I love it. $1.1 million plus for a tiny studio in a building designed by someone nobody has heard of. Only in NYC. I don’t know who the prospective buyers for these “bespoke” residences is (I was just waiting to use the word bespoke in a sentence “ but they either have more money than they know what to do with or are just not that intelligent….
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I have heard of Rafael Viñoly.
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You heard of Rafael Vinoly from Rinette! Maybe the premium for him is the squiggly line above the n…or more likely this is a way of the sellers saying, if you’ve never heard of this guy, you really can’t afford these apartments so don’t bother inquiring and wasting our time
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I've heard of him too. He died a few years ago.
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He was the architect for the Walkie-Talkie building and 432 Park.
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“He was the architect for the Walkie-Talkie building and 432 Park.”
Thanks, I’ve heard of 432 Park. Since I did have to ask, I know these apartments are out of my price range!
Under 2M for a small 2bed with about 4k of monthlies. In a high amenity new building on 19th floor in a nice part of town.
I would say it is a decent price ... and I am quite value oriented...
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19E: A large eat-in-kitchen with a pillar in the middle, a hallway posing as a 'gallery', and minimal closet space in the bedrooms (what is going on with the one that opens onto the LR?). The tell in all new construction is whether standard hinged doors were used, or whether the architect had to go with sliding doors, because there wasn't enough room for the door swing. I also might challenge the 'correctness' of the scale of the furniture outlines - the bed in the MBR looks to be shorter than your standard bed.
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they do list square footage above 1200, which should have ample space for closets... either the floor plan or the square footage are totally wrong.
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Likely neither is wrong once you factor in structural columns/exterior walls into the square footage.
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I would like to point out that floor 19 aligns with floor 9 accross the street. There are no listings between floors 9 and 18. The building doesnt just skip 13, it seems to have ten floors of ‘inflation’ in the height listings.
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what??? that is next level of trickery.... hahaha
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The floorplan shows an elevation map of the unit. While I cannot say what floor that corresponds to, a 190’ elevation or so might be in the right ballpark. Nevertheless, I am guessing it faces something uninspiring based on the ppsf compared to other units listed and the lack of pics.
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"the floor plan or the square footage are totally wrong" No, they're probably both right (for a definition of 'right' that should meet the minimum legal requirements, if not reflect actual lived reality), but there's a factor of efficiency and aesthetic quality of space and room relationships that I find lacking in this floorplan (and many in this building). The big post in the LR has to be there to permit the cantilever which lets you have curtain wall windows (some nice views on upper floors!), but you see the compromise in the LR ceiling of PH1A, which is not a good look. What to do with all that mass is handled slightly better in the picture of the MBR of PH1A.
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There's a similar reality mismatch in the presentation of #28C at 430 E 58th. Similar layout to the above discussed 19E, and the legal reality is that the 'Library / 2nd bedroom' is a room about 9'x12'. The unreality is that they posit it as a 2nd bedroom, yet there is no built in closet, so not very practical, unless it's occupied by a child who can keep everything in dresser drawers. In their defense, the floorplan shows it kitted out as a 'library', and 'bedroom 2' is after the slash in the floorplan naming, so a use of desparation, not of design? SE shows it as a 2 BR. Also in 28C's defense, there isn't a big supporting column in the middle of the ~14'x17' EIK.
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nada, the bottom floor of the normal glass part of the building is floor 18 according to the floorplans. Looking at Google street view, it looks like you need to go a floor or two higher to clear 120 Greenwich St. 120 Greenwich St looks like 12 stories but is listed as a 13 story building.
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Yeesh no bathtub and that column is massive.
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Well, this discussion isn't going to convince anyone to buy there.
what is the premium for Rafael Viñoly?
I love it. $1.1 million plus for a tiny studio in a building designed by someone nobody has heard of. Only in NYC. I don’t know who the prospective buyers for these “bespoke” residences is (I was just waiting to use the word bespoke in a sentence “ but they either have more money than they know what to do with or are just not that intelligent….
I have heard of Rafael Viñoly.
You heard of Rafael Vinoly from Rinette! Maybe the premium for him is the squiggly line above the n…or more likely this is a way of the sellers saying, if you’ve never heard of this guy, you really can’t afford these apartments so don’t bother inquiring and wasting our time
I've heard of him too. He died a few years ago.
He was the architect for the Walkie-Talkie building and 432 Park.
“He was the architect for the Walkie-Talkie building and 432 Park.”
Thanks, I’ve heard of 432 Park. Since I did have to ask, I know these apartments are out of my price range!
Also - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%91
The price per square foot is not outrageous at all for what it is and where it's located.
>Maybe the premium for him is the squiggly line above the n
Exactly. Americans love foreign seeming things.
https://streeteasy.com/building/the-greenwich-by-rafael-vinoly/19e?
Under 2M for a small 2bed with about 4k of monthlies. In a high amenity new building on 19th floor in a nice part of town.
I would say it is a decent price ... and I am quite value oriented...
19E: A large eat-in-kitchen with a pillar in the middle, a hallway posing as a 'gallery', and minimal closet space in the bedrooms (what is going on with the one that opens onto the LR?). The tell in all new construction is whether standard hinged doors were used, or whether the architect had to go with sliding doors, because there wasn't enough room for the door swing. I also might challenge the 'correctness' of the scale of the furniture outlines - the bed in the MBR looks to be shorter than your standard bed.
they do list square footage above 1200, which should have ample space for closets... either the floor plan or the square footage are totally wrong.
Likely neither is wrong once you factor in structural columns/exterior walls into the square footage.
I would like to point out that floor 19 aligns with floor 9 accross the street. There are no listings between floors 9 and 18. The building doesnt just skip 13, it seems to have ten floors of ‘inflation’ in the height listings.
what??? that is next level of trickery.... hahaha
The floorplan shows an elevation map of the unit. While I cannot say what floor that corresponds to, a 190’ elevation or so might be in the right ballpark. Nevertheless, I am guessing it faces something uninspiring based on the ppsf compared to other units listed and the lack of pics.
"the floor plan or the square footage are totally wrong" No, they're probably both right (for a definition of 'right' that should meet the minimum legal requirements, if not reflect actual lived reality), but there's a factor of efficiency and aesthetic quality of space and room relationships that I find lacking in this floorplan (and many in this building). The big post in the LR has to be there to permit the cantilever which lets you have curtain wall windows (some nice views on upper floors!), but you see the compromise in the LR ceiling of PH1A, which is not a good look. What to do with all that mass is handled slightly better in the picture of the MBR of PH1A.
There's a similar reality mismatch in the presentation of #28C at 430 E 58th. Similar layout to the above discussed 19E, and the legal reality is that the 'Library / 2nd bedroom' is a room about 9'x12'. The unreality is that they posit it as a 2nd bedroom, yet there is no built in closet, so not very practical, unless it's occupied by a child who can keep everything in dresser drawers. In their defense, the floorplan shows it kitted out as a 'library', and 'bedroom 2' is after the slash in the floorplan naming, so a use of desparation, not of design? SE shows it as a 2 BR. Also in 28C's defense, there isn't a big supporting column in the middle of the ~14'x17' EIK.
nada, the bottom floor of the normal glass part of the building is floor 18 according to the floorplans. Looking at Google street view, it looks like you need to go a floor or two higher to clear 120 Greenwich St. 120 Greenwich St looks like 12 stories but is listed as a 13 story building.
Yeesh no bathtub and that column is massive.
Well, this discussion isn't going to convince anyone to buy there.