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Maintenance Reduction for LL11?

Started by UE98
12 months ago
Posts: 100
Member since: Jan 2013
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Sorry in advance for the long post... I have been living in my prewar UES co-op since 2017, and for the second time during my tenancy the building is currently undergoing Local Law 11 facade work. The first time I experienced it, the work lasted nearly a year because of endless delays. This time around, the board/management has communicated it will supposedly be about 6 months of work, ending in... [more]
Response by Rinette
12 months ago
Posts: 645
Member since: Dec 2016

When you bought the apartment, did you know it was on the second floor? Did you know that New York City has a Local Law 11? Are you aware that if you live near JFK that you'll hear airplanes with frequency?

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Response by UptownSpecialist
12 months ago
Posts: 139
Member since: May 2013

Many 1st and 2nd floor owners get screwed during LL11 as well as some owners with terraces. Don't like it- join the board to minimize disruption during the next cycle by cracking the whip on the managing agent, other board members, engineers, and contractors. I have managed local law 11 repairs during 2 cycles and found way too much delay from the engineers overpromising on the timelines.

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Response by multicityresident
12 months ago
Posts: 2421
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Welcome to NY!

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Response by steve123
12 months ago
Posts: 895
Member since: Feb 2009

I think also, having sat on a board - think through the mechanics of what you are asking for?

The coop/condo budget is not magic money from the sky, it comes from you and your neighbors.

If you are asking for a reduction, you are asking your neighbors to pay you, period.
If you are cool with that, then sure go ahead and ask. But that is what you are asking. And good luck with that..

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Response by MTH
12 months ago
Posts: 572
Member since: Apr 2012

LL 11 renovations are every 5 years? Shouldn't the work proceed faster after the first cycle? It seems to me they should have made any major repairs during the initial round of repairs. How much can masonry deteriorate in 5 years? Buildings stood for how long before LL 11 was enacted? The whole thing seems highly suspect.

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Response by MTH
12 months ago
Posts: 572
Member since: Apr 2012

I'm trying to think of other cities where I have noticed this level of concern for brickwork facades. Boston? DC? Philly?

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Response by 300_mercer
12 months ago
Posts: 10538
Member since: Feb 2007

It is a facade mafia who donate to the city council who has pushed for more stringent rules. There a lot of unnecessary work involved every cycle.

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Response by multicityresident
12 months ago
Posts: 2421
Member since: Jan 2009

+1 on 300_mercer's comment. As far as other cities, it has just hit SF and our building there is going to be hit quite hard. Recent board meeting (yes, I am a glutton for punishment) just had a presentation from the management company that soft-pedaled the whole thing. I objected to the low ball estimate for 2025 budget, but, of course, a board member is selling, so it is all going to stay below the line unless a buyer does serious due diligence and asks to see board meeting minutes where I insist that my comments be reflected..

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Response by multicityresident
12 months ago
Posts: 2421
Member since: Jan 2009

P.S. - @MTH - in NY, it is a MAJOR expense every five years. They always find something, plus, in defense of the building engineers, they do identify issues that should be dealt with as preventative maintenance, but then aren't, and those issues then become "emergency repairs" that are far more costly to deal with after they have been neglected than they would have been had they been handled when first identified. There is an agency problem with all buildings, like corporations. The first thing I would ask any seller is "What is the board like?" If they say "I am on the board. It is very diligent!" then I would run, not walk, away.

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Response by MTH
12 months ago
Posts: 572
Member since: Apr 2012

@multicityresident - Makes sense. I'd hope/imagine most of the biggest issues would be caught the first time around. Maybe a few lingering ones the second round. After that it should just be tweaking and should be over within a few days of erecting the scaffolding. I smell a racket.

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Response by stache
12 months ago
Posts: 1292
Member since: Jun 2017

Putting up the scaffolding is expensive in itself.

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