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Penthouses at the Puck Building

Started by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 6 years ago
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Discussion about 293 Lafayette Street #PH1
These have been on and off the market for around half a decade. This one was originally asking $66 million. How will it do with a 35% reduction?
Response by George
over 6 years ago
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IDK, but anyone advertising a $45m apartment by mentioning the appliance manufacturers deserves a 35% price chop.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 6 years ago
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What about bunk bed? Seems short of bed rooms.

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Response by ph41
over 6 years ago
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The bedrooms are on the other floor of the duplex. The apartments look fabulous and as if Kushner thought he and Ivanka would live there. He definitely overbuilt in a less than prime location on top of what is essentially a commercial building. His real estate instincts obviously aren’t great .

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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One plus is that it's not across the street from a gas station anymore (or is that a minus?).

Trivia: it was the last gas station in Manhattan which had free air.

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Response by front_porch
over 6 years ago
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1) This isn't a broker I'd bet against and 2) what are you going to mention, if you're not going to mention La Cornue (kind of surprised that there isn't a better picture of it though)

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Response by 300_mercer
over 6 years ago
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The location is true downtown vs what Bezos bought and it is a beautiful historic building. Selling price in this price range is hard but call is $4K per sq ft including 50 percent allowance for outdoor space. Perhaps some discount ($1-2mm) as it is not brand new.

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Response by 300_mercer
over 6 years ago
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So, one can get north of $35mm easily when they are not the one paying for it.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 6 years ago
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I think it might be difficult to overcome lack of cachet for the building. Compare to 443 Greenwich St which has the rep of being a celeb magnet. What's the rep here? I don't think the association with Jared Kushner helps unless the sale is to some oligarch thinking they will be buying access. I also think no one wants to be the first (only?) Buyer in a building, and while I haven't seen the Offering Plan my guess is that that collective penthouse owners will never have a majority say in what goes on in the building vs the commercial owners (why I would also never buy in one of these hybrid condo/rental buildings where the rental be portion has a huge vote).

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Response by ph41
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> 30 - absolutely right on.

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> 30 - absolutely right on.

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> 30 - absolutely right on.

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> 30 - absolutely right on.

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> 30 - absolutely right on.

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Response by ph41
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would be better off renting here

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Response by 300_mercer
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Just looked at previous sales. PH3 sold for 18mm. $3500 per square ft. 6 unit condo and several others sold.

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Response by 300_mercer
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Response by 300_mercer
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Sold for $28mm in 2016. $5k per sq ft. Ultra luxury market down 20 percent since then. So $4k per square ft seems reasonable ballpark.
https://streeteasy.com/sale/1118097

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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So another 30% off?

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Response by 300_mercer
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No. You have to count some percentage of outdoor space. Counting 50 percent, the penthouse is close to 10k sq ft. While the market at this $ price end is highly illiquid and it is very hard to say where it will sell, the listing price seems reasonable and I would say broker has done a good job of comps and reflecting current ultra luxury market conditions. If I had the money to spend at this level and need for space, I would live in puck building rather than suburban 443 Greenwich or 212 Fifth. This location has soul and character.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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I think you might be overestimating the location - on Houston St and Lafayette St - and not discounting enough for the oddity of living in a commercial building. It's closer to 262 Mott St in nature than 212 5th or 443 Greenwich.

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Response by stache
over 6 years ago
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Yes. This location is extremely high traffic and even if you are 3X paned, your outdoor experience would be noisy.

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