Market correction
Started by muromec
over 8 years ago
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I am noticing more and more that rents are going down all over the place. Rental prices are lower now than 2014: https://www.zumper.com/apartments-for-rent/new-york-ny At the same time i am looking at the apartment prices @ Kalahari or Adeline , 40 west 116th str and 23 west 116th str. Prices went up 60 % on all apartments 1 br-3 br but rents went up approximately 20-30 % at the same time. I am talking about 2008-2014 and now.And now when rents are going down and it is getting difficult to rent out an apartment in addition to mismatch of price appreciation, should we expect a market correction very soon?
look at the bottom of the link page for market trends
I think high $ amount rents (over 10k per month) are down 10-15 percent). Ultra luxury (more than 20k per month) 25 percent. Not sure if 1 bed rooms are down that much. 2 bedrooms (6-7k) probably did not go up much or are down a touch.
Rents are actually down more than the statistics suggest because you have to figure in the boom in concessions (owners paying broker's fees and free rent).
so based on the above , the market should go down , correct?
That is what I have been saying on here for a while.
So when will some of these nice west side Manhattan new developments start trading below $2,000 PPSF? It's still no bargain. Not sure who they expect to pick up all of this supply.
Thought 1 West End is around $2k level.
Last winter I saw rents go down 15% to 20%. I am already seeing rents go down and expect the same softness this winter. Contrary to all the hype and the NYT is the biggest culprit of hype I think rents will go much lower. Starting salaries are lower, there is a ton of new inventory on the market and parents of millennials are realizing how ridiculous it is that they fund their kids barely working in luxury housing.
https://ny.curbed.com/2017/8/2/16082774/nyc-vacancy-brooklyn-manhattan-rentals
If the NYC rental vacancy rate goes above 5%, I wonder if that will affect the postwar "housing emergency" as defined in the rent stabilization laws. Does anyone with legal knowledge have any insight into that?
http://www.nycrgb.org/html/about/intro%20PDF/Table1.pdf
Nothing stopping passage of a new act which puts a stay. Something like - vacancy needs to be sustained over a period of x years.
http://www.nycrgb.org/html/about/intro%20PDF/Table2.pdf
https://therealdeal.com/2018/05/04/summer-rental-surge-wont-be-strong-enough-to-impact-concessions/
https://www.6sqft.com/cynthia-nixons-rent-justice-for-all-platform-would-extend-rent-stabilization-and-boost-tenant-protection/
https://therealdeal.com/2018/05/10/price-pressure-skewed-inventory-continue-to-drive-up-concessions-in-manhattan-rentals/