Started by oolala
over 9 years ago
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My current lease (of a year) was supposed to end on 7/31 but I only extended it by 2 months ( I asked them for 3 months but the leasing office manager told me the landlord only agreed on 2 months, which I dont understand) and now my lease is ending on 9/30. But I need to extend it again by three months til December because my plan to move back home changed a bit... But I am really worried if they... [more]
Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Pay a little extra - say 25+% more than monthly rent for the extra month. It is very difficult to find a tenant after Thanksgiving. Hence, likely resistance from the landlord.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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oh no......!

but the rent is already too much I dont think I can pay even more. :(
what about until January or Novermber? before Thanksgiving?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Check if there are vacancies in the building. If there are many, they may just extend it. In the worst case if the negotiations fail, you can tell them that you can not move and send them a check. Please check the impact on your credit. I do not think it should be any. Please do realize that summer is the peak rental period for landlords and it is harder to rent during any other time of the year.

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Response by RealEstateNY
over 9 years ago
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IMO possession is nine tenths of the law. By the time they evict you, you will have moved.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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There are potential repercussions of this. Lack of reference from previous landlord. Potential impact of credit if landlord is revengeful and says that for the extra month pay a high month to month rent etc. Eviction notice which employers may have access to. Best to work it out with the landlord.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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I'm not a citizen so I don't have credit anyway, how does it work in this way?

I asked the leading manager and she said she doesn't think it will work because "I already extended by 2 months" but will ask anyway.

if the landlord decideds not to give me the extension but I don't move out and send them a check, is that illegal thing to do? I'd honestly be too scared to do this but I really really need the place for a few extra months...

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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leasing*

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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In that case, just keep pressuring them that you can not move out one month before move out date. They will keep sending you notices etc. Best to tell them that you will pay a couple of hundred extra per month to let you stay a little longer. Usually month-to-month leases are 20-25% higher in rent.

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Response by Admin2009
over 9 years ago
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no credit
no leasing reference . . . anymore

you might as well declare bankruptcy as well , really ruin your future

good luck , let us know how it ends

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 9 years ago
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They may care exactly when they get the apartment back because certain months will be much easier for them to re-rent the unit than others, so they may specifically be trying not to have it available in the 4th quarter. there is nothing illegal about you sending them a rent check and if they cash it they may be deemed to have accepted you as a month to month tenant.

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Response by Flutistic
over 9 years ago
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30yrs is right as always. It is perfectly fine for you to keep sending checks, but management might be too smart to cash them. Or, maybe they are too distracted to notice. Worth a try, I'd say.

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Response by Flutistic
over 9 years ago
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The rental market basically dies on Halloween (Oct 31), and your LL certainly knows it. There's one more thing you could try. Verify that the apartment is for sale, if that's what you meant, and tell leasing lady you will make sure the apartment is beautiful during showings, and available with 4 hours's notice. You'll even write that down and sign it for them. OTOH if they are looking for a new tenant, not buyer, then they want more rent and it's easy for you to get more time there if you can pay more.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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Until when is the market dead? if the market dies on Halloween, isn't it better for them to let me extend until the end of the year?

And they are looking for a tenant - what if I extend until 1/31? would that make it any better?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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1/31 is def more palatable for the landlord as some people look to upgrade around that time.

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Response by fieldschester
over 9 years ago
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If you can't work it out amicably, move out.
What neighborhood is this in - some neighborhoods have alternative ways of dealing with errant tenants.
What floor are you on? While eviction takes time and actually throwing you out on the street is illegal (but see my prior question) there are common elements that you may not be able to use, such as the elevator, so while they can't restrict you from entering the lobby, using the stairs, elevator could be off limits to you. And other amenities.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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they replied they can't do it until December and that I have to move out in September... I asked if there's any other option but the leasing lady just won't ask the landlord all of my questions and it takes forever to hear back while my apt is already on open house.

What's the best thing I can do right now?

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Do not let them show as a start!!

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Check what they take to break the lease. How much deposit do they have?

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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I know... but they will show it anyway. The management is pretty big and does everything in order.
They have one month's which is about $3000.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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Where do I check that? I can't find it in the lease...

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Response by 300_mercer
over 9 years ago
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Just talk to the big boss of the rental company and try to work it out. They will likely charge you some extra rent which you should be willing to pay given your situation. Or you can get a lawyer and play hard ball which will be more expensive for you. In any case, you should change the locks and stop the landlord access for showing.

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Response by oolala
over 9 years ago
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I would love to talk to the landlord directly but they won't let me do it. I asked them if there's any way I can talk to him and they said "no"... it's so frustrating. I can't even get his contact.

Isn't changing locks prohibited during the lease ?!!!

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Response by fieldschester
over 9 years ago
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Yes, changing the locks is prohibited by the lease and the Multiple Dwelling Law.
You'd also be surprised how easy it is for the landlord to conclude that there's an "emergency" requiring breaking the door (yes, the door, not just the locks) to gain access simply because the landlord couldn't get access and couldn't get a hold of you for access.
Then, watch out, broken door, lease violation, eviction papers filed, you are soon to leave the country so you have limited ability to pursue your rights, even if the courts had one shred of sympathy for you.
I would take 300_mercer's advice for what it is worth from a guy who over-stretched on last home purchase and today finds himself unemployed from a failed hedge fund.

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Response by bryantpark
over 9 years ago
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If the landlord wanted to be bothered by tenants, he wouldn't have appointed a management company. Their entire raison d'etre is to prevent you from annoying the landlord.

You don't seem to think the end date on the lease should apply to you, so why would feel any differently about a prohibition on changing the locks?

Apartments can attract a monthly rent of a few hundred dollars more per month when leased in the summer, so your landlord wants to do that, for one or more years - that's what you're competing with. Either you need to pay them enough for the next few months that they don't care about the leasing it for less in winter, or possibly you can lease it for a year and then deal with finding a new tenant in winter and transferring the lease to a subtenant yourself.

Also, if you're leaving NY / the US permanently, and are so reluctant move somewhere short-term, you could seriously consider renewing for a year at a decent monthly rate (if that's available to you), and then just leaving whenever you feel like it. You'd lose your deposit, probably end up on the tenant blacklist, but unlikely to be anything much worse than that.

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