Rufus got runoff StreetEasy, so guess where he ended up...

"luxury hirises" .... dead giveaway ... classic.

NYC - nice grab! He got knocked around pretty good. It really isn't that hard to do, but is always fun to see.

hahahaha!

the funniest thing about this is that at Curbed, Rufus can post anonymously so he pretends to be like 3 or 4 different people, who all happen to be randomly promoting Chicago on the same thread at the same time, and also happen to make the same points he always makes (restaurants, women, projects, cleanliness)

Jeez

Sizzlack, are you paranoid much? i did not make those comments on curbed, but i'm not surprised since everyone on this board thinks that anyone who is remotely critical of the "almighty NYC" must all be the same person.

Yea I'm paranoid and you are delusional. So someone else just randomly happened to parrot your Chicago talking points...right down the line to the part about Chicago having more beautiful women?

Sorry Rufus I'm not that stupid.

That is so hilarious! Caught red-faced. LOL!

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Admiral, good lord, you're an idiot. Yeah, NYC has some supermodels, but they're a miniscule percentage of the overall female population. the vast majority of NYC women are not very attractive: too pale, out of shape, smoke too much, don't have nice bodies, etc.

I have some advice for you. Why don't you leave your cockroach infested NYC apartment and actually do some travelling. You'll come to realize that NYC is indeed overrated.

And now for the part from Curbed...

"Why does NYC have so many crappy apartment buildings? Chicago is full of brand new luxury condos that are reasonably priced and in better locations. For $1500/month you can live in a luxury highrise apartment with views of lake michigan. That same amount will get you a cockroach infested place in NYC."

AND...

"#10, why do you prefer NYC? i actually had the opposite reaction. Aside from being nicer, i thought chicago had more to offer for your money. The restaurant and nightlife scene there is amazing, and the women are drop dead gorgeous as well, definitely better than NYC."

Still not you Roofie?

Rufus, it has you written all over it.

chicago, is that somewhere out by Rochester?

Not only is Chicago more totalitarian than NY:
http://www.nysun.com/blogs/culture-of-congestion/2008/08/reason-ranks-chicago-last-in-personal-fr.html

But if you for some reason you have to go to Chicago, make sure you bring your own fresh air supply:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/breathe-deep-chicagos-air_n_130152.html

Sizzlack, no it's not me. but since you insist on believing your own talking points, i'm not going to push this. i just think it's funny that you guys find it so hard to believe that plenty of people prefer Chicago to NYC. are you guys that close minded and provincial?

rufus, so very tragic. More than ever, a desperate cry for help. You crack up.

lowery, don't be an ignoramus -- everybody knows that Chicago is on the mainland, and specifically in flyover country. I think right near Dakron. And also Tulsa, St. Joe, Wichita and maybe Milwaukee or Cincinnatus. And close enough for rufie to take the short bus from Hammond, Indiana. I mean, everybody knows that!

rufus, shouldn't you be out right now? it's thursday night. or have you just entirely given up on trying to get girls in NYC to talk to you?

Maybe Rufus has multiple personalities. One liked NYC and got him to come here, another couldn't score with the ladies and got fired from his job, another posts here at SE and a 4th posts over at Curbed.

That would explain a lot. When Rufus says lots of people like Chicago, he's counting himself 4 times.

Typical McCain backer. PWNED.

rufus you have internet problems

Rufus is one of my 2 least favorite people here (guess who the other one is!), and I love New York and couldn't imagine living elsewhere, but alanhart, I cringe every time you (or anyone) uses the phrase "flyover country". It really makes you sound ignorant.

evillager, it's a targeted ignorant remark. But a great one, you must agree! I've lived in flyover country on a number of occasions, though.

And I can't guess. Give me a hint.

My guess is stevejhx

3 hints: he's a supposed media/gaming multimillionaire, owns and lives in a luxury building in the les (but on either attorney or ridge street), and enjoys putting up pro-obama/anti-bush/mccain posts roughly 80 times per day.

re: flyover...ok, it's a shot at rufus, which I don't mind. the guy really must be half retarded, I don't think anyone who lives in chicago would assert half of what he says. oh, and he's also a huge racist. the funniest thing though is the comment about how chicago women are so much hotter than ny. I'm sorry, I would compare the girls in the soho equinox at 6pm vs. the fanciest club or whatever in chicago anyday.

but I just hate that term "flyover country". not that I'm even from what most people would call flyover country, I just feel like when I travel around, people are pretty similar everywhere - some smart, some dumb, most in between. Amd I think that term is very disrespectful to people who live in the middle of the country and are proud of where they live. it also makes people who use the term (from ny/la) look really bad.

one more comment - you know how rufus is always talking about the projects and how awful they are? I heard the other day that the wayans brothers all grew up in the chelsea projects. now, I'm sure growing up in any project is no picnic, but that just shows that people can come from anywhere and be smart, hardworking and successful, and it's really wrong to pre-judge people because of where they are from, no matter where that is.

ok, that's all, sorry for the rant...

I actually don't dislike stevejhx. I do think his financial advice is quite flawed though and get a bit irritated when he starts passing himself off as some susie orman guru type.

evillager, you crack me up. if you actually think the girls at soho equinox are hotter than the girls at chicago clubs like underground, rednofive, krem, y-bar, or a number of other places, you seriously need to get out more.

rufus, you crack me up. you post on ny real estate sites every day commenting on how great chicago is.

evillager, you get up rufus's crack.

"the funniest thing though is the comment about how chicago women are so much hotter than ny."

That comment is absolutely correct. Ask me why. C'mon, ask me why.

ok, I'll bite...why?

Corpulent women are always hot, because of the insulating properties of fat

b'dum dumb. With an emphasis on the latter.

Best Chicago clubs:
http://www.ffa.org/
http://www.4-h.org/
http://www.hahclub.com/

Are you suggesting Rufus is a chubby-chaser?

"Corpulent"

love it

Waverly, isn't it obvious that rufus is a lipophilic lover of ladies?

(If not, it's because he wants to move to a neighborhood near Boystown. Mixed messages.)

Rufie, did you actually get laid once in Chicago and want to move there to see if the magic can happen again for you?

No, but he came as close as he ever has.

I can imagine what his rap is like ata club!

Hi....I think the architecture of these hi-rises in Chicago is so much better than the buildings in UWS or in Greenwich.....

And then he projectile-vomits a gallon of GOP talking points and revisionist "history."

I was amazed that rufus tried to deny it at first. Then I thought about all the infantile claims...

In the end, I haven't heard any adult use "crappy" very often. Rufus used it in almost all his threads, including his on curbed...

Clearly this guy has a problem.

"any adult use 'crappy' very often"

of course he is not an adult. he has no job, lives with his parents, and can't talk to girls

are you denying that a lot of NYC apartments are crappy? You should just look at the recent condos that have gone up in Chicago and compare them to NYC. And then you'll agree with what I'm saying.

rufus, when you say "crappy" do you mean "poopie"?

it cracks me up how authoritarian rufus tries to be:
"You should just look at the recent condos that have gone up in Chicago and compare them to NYC. And then you'll agree with what I'm saying."

And what is someone doesn't agree...then what rufus? Is it possible, just maybe, that there are people out there that don't give a sh*t about Chicago or the quality of the apartments there?

"are you denying that a lot of NYC apartments are crappy?"

What is crappy to you is clearly not crappy to everyone else. Jeez you wont even walk within 10 blocks of Stuy Town because you have this irrational fear someone from there will come out and mug you.

Stuy town is reasonably safe, but it looks like the fucking projects. for that same amount those people are paying in rent to live there, you can get an awesome apartment in a luxury highrise right next to grant/millennium park or lake michigan. NYC is horrendously overpriced, and you don't even get quality for the amount of money you spend.

You do realize that your analogy to Chicago makes no sense right? Because yes while they might be paying less and living in a nicer place, they are in Chicago. These people clearly would rather be in NY or else well...they'd be in freakin Chicago.

and by nicer place I meant the quality of ones apartment not nicer place as in Chicago.

where?

Just because more people live in NYC does not mean it's a more desirable city than Chicago. Mexico City has more people than NYC; does that mean it's a better city?

Most people choose NYC because they're from the area or they went to college in the northeast or they landed a job in finance, and they had no choice but to live in NYC.

That comparison is unfair to Chicago, because NY and DF are world-class cities, while Chicago is a remote trading post and international HQ of hundreds of street gangs.

But yes, demand makes NY and DF more desirable cities than Chicago.

Soon Chicago will be a UNESCO World Heritage Site, like Teotihuacan.

Rufus, are you still actually denying that you wrote those posts?

"i did not make those comments on curbed"

> Mexico City has more people than NYC; does that mean it's a better city?

I wasn't aware that there were border guards patrolling the east river to make sure folks don't get to Chicago, where they really want to be.... the guns just keep them away.

The poor kids of Manhattan grow up wishing they could afford the mules to take them across the water to Chicago.

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Just because more people live in NYC does not mean it's a more desirable city than Chicago. Mexico City has more people than NYC; does that mean it's a better city?

Most people choose NYC because they're from the area or they went to college in the northeast or they landed a job in finance, and they had no choice but to live in NYC.

You know Rufus you made that argument a while ago and I couldn't disagree more. People have no choice but to live in nyc? No one, no one is holding a shotgun to anyone forcing them to pay high rents or lots of money for nice apartments. People are here because they want to be in NYC. If you want to try and compare NYC to Mexico City I'll just stop talking here because that's absurd. So in your mind, everyone who lives in NYC either works in finance, went to college in the NE or simply is being forced to reside here. Doesn't that sound just a little ridiculous to you? No one is forcing you stay here if you hate it (assuming you actually do live here, which I don't believe you do).

Why don't you go find some London or L.A. board and bitch at those people for being forced to live in those cities and not Chicago. Why is it not okay with you that other people who have no impact on your life whatsoever chose to live here and not Chicago? Why do you take it so personally? Did your great great gramps lay out the plan for Chicago or something? This is getting so pathetically old.

Again, I refer all to the point that NYU is the dream college of more students in the US than *anywhere* else. And, that isn't because of its academica or athletics...

Never heard of anyone daydreaming about Chicago...

the fact that 17 year olds want to live in NYC and the East Village isn't a selling point for people with maturity or people with intelligence - NYU is not a good school, just an expensive school for druggies, spoiled brats, or punks

> isn't a selling point for people with maturity or people with intelligence

Sure, but we were specifically addressing the point of rufus, his friends, and the other folks living with their parents in Chicago...

gleeclub, i agree. NYU is the most overrated school in the country. and east village is a total shithole.

Which is it rufus? Do they all want to live here or not?

If anything, if its such a "shithole" as you say, that just means there has to be something else drawing all these folks, young and old (and sending them away from Chicago).

I'll ask Rufus again...

Why is it not okay with you that other people who have no impact on your life whatsoever chose to live here and be happy and not Chicago? Why do you take it so personally? Why is it so hard for you to accept that there are people on earth who like to live in NYC, without the need to be called idiots for doing so by yourself?

This got discussed on another thread (where rufus wouldn't answer the question there either), and we started coming to the conclusion that its sour grapes.

Rufus can't afford a decent place in NYC, so he's trying to prove to the world (and himself) that he really didn't want to be there in the first place.

I had thought he was a failed architect or city planner perhaps. Either way its sad. Go Giants

If he were a failed architect or city planner he would have a basic knowledge of how cities evolve and wouldn't be constantly comparing new buildings in Chicago to older buildings in NY. Stuy Town might not be the prettiest buildings in NY but they once served a great purpose--to keep returning vets and the middle class in the city

Rufus says he hates projects. He particularly hates the WEA ones. He says he lives in the West 60's--might have been born bred and never left those projects. Or lives in Lincoln Towers and had his view obstructed by Trump or accidentally rented an apartment near both. The possibilities are endless and not particularly exciting

Rufus was amusing. Now he's boring and sounds like a Republican press release. To not realize that the WSJ piece was opinion and not fact is truly sad

jadedinNY, can you tell me what aspect of the WSJ piece was wrong? You see, unlike the NY Times, the WSJ actually uses intelligent arguments supported by economic data, to make their points.

"Stuy Town once served a great purpose--to keep returning vets in the city" ---> but anti-American rufus hates the Greatest Generation, WWII veterans, and doesn't think they should have had housing built for them. He's a big supporter of all Bush/McCain policies, like closing VA hospitals and starving them of adequate funding.

Where's HUAC when you need them?

You understand that opinion is a person or org's take on a subject? Sometimes, or often, exaggeration is used to stress points or scare people. For example the 250K tax that everybody talks about is net. After deprecation, costs and much more

I found the whole WSJ piece distasteful. However this paragraph is great as no child left behind is a failure by any standards. Guantanamo-if you believe that many things done there in the name of democracy were done by a true democracy.....The paragraph is a nonsenseical linking together of discordant ideas
Special-interest potpourri. Look for the watering down of No Child Left Behind testing standards, as a favor to the National Education Association. The tort bar's ship would also come in, including limits on arbitration to settle disputes and watering down the 1995 law limiting strike suits. New causes of legal action would be sprinkled throughout most legislation. The anti-antiterror lobby would be rewarded with the end of Guantanamo and military commissions, which probably means trying terrorists in civilian courts. Google and MoveOn.org would get "net neutrality" rules, subjecting the Internet to intrusive regulation for the first time

Rufus is here as well!!!!!

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/400310-manhattan-has-so-many-housing-projects.html

You betcha, that's Cracker Boy alrighty. The same false arguments, like the assumption that the projects are dangerous, and that their tenants don't work.

"ChicagoFinance" - Rufie, a job filling ATM machines at Wrigley is NOT working in finance.

You mean a job helping to fill the "ATM" in Boystown.
Rufie, what does "ATM" stand for in this case?
And why did you start that thread on city-data?

btw, kspeak, great research job in finding that loser's additional random snivel/drivel!

Oh, and the other two threads "ChicagoFinance" started are (these will really really blow your mind):

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/400524-nyc-nightlife-mediocre.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/399780-nyc-so-dirty-overrated.html

Rufus is an agent of change in Tourism promotion! Chicago gets more exposure to NYorkers in Streeteasy than it would placing an ad in a travel magazine! These are facebook times, Obama made a ton of money using the new technologies, reaching through the Internet, it makes sense! He is a paid agent. If no so, then his obsesive-compulsive tendencies (not doubt partially shared by most people posting here) and high mania phase have not yet been curbed by the meds.

rufie, that's really sad of you to post the same crap all over the web. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. What do you have to say for yourself?

C'mon Cracker Boy, out with it.

I think if Rufus was getting paid for this he would have somewhat more coherent arguments and would focus on logic and Chicago's "true" benefits: Chicago is cheaper, easy access to both coasts, midwestern friendliness, Wrigleyville's charm, deep dish pizza, etc. (I am willing to admit the city does have some pluses, although I don't like deep dish pizza personally and could only come up with these 5 "pluses" when forced).

...Instead, he spouts out incomprehensible arguments that are factually incorrect (Chicago has less crime, better restaurants and bars, and hotter women). Also I don't think a paid sponsor would want to associate Chicago with Rufie's utterly abhorent and vaguely racist tones (e.g., diversity is overrated, they should tear down the projects, etc.).

Cracker Boy, we're waiting . . .

good job alanhart...it's nice to know for sure that Rufus isn't from NYC...as he said this:

"I'm from Chicago and have recently visited NYC. First thing I noticed was how incredibly dirty it is. There's garbage bags on street corners, and the city smells like a combination of rotten garbage, urine, and feces. This was shocking to me since Chicago is impeccably clean. In terms of architecture and overall landscape, Chicago is so much more attractive than NYC: we have beautiful lake michigan and lakeshore drive, nice luxury condos everywhere, grant and millennium park, lincoln park, etc. About half of manhattan is filled with old ugly buildings and walkup apartments. I was really let down by how unattractive the city is. "

"and the city smells like a combination of rotten garbage, urine, and feces"

- are you sure this isn't your own scent following you around Rufus?

We already know that Cracker Boy is into golden showers, so the rotten garbage and feces fixation (and whatever he likes to do with them) should come as no surprise. And yet it does.

What kind of "finance" you think he "works" in? Financing two girls one cup videos perhaps?

Nice detective work! It is also good to see how many people have not allowed Rufus to spread his vile.

So, he doen't live in NYC and "wants" to buy a condo in Chicago. My guess is Rufus doesn't even live in the Chicago either....which brings us back to Rufus living in his parents basement in Hammond. He writes poorly and seems immature, so he is probably 23 or 24 years old with the maturity of a 14 year old. I also get the feeling that he grew up in the south, with the way he structures sentences and phrases he uses. I see him fighting back the urge to write "prolly" for probably....which you see much more frequently in the south. Maybe he went to U of Illinois for College and he thinks Chicago is a "big" city, yet not so big and scary like NYC.

It's ridiculous is that he claims these other posters on curbed, citydata, etc. are not him, but others who simply prefer Chicago.

It's not that I don't think some people who live in Chicago don't prefer it to NYC - I am sure some people who live in Chicago DO prefer it to NYC.

But, Rufie - answer me this? If this is such a common practice, why aren't their posters saying "Boston/San Francisco/LA/Philly/whatever are better than NYC for reason x, y, and z." Why do all of these forums just HAPPEN to have others who tout Chicago over NYC, but yet not a single poster who criticizes NYC in favor, of, say, Boston??? And why are these pro-Chicago posters using the exact same arguments as you, and copying the exact same criticisms as you?

kspeak, among all the U.S. cities, Chicago is the closest to NYC, and hence there is a rivalry between the two. It is only natural that people compare NYC to Chicago.

I never considered Chicago a "rival" of NYC. You are clearly not from here, becasue people in NYC don't ever think of Chicago....never....not ever....never.

So, maybe to people in Chicago and Hammond, they are rivals, but to people in NYC, Chicago isn't even close to suiting up to warm the bench, let alone be in the game.

waverly, the two cities have more in common than you are willing to admit. They're both big dense cities with skyscrapers, exhaustive public transportation, lots of restaurants, clubs/bars that are open until 4 AM, etc.

South makes sense -- and Rufus is a Southern name. And he hates mulattos, like Obama. Maybe also quadroons and octoroons and Irish-Americans.

and don't forget the poor. He hates the poor.

"Among all the U.S. cities, Chicago is the closest to NYC, and hence there is a rivalry."

Ummm ... okay ...

1) Let's start with geography, and the fact that Philly and Boston are 1.5-2 hours away and 3.5-4 hours away BY CAR. This has ramifications for culture too - the "Northeast" has a whole culture (New England is a subculture within this). All of the Ivy League schools are between Philly and 2 hours north of Boston, people from Philly, Boston, NY often go to the same spots for vacation, etc (Maine, Jersey Shore, Martha's Vineyard). Maybe this is more "elite" culture but it matters nonetheless.

2) In terms of sports (a major source of intercity rivalrly), NYC and Boston are the real rivals. Yankees/Red Sox and Pats/Jets (and Giants in the recent superbowl). You have a bit with Philly too in terms of Giants/Eagles (and Giants/Cowboys) but the true sports rivalry in NYC is against Boston (Yanks and Mets fans alike cheered Tampa Bay's victory over Boston last night).

3) In terms of competing for Finance/International draw, I would go with London as NY's biggest rival.

4) For media/celebrities, LA is NY's biggest rival

5) For attracting the largest pool of "best and brightest" college grads (though I absolutely HATE that phrase), I would say NY, San Francisco, and Boston are the 3 greatest rivals.

6) For nightlife, it is NY and Vegas, maybe Miami and LA.

7) In terms of sheer size of city, LA is bigger than Chicago, so even on size alone, Chicago is not as comparable as LA (and LA has some of NY's glamour crowds).

It is true Chicago is a large, Northern, urban city. But so is Philly NY has 18 million in the greater area, Chicago 9 million, and Philly 6 million; even though Philly is slightly smaller, they are both MUCH smaller than NYC, and Philly is closer, making it more comparable. I see some comparison, as I just outlined, but it is ridiculous to say that Chicago is the most "natural" comparison to NYC, when in so many categories there are much more natural comparisons.

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Rufus - they aren't comparable no matter how badly you want them to be. Chicago is MUCH smaller in evry way, with so many fewer big companies, financial service firms, good restaurants, good bars/clubs/lounges, museums, galleries....it goes on and on and on.

Seriously, Chicago is nice, but to people from NYC it is not even close on every level. That is why people who are here are happy....they CHOSE to live here. They like the diversity and everything NYC has to offer. Chicago has a little of this and a little of that, but nowhere near the same level as NYC. It is certainly cheaper, but you have to live there, so for most people in NYC they would rather stay in NYC and be happy.

You don't like NYC and that is fine. For you, Chicago is great....and thewre's nothing wrong with that. What's not right is your need to bash NYC with lies just because you don't like it. Frankly, you come across as ignorant and very, very jealous about NYC...which, ironically is yet another example of NYC's superiority over Chicago.

Every time you make a stupid post you reinforce the stereotype that Chicago is a "wanna-be" city. Every time you post lies about NYC you show your jealousy and it is evidence that Chicago is inferior because you have to resort to lies and half-truths to prove your point.

I have to do some work now....anyone else have thoughts?

I'll ask Rufus for a third time and see if this time perhaps he will answer my questions..

Why is it not okay with you that other people who have no impact on your life whatsoever chose to live here and not Chicago? Why do you take it so personally?

alanhart, I get what you're doing. But give it a rest, please. It's gotten to the point that you're not any better than he is, and this incessant "mulatto" question is just plain offensive, even with the snark behind it. Let's get some civility back on StreetEasy, por favor.

I am still laughing that Rufus actually thinks Chicago is the most natural comparison to NYC ... how ridiculous ....

bjw2103, fair enough -- even I was getting tired of that one.

But civility back on StreetEasy?

Of course NYC has MORE clubs, bars, and restaurants than Chicago. It's a lot bigger; I never once denied that. But in terms of pure quality and depth of offerings, Chicago is NYC's peer city. Both NYC and Chicago, for example, were ranked as the two cities with the best restaurants in America.

No rufie -- Frances & Jack's Happi Lounge doesn't count as "clubs".

And NY's restaurant peers are SF and NOLA.

In neither quality nor depth is Chicago NY's peer city.

I guess NY is sort of associated with hot dog sandwiches, and that's Chicago's idea of haut cuisine. But that's really a very loose association.

alanhart, you're so wrong that i don't know where to begin. Chicago clubs like underground, manor, enclave, rino, krem, y-bar, stone lotus, are all EASILY on par or even better than NYC clubs. You obviously know nothing about Chicago nightlife.

with regards to restaurants, SF and NOLA don't have world-class restaurants like alinea or charlie trotter. Chicago does however.

alanhart, thanks. Ok, maybe not total civility, but maybe, you know, reasonably intelligent discussion about NYC real estate? There have been a lot of newcomers to this board in the last few months, but there was a time when this place was more or less what I just described. Amazing, I know.

To me, a city's restaurant quality is defined less by the quality of the top 10-15 fancy restaurants, but by the quality and diversity of neighbhorhood restaurants. A few superstar chefs don't make something a great restaurant city; it's not something you do every day. That is why I think Vegas is the most overrated restaurant city in the country. To me, it is NY, San Francisco, and Philly (those in the know about Philly will agree that it has lots of great local restaurants), in that order.

Once logic prevails Rufus always starts a new thread ...

Who the F would decide to make Chicago the place they will live because of Charlie Trotter or Alinea? Good food is wonderful, but to suggest people decide where they will live based on the number of A+ restaurants is beyond retarded.

Sizzlack, i never said that should be the sole criteria when deciding where to live. but kspeak made the point that NYC is leagues above Chicago when it comes to restaurants, clubs, bars, etc., and i am pointing out that the two cities are a lot more similar than you guys are willing to admit. There is a lot of overlap in the types of people who move to NYC and Chicago, mainly well-educated professionals.

Sizzleack - exactly. The top restaurants are a nice bonus but don't define a city.

Rufus- I am not arguing there is some overlap (both are large, dense northern cities), but the overlap is no greater than other cities (Boston, Philly, LA, SF, etc.) for all of the reasons I outlined. When somebody said "what is the most comparable city to NYC or NYC's greatest rival" I would say, it depends on the criteria. But on a holistic basis one could make at least as good an argument for London, SF, Boston, or Philly, than Chicago, if not better. It proves my point: if it is NOT you on those other boards, why aren't there other people on boards arguing about Boston, Philly, SF, London, etc. vs. NYC.

kspeak, boston and philly are provincial towns, not even worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chicago. Comparing them to either NYC or Chicago is like comparing outback steakhouse to Peter Luger. The reason why people praise Chicago over NYC is precisely because those two cities have the most in common.

Wait Rufus now you are trying to tell us that Chicago and NY are a lot more similar than any of us knew? Because I swear just like 10 days ago everything out of your mouth (or fingers in this case) was how Chicago is miles ahead of NY in terms of:
- Gentrification
- Cleanliness
- Urban Planning
- Architecture
- Restaurants/Nightlife
- Crime
- Amount of homeless/lesser well of

But now they are similar? I still don't get why you have an issue with people choosing to live here over Chicago. You wont answer either. If someone decides that they would like to live in a Trump high rise, looking at Lake Michigan, next door to Charlie Trotter, in one of your precious neighborhoods then good for them. I wish them a life of enjoying Chicago. But again, you are on a NYC RE site, why on earth would anyone posting here give two sh*ts about Chicago? No one even talked about the city before you came in here screaming from the rooftops that this city is the absolute pits while Chicago is where God himself has a condo. Why do you have such an issue with people enjoying the fact that they live here in NYC? Thats really what I want to know. How does my love for NYC have any impact on you. Why does it make you foam at the mouth?

Let's work backwards through that post.

1. Chicago and NYC don't have much in common at all.

2. "People" don't praise Chicago over New York, in any substantial numbers.

3. You're making a fast-food comparison? Isn't Chicago the fast-food hub for the world?

4. Boston is a much more sophisticated city than Chicago -- and yes, I've spent substantial time in both. Philly is comparable to Chicago, with easier access to the ocean.

Oh sizzlack, you're so jealous of Chicago, inferiority comples, blahblahblah