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Overpriced Indigo!

Started by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Feb 2008
Looks like sellers are doing it again - expecting massive short-term returns on real estate, this time in a so-so building in Chelsea, across the street from 21 Chelsea where you can rent something virtually identical for 1/3 the cost: 125 WEST 21 STREET, 12B Manhattan 4/25/2008 $1,848,123 125 West 21st Street #12B in Chelsea $2,425,000 Total Monthly Payment: $14,932 Neat. A 31% profit since April. And a virtual steal at $15k a month!
Response by Sizzlack
over 17 years ago
Posts: 782
Member since: Apr 2008

Jeez. The building isn't even that nice to begin with.

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Response by rufus
over 17 years ago
Posts: 1095
Member since: Jul 2008

I agree with Sizzlack. It's another ugly NYC condo in a lousy location.

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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StreetEasy History

02/21/2008 Listed in StreetEasy by The Malley Group at $2,396,860
05/05/2008 Price increased to $2,525,000
07/15/2008 Price decreased to $2,425,000

The best is they tried to flip it a mere 2 weeks after buying it, the original price being $2,525,000, which would have been a 37% profit. Seems they even listed it before they closed on it.

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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The location is fine. The price is outrageous.

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Response by broadwayron
over 17 years ago
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Can't sellers price their property wherever they want? Who cares if it sells or if they make/lose money?

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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"Can't sellers price their property wherever they want?"

Yup.

"Who cares if it sells or if they make/lose money?"

They do.

I think you're deliberately missing the point.

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Response by Jerkstore
over 17 years ago
Posts: 474
Member since: Feb 2007

"full time live in supper" sounds a little gross but I guess it would keep some of your costs down.

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Response by broadwayron
over 17 years ago
Posts: 271
Member since: Sep 2006

"I think you're deliberately missing the point."

Maybe. But, I find it comical how people on SE almost get pissed-off regarding the prices of apts. If a seller really wants to unload his goods, he will lower the price accordingly. Until then, that's what you get. (Disclaimer: I didn't even read the link at the top, because properties like that are way out of my range.) People are always talking about how much a place is "worth"... it's worth what someone will pay. If someone pays the ask, then it was priced correctly. If it sits on the market for a year, then the seller must really not care about selling.
Maybe people intentionally overprice their apts just to screw with people on SE... like, they really aren't even trying to sell.

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Response by exit2
over 17 years ago
Posts: 98
Member since: Dec 2008

I agree.

People put their homes "on the market" just in case someone does bite at their asking, even if it is way high.
A lot of brokers list their own homes for sale at artifical prices to generate leads. They say ...oh, that one just went into contract, but I have something else for you.
A lot of people aren't real sellers, so analyzing SE data is pointless. Until you even have a price of what it transacted at, meaning closed, the numbers aren't even relevant.

you forget, broadwayron, a lot of people on this blog devote their lives to SE and arguing with each other about the data here. This, for them, is all they have going for them in life.

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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"oh, that one just went into contract, but I have something else for you."

That sounds ethical.

But if that's the argument, why would a broker list an apartment for far more than it's worth - that won't "generate interest," will it?

"A lot of people aren't real sellers, so analyzing SE data is pointless."

I see. Now here comes the argument that inventory is really down....

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Response by cccharley
over 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

Really exit 2? You've been on here quite a bit lately. So you just know.

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Response by ccdevi
over 17 years ago
Posts: 861
Member since: Apr 2007

31% profit, really? zero transaction costs on both ends? Isn't it probably more like 15% profit. Why do you do that? You would be the first one to mention leaving out transaction costs if someone was doing buy rent math wrong. We get your point, why fudge it?

Beyond that don't you think they might be overpricing because they know in this market they'll have to negotiate down significantly? My guess is they don't expect any profit and would be thrilled to get out even.

Beyond that, I agree with everything broadwayron said. Why should we care if some seller wants to let his place sit on the market indefinitely at a price that is outside the bounds of reality?

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
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It will probably make them break even since with new development the buyer typically pays the developer's costs.

But that's not what the potential buyer sees. He sees 37%.

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Response by hvd_free
over 17 years ago
Posts: 90
Member since: Jan 2007

Any of these sellers might just be a SE regular who's doing this on purpose, just to observe the massive heartburn this apparently brings to some of the folks here.

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Response by mutombonyc
over 17 years ago
Posts: 2468
Member since: Dec 2008

Now is the time to buy at The Indigo, Buy now or be priced out forever at The Indigo. Go to The Indigo Sales opps Rent Office and catch that falling knife they are offering.

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Response by NYRENewbie
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 591
Member since: Mar 2008

Does anyone know if the E units face the back of the building?

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Response by jasonkyle
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Sep 2008

yeah the e units face the back and the view is a drag

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Response by streakeasy
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 323
Member since: Jul 2008

Units 7E and 9E with huge price drops! 1.4M - > 980k... 30% drop from peak for new construction...

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Response by stevejhx
almost 17 years ago
Posts: 12656
Member since: Feb 2008

Still outrageously priced. You can rent a virtually identical apartment across the street, albeit one with a view, for $3,800.

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Response by streakeasy
almost 17 years ago
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Member since: Jul 2008

ouch! I didn't realize there were units across the street.

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