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What is the premium for the twist?

Started by Rinette
about 2 years ago
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maybe it's working ... lots listed In Contract.
Response by steve123
about 2 years ago
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2BRs start for less than I would have expected.

But it continues to amaze me how far out of budget family sized apartments are for 99.9% of people.

3BR has a 20% per sq ft premium over the 2BRs, making the total price 2x..

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Response by inonada
about 2 years ago
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Are you really comparing apples to apples, steve123? Smaller apts are typically given lesser locations. For example, if you’re talking about the cheapest 2BR:

https://streeteasy.com/building/one-high-line/east11e

Versus the cheapest 3BR:

https://streeteasy.com/building/one-high-line/west11a

The latter has a much better view, corner exposure, etc.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 2 years ago
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Remember it's in turnaround/workout.The site was purchased May 2015, construction commenced September 2016, and the original developers began sales in May 2018. So they really need to move sales along and can't hold out for the last nickel like they were selling preconstruction.

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Response by steve123
about 2 years ago
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@nada - well that's kind of the thing right, you can't compare apples to apples because they sliced up the building such that the only 3BRs are more "premium".

My condo is quite similar, 50% 1bed/studio, 40% 2BRs, 10% 3BRs.. but all the 3BRs are highest floors / best views / outdoor space / etc. So the cheapest 3BR was ~2x the typical 2BR while only being 30-50% bigger.

It's as if the only 3-row SUVs were made by Mercedes while the 2-row SUV market was saturated by every American, Japanese and Korean maker.

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Response by inonada
about 2 years ago
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In this building, the 2BRs seem priced in the $2500-3000 ppsf range while the 3BRs seem to occupy the $3000-3500 ppsf range.

I take your point that there is no $2500 ppsf option for 3BR with (say) 1600 sq ft for $4M. But I think this is probably a reflection of where ultra lux new dev customers are at: it’s just not a product that generates much interest.

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Response by 300_mercer
about 2 years ago
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I do like the finishes. Glamorous and contemporary. Especially the generous use of indirect lighting in the bathrooms. Very fitting for that area.

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Response by Rinette
about 2 years ago
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The twist means that the windows and support structure is in different relative places for each floor, which could mean that everything but the top floors are not optimized for the right interior layout.

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Response by Rinette
about 2 years ago
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The twist means that the windows and support structure is in different relative places for each floor, which could mean that everything but the top floors are not optimized for the right interior layout.

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Response by Aaron2
about 2 years ago
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It's really interesting to compare the floorplans for the same line apartments -- in theory they're more or less above each other, but the floorplan for each unit is significantly different. In the plans on SE, you can see the position of the unit in relation to the floorplate - in the west tower, compare 28A , 26A, 16A, and 5A. (you will have to adjust orientation as they're not presented consistently). 28 gains a large BR over 26, but loses two big WICs, plus some other bits and pieces added/subtracted. 28 and 5 are vaguely related but in a cousin-y not brother-y way. Props to the plumbing and structural engineers!

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Response by Krolik
about 2 years ago
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I rarely appreciate apartments in weird-shaped buildings from the inside. Any room shaped not as a rectangle is tricky to furnish, and i have been in apartments where non-right angles made me feel uncomfortable. Not saying this building is not great, just observing that odd shapes are tricky to pull off.

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Response by Aaron2
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In almost all the floorplans I looked at, they managed to have only 1 wall out of square with the rest, typically the exterior windowed one, and not excessively so. In many ways, they are rather ordinary floorplans, but in a visually interesting building. 18a, for example, is the bog-standard econobox (well, w/ powder room and w/d, but still). 8D is quirkier, but still, rectangular rooms with 1 transition.

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Response by Rinette
about 2 years ago
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Did they determine the direction of the twist based on the direction of earth's rotation? Would it need to be the other way if in the southern hemisphere?

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Response by stache
about 2 years ago
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Bjarke does a lot of acid.

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Response by Rinette
about 2 years ago
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>In this building, the 2BRs seem priced in the $2500-3000 ppsf range while the 3BRs seem to occupy the $3000-3500 ppsf range.

And negatively impacting values at The Caledonia just a couple blocks south
eg https://streeteasy.com/building/the-caledonia/1608

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Response by steve123
about 2 years ago
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Caledonia looks like a @nada special
You can buy unit 1709 for $4M and end up with almost $30k monthlies (after ~$1M down & closing costs)...
Or you could rent 1709 for $15k/month..

Has been on market over a year now.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
about 2 years ago
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steve123,
I'm sure that's due to One High Line ... Not.

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Response by Rinette
over 1 year ago
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Response by Rinette
about 1 year ago
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How is the twist doing lately?

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Response by Rinette
8 months ago
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this one seeming to take a while to close
https://streeteasy.com/building/one-high-line/westph36

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Response by Rinette
8 months ago
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finally

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