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Started by KISS
over 7 years ago
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I'm seriously considering installing herringbone flooring in the common areas - LR, DR, kitchen and foyer - which altogether measure roughly 600 sq feet. The flooring store offers a 4 inch by 20 inch size, as well as 6 x 24. Thoughts on either size, as well as any other considerations? Fwiw, the rest of the apt is approximately another 1000 sq feet (BRs and halls) and would have 8 inch wide plank flooring.
Response by FireDragon
over 7 years ago
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I did chevron pattern in 4*20 in the living room, and have 4" planks everywhere else. They look good together. I'm not sure how well it works with super wide planks.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 7 years ago
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I have 5x25. If 6, I would get 30 long and install so that the corner of the herringbone is parallel to the walls. If you are looking for a supplier, czarfloors makes them in all sizes unfinished. 4-6 weeks lead time.

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Response by FireDragon
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To pick the size, I also took into consideration the width of my living room. I wanted the "arrows" to run along the length of the room, and I wanted there to be roughly a round number of "arrows". It looks like "^^^^^^" looking along the length of the room.

Each "arrow", formed by two pieces placed diagonally, has a width of sqrt(2)*length. So in my case it's a little over 28" wide. My living room is ~14' wide so I have 6 rows.

The flooring guy drew a center line in the living room and laid out the middle row from there, so the pattern is symmetric.

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Response by FireDragon
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To pick the size, I also took into consideration the width of my living room. I wanted the "arrows" to run along the length of the room, and I wanted there to be roughly a round number of "arrows". It looks like "^^^^^^" looking along the length of the room.

Each "arrow", formed by two pieces placed diagonally, has a width of sqrt(2)*length. So in my case it's a little over 28" wide. My living room is ~14' wide so I have 6 rows.

The flooring guy drew a center line in the living room and laid out the middle row from there, so the pattern is symmetric.

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Response by FireDragon
over 7 years ago
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To pick the size, I also took into consideration the width of my living room. I wanted the "arrows" to run along the length of the room, and I wanted there to be roughly a round number of "arrows". It looks like "^^^^^^" looking along the length of the room.

Each "arrow", formed by two pieces placed diagonally, has a width of sqrt(2)*length. So in my case it's a little over 28" wide. My living room is ~14' wide so I have 6 rows.

The flooring guy drew a center line in the living room and laid out the middle row from there, so the pattern is symmetric.

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Response by FireDragon
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Sorry about the multiple posts.

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Response by ximon
over 7 years ago
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With wide planks, I like variable widths and lengths to get a more rustic, antique look. Also, finished with four coats of linseed oil mixed with polyurethane, hand rubbed. Major PITA but looked amazing.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Kiss, May I ask why herringbone and wide plank combo rather than all one type?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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The wider the planks, the more I might be inclined to go with Chevron over herringbone.

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Response by tribby
over 7 years ago
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300 and firedragon,

Do you know the rough costs per sq ft for chevron/herringbone for materials and installation? I'm sure you worked through a contractor for this but any chance you have the flooring subcontractor's contact? Do you like their work so far and any issues at all with the installation? Any pics would be greatly appreciated. I love pointe d'hongrie floors (Paris-style, beveled - ok i know dust would accumulate) but I've only seen 1 or 2 apartments in NY with this style.

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Response by KISS
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300, I have always like the aesthetic of herringbone floors (perhaps being a Europhile). The apt is a postwar that had parquet floors originally. The previous owner replaced the parquet with the wide plank flooring in the common areas (which I'm now contemplating to pull up and install herringbone) and curiously in only one of the BRs. The other two BRs have an older WTW carpeting I'd pull up and install the wide plank flooring to match the one update BR.

The transition from the common areas to the BRs is a doorway to a hall, so my thinking was that there would not be much visual connection between the two spaces. And I thought I'd seen other apts done that way, i.e., herringbone (which is more expensive) in the entertaining areas, and regular wood in the private areas.

I appreciate all the great feedback. I'm inclined (as of now but have to decide by tmw EOD) to go with the narrower 4 inch for the herring bone as I don't think my space has the grand scale for a larger width.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Tribby, Install pre-finished is appx $10-12 per sq ft (2-3 times regular floors) plus contractor mark up. It also depends on how much cutting they have to do. With borders, it may be slightly cheaper. Larger rooms are cheaper.

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Response by FireDragon
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You can see the material pricing on czarfloors.com. Mine is a bit more because I got rifted and quartersawn. Not sure about the installation cost, because I had both Chevron and plank installation and they're all lumped together. Judging from the time spent it can be easily three times more. They were very careful about getting it right.

I don't get the beveled part: do you need to go prefinished for that?

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Response by 300_mercer
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Tribby, You can email me at 300streeteasy@gmail.com. I will send you pictures.

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Response by tribby
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Thanks guys!
Beveled is very hard and probably has to be custom made. Can't afford the Walker tower but the floor there is very close to what I have in mind (check it out: https://streeteasy.com/building/walker-tower/11cd?card=1) - as you can see there's "gaps" between the planks which is unlike a lot of new chevron floors these days. I think that's due to the beveled planks but please correct me if I'm wrong. Does anyone know the flooring contractor for the Walker tower? lol.

KISS: I dont think you should go with chevron/herringbone based on your situation. 8inch wide plank in the rest of the apartment to me gives out a very different feel from apts with chev/herringbone floor. Why dont you go with 8 inch planks for the rest?

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Response by 300_mercer
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Tribby, You like gaps. That will happen as the floors expand and contract.

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Response by 300_mercer
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If they are pre-finished as mine are. I have been told that site-finished do expand and contract as much - guessing as the full surface is sealed with no gaps.

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Response by tribby
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...or rip out everything do the 4x20 herringbone and 4'' planks

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Response by tribby
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300: i have seen even engineered floors expand and contract with the extreme weather/humidity changes in NY. However, if you look carefully at the Walker tower floors, the gaps are very even and deliberate so my thoughts are it's the beveled style. Look at this Paris listing (https://www.nytimes.com/real-estate/fra/pa/paris/homes-for-sale/paris-17th-district-a-75-sqm-apartment-in-a-prime-location/12987-F1805041841700048#)
These can't just be gaps from expansion/contraction IMO.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Micro bevels are standard on all pre-finished. That what you are seeing. In addition, they will expand and contract making the gaps wider during NY winter but that will not happen in Walker tower as it is humidity controlled.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Send me an email. I will send you links to my floors.

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Response by 300_mercer
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You can also order distressed look which is partially what you are see in Paris link in addition to floors showing their age.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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My personal taste is that I don't like gaps in flooring, and I hate the bevels (and again my personal opinion, but I think in general the bevels scream "engineered flooring"). I'll also say that to some extent "you get what you pay for" in the sense that way back in 1994 I paid $18/SF to have white oak 15" x 2 1/4" herringbone installed and it had pretty close to 0 gap and never had any expansion/contraction issues, gaps, etc. But I will also state that I think odds are the wider the boards that you use, the more issues you are going to have with gaps, expansion/contraction, etc.

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Response by 300_mercer
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I hope $18/sq ft included the cost of flooring and finishing. $10-12 number I gave is without finishing which will add another $3 before contractor mark up.

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