200 Chambers Street #12C

someone on here already called them out on it but i guess they don't care
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/7147-200-chambers-12c

who cares?

its just another example of an annoying broker trick. i guess i care since i was looking for real price declines and not fake ones like this.

So you would have considered buying it if it was previously priced (and unsold) at $3MM but were still at the same $2.5MM price today?

no it needs a real price cut to move. something far better than a 1000 dollar cut. it should go below 2 million and i think you are probably a broker so you should know that. don't be obtuse.

I'm not obtuse. You are obtuse. Unbelievably obtuse in face.
Maybe that unit does need a price cut to move - I have no idea. But your originally stated criteria is if the price had declined. Not if the unit were at a price you wanted to buy it.
PS - I believe you are a broker. A broker with few too many listings and transactions.

i just looked at my face and it is not obtuse

as i said i look for units that are smart enough to cut their prices. i search for them on streeteasy. the way to do that is to search for anything that has had a price decline in the last two days. this unit keeps popping up on that list because it has a fake decline every time the broker moves the price up and down a lousy 1000 dollars. i believe you have reading comprehension issues.

Maybe the broker is Paris Hilton's (remember her) publicist, motto: any publicity is good publicity. Whatever floats their boat, who cares.

and it is a fact i am a buyer looking for a two bedroom below 34th street on the west side. i have nothing against honest brokers. i don't like brokers who are manipulative. and i am certainly not in this field.

I don't have reading comprehension issues at all. What I have is an acute understanding of who is simply out to cause trouble. Your logic of only looking for units with price cuts is backward. What if the unit was just listed? Is it not good enough even if it might be identical to a unit listed earlier that was listed for a higher price and is now the same price as the new unit? How sensible is that?
ps - I don't believe you are a buyer. No person in his or her right mind lumps all of 34th Street down to Battery Park in the same search. Admit you are a broker with a poor book of business.

i would live anywhere off the a,c,e or 1 train lines below 34th street in manhattan since that is what is best for my work commute. i would prefer to stay in chelsea but would consider the west village and tribeca but probably cut myself off at chambers. i am sorry but don't you think them raising and lowering the price so little so that it shows up on the search for "recent price cuts" is annoying? If you searched on here you would know that all the other price cuts are substantial at this point. we are talking 10 to 20 percent discounts minimum. this is the only listing that has such a ridiculously low cut that shows up on that search for ALL of downtown. i am starting to think you are the broker for this unit. there is no other reason for you to be so up in arms about what is clearly an annoying broker trick.

also you can search this board. i have been posting for months about my search and what have seen. i just searched for you and found that you have only commented on two threads. and they are bout about this building. interesting.

and i never said i was ONLY looking for units with price cuts. i was doing this particular search. do you actually use streeteasy. if you did you would know this is a standard search. you check "price cuts within the past 2 days" and then you click a general area like "all downtown". within those i look for things in my range that i might be interested in. but trust me that is not all i do. i like most people on here am incredibly informed as a buyer. and someday we aren't even going to need brokers like you lady.

Jasonkyle, it seems quite clearly to me that you are a broker with competing listings, and probably had some history with this particular broker - maybe she won a client from you that you lost?
Do I find it annoying that this broker raises and lowers the price - not really. I find it annoying when I'm on the express and I need to switch to the local and if the local just waited 10 more seconds the transfer could have been made. I find it annoying that some stores only open at Noon on Sundays but I need something earlier. I find a lot of things annoying. This, hardly. You seem the type who looks for reasons to be annoyed - what do they call that?, righteous indignation?

Jasonkyle, you seem very defensive too. 3 posts in a row to address my one ... why is that?

ugh now i find you annoying. you sound like a little child who won't accept something. I am not a broker. i am looking for an apartment actively. you are clearly the broker for this unit. good luck. you should drop it to about 1.7 and you might get a nibble.

i like to separate out the posts for clarity

and blatant stupidity make me verbose

I think you found me annoying way back,as soon as I even responded. I suspect that might have been the case if I said, "nice day, isn't it?" So now what is my rank on your annoyance list and how long actually is that list? Must be pretty long for a $1000 price move up and down to get you so excited.

ps - Jason, which is your listing, is it 11C listed for $2.45MM? Or are you only aspiring to represent listings over $2MM. Maybe some day.

ha you are the one who picked a fight with me lady. i am sure you are very nice laura cao. have a nice evening

wow you really are the broker. you have been pwned. nice headshot though. very pretty.

Oh thank you jasonkyle, from a gay man, that'll really get me going.

"Or are you only aspiring to represent listings over $2MM. Maybe some day"
that actually made me laugh. it was the only good comment you made in the whole thread. good for you. i am still not a broker though.

Ok, we believe you.

well you looked up most of my posts you should

It is all about you. You might as well be the one raising and lowering prices by $1000, as you seem so good at attracting unnecessary attention.

i do not like dishonest business practices. especially ones that slow down my apartment search. it is as simple as that. if you think this isn't slightly dishonest you have different standards than i do. good for you. you will probably go far as a broker.

hey at least the unit you are trying to sell had "buzz" again. maybe i helped you.

Well no one wants to slow down your apartment search ... that you've been in since September. Certainly don't want to SLOW you down.

jasonkyle
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report abuse hey at least the unit you are trying to sell had "buzz" again. maybe i helped you.

Are you asking to co-broke?

Hi Jason, to get back to your original question, the reason that the broker keeps altering the price by such insubstantial amounts is that each time they do it it shows up as a "new listing" again on their companies website. It is kind of a lazy attempt to make the listing look "fresher" than it may be. Hope that helps.

I think Jason knows this. In the past he's attacked JCDeniro for the same things.

no jc dinero did this thing where they listed like 50 apartments as sold all on the same day. it was totally weird but they claimed it was an error and i believed them. this is clearly not an error.

i don't have to move until june. why should i rush when all the places i looked at in the fall have all had serious price chops. i have saved a lot of money by being patient.

Jason, yes I remember when JC DeNiro's website went down, the only way they could reload all of the agents "previously sold" listings was to list them as active and then move them to sold and closed. It caused a lot of confusion.
Jason, if you are looking at mostly new developments you certainly have a lot of negotiating room on your side. But I would say definitely avoid ones that are not at least 60 to 70 percent closed already as these are the ones that you will have much less options for financing.
There are some developers who are "ahead of the curve" and willing to sell for substantial discounts right now, especially in Chelsea as they have had a number of defaults.

jasonkyle 1: "why should i rush"
jasonkyle 2: "i do not like dishonest business practices. especially ones that slow down my apartment search."

so are you not rushing or do you not want to be slowed down?

yes i am not in a rush yet i do not like my time wasted. what exactly is hard to understand about that?

jasonkyle 1: "ha no my boyfriend is way too busy earning us money so i can sit at home and waste my time on here"
jasonkyle 2: "i do not like my time wasted"

gosh you are infuriating laura cao. let's continue this tomorrow how should i contact you?
Email:lcao@elliman.com
Cell: (917) 378 8868
Phone: (212) 350 2828

yet again i question your reading comprehension. if i choose to be on here even though it is clearly often a time waster that is my choice. a broker wasting my time with silly "marketing tricks" like this is not my choice and therefore something i do not enjoy. sorry but again what exactly is hard to understand about that?

thanks nycbrokerdax. we are trying to stick to chelsea. and i have noticed the almost filled buildings in the west 20s between 6th and 7th are really into being negotiable.

jasonkyle, how many IDs do you have? ...or maybe you have two other twins? There are three people on this board, who have the same tendency to do the following:

A. Point out some innocuous point, which would indicate that his RE experience/knowledge in NYC is quite limited.
B. Others respond, "This is nothing. Don't tell us what we don't know."
C. He responds, "Everyone here is stupid, unethical, and illiterate."
D. He'd somehow respond multiple times without explicit reference points, so he seems mentally unstable.

Namely, divvie currently has another scary thread going as we speak about everyone buying now losing all down payments (w/ the exact same multiple "you're illiterate" come backs), and Slope[and some zip] had another on agents using false photos on their listings (again, w/ the exact same multiple "you're illiterate" come backs) recently. Odd, isn't it?

Jason and Ebutterfly, can't we play nicely?
In E butterfly's defense, I do not think the listing agent is trying to be able to claim "price reduced!" over and over on this listing, I think it is just a way to ensure for her seller that it keeps reappearing at the top of searches and as new. I think that this is something Douglas Elliman does on a regular basis, and I do not think it is a huge deal, I understand that Jason it feels like a "brokers trick" but I do not think there are bad intentions behind it. Again, I think that as part of training at DE agents are shown how to "Maximize" their listing exposure this way. At my company it is done a little differently.
In Jason's defense, I am not sure what makes you think Jason is not a "Real Buyer", there is a difference between someone "wasting their own time" playing on streeteasy and "having their time wasted" by agents who do not listen to the buyers questions and needs. Perhaps he has had negative experiences with brokers who were unethical, or not knowledgeable. We all know that they are out there.

hey vanderveen. i have one id. i am sorry to point out something annoying. anyone who isn't a broker and actually looking for a home now and using streeteasy's price cut search would probably agree it is annoying. that's all. i only kept replying because the broker came on here and engaged with me. it was amusing to spar with her for a bit but i think we are both over this discussion now. i don't understand what you have to gain by contributing and/or being insulting but i don't really feel i need to continue.

nycbrokerdax is right. i have had some really bad experiences while looking for an apartment since september 08. brokers exaggerate their listings all the time and sometimes outright lie. i just wish there was an ethical standard that was upheld too. i have seen many "bedrooms" that have no window and many many apartments where the square footage was way under what was advertised. if what was done here is no big deal then fine. it just seems silly to constantly change your price up and down 1000 dollars but i understand why.

Well, Jasonkyle, thanks for starting a discussion topic about what you simply consider "silly".

But really, I challenge you with this.
A specific item is available for purchase for $10.00.
Is it more valuable and attractive to you if
a) It was priced at $9 yesterday and increased in price
b) It was priced at $10 yesterday and there have been no changes in price
c) It was priced at $11 yesterday and the price were lowered by $1

you got caught up on this last night. i did not bring this up because i want the drop to be from a certain price. i think the drop should be huge at this point. it ain't selling. drop it a few hundred thousand dollars like most of the other apartments i've seen downtown are doing. dropping it a thou isn't gonna cut it. it just makes it show up as a price cut on that search when it isn't really getting a price cut at all. i don't know what other way i can explain that to you. perhaps we should discuss it on the phone. should i call you at elliman tomorrow?

Yes, call me at Elliman. Enjoy your time talking to the receptionist trying to explain how you thought one person on streeteasy who thinks you are an idiot is Laura Cao and that you must reach her.
Explain to the receptionist that even though the listing is $2.499 million, you aren't interested because it was only dropped from $2.5 million, but if that same exact listing were previously priced at $3MM, you would have bought it.
Basically your entire argument is premised on you being entirely gullible. And your criticism of Laura Cao is that she wasn't clever enough to put a higher price in the past so she could "discount" it even more to the otherwise same price today.

acris?

thats not the argument at all, it never was. the price on this unit is ridiculous no matter whether you factor in the annoying trick to keep the listing fresh or not. gleeclub are you ebutterfly? you two are the only ones who seem to that that is the point i was trying to make.

perhaps i should have said WHILE I WAS LOOKING FOR PRICE DECLINES IN DOWNTOWN TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS I CAME ACROSS THIS UNIT THAT HAD THIS SILLY RECURRENT 1000 DOLLAR ADJUSTMENT. I am not nor have I ever been interested in this unit. It just showed up in my search. I would not have been interested if the drop had been from a higher price. DO YOU GET THAT NOW

jasonkyle, let it go.

i had totally let it go yet now two people have come back here and tried to put words in my mouth. it's irritating.

and i tried to be nice-ish to you even though you accused me of being two other people who i am not.

jasonkyle, seriously, I think you need to chill. This isn't good for your health. Take a break. Take a day off from Streeteasy. It's just stupid, anonymous website where people talk as though they know it all when they don't.

You are clearly taking it waaaaay too seriously, and that's why people make fun of you. So what people misquote you? Again, it's just a stupid, anonymous website. Also about this $1,000 price change issue--chill! So what if they do it and you don't like it. Leave it. You don't have to announce it to the whole world. Don't go on and on and on about it. It doesn't seem healthy. Turn your PC off RIGHT NOW. Okay?

if you read the whole exchange you know i was playing around with laura cao quite a but. i even laughed at one of her comebacks which was pretty friggin' funny i don't really take all this very seriously at all. and i own a mac.

I don't think anyone else was laughing...that's the sad part...

who made you the judge of that? i read some other threads where you were outright nasty to people. i am not seeking your approval nor your advice here.

I am trying to be helpful here because you are clearly off your meds. You are making yourself look ABSOLUTELY MENTALLY ILL on this thread. You are being creepy. You are acting scary. You need help. No one is finding you charming and logical, as you appear to be thinking. Thank you.

and i am sure some people will think the same of you

Uhhh, okay.... Wow, what a strong comeback. I know you are, but what am I???
Anyhow, good night, and be sure to send my regards to your other personality, Slope11217.

off his meds, creepy, scary.... get a life vanderveen, no way has jason acted in these ways he has been more civil than not, and dealt admiralby with the bombardment of disagreemment. he attacks when he is attacked, but that seems it to me. Leave the man alone!!

but thats what you aren't getting. i am not trying to "come back" at you. this thread had nothing to do with you. you just injected yourself into it. also lets be clear. as i said up there i am a gay man. i would never ever ever live or look in park slope. so no matter what else you feel like saying about me know that there is no way in hell i am that other id you seem to want me to be. people who accuse others of doing something over and over again are usually the ones doing it.

thanks again nycbrokerdax. you were the only person who came on here and actually told me what was going on with this listing. now i know and probably won't ever think twice about it if i see it done on another listing.

i try and stay rational and not get involved in the name calling etc,,, just tell the facts

so jasonkyle and nycbrokerdax are in bed here, nice. I don't know what type of listings nycBROKERdax has, but I do know that jasonkyle is still struggling as a broker to at least get some referrals for flips of the studio line over at Yves Chelsea and possibly 133 West 22 if he's really lucky. What's half of half of 5% commission on a $650K apartment?

By the way, here's where jasonkyle (this is jasonkyle 1 or 2, I forget) tries to be rational and says he isn't into name calling: jasonkyle 2 " but thats what you aren't getting. i am not trying to "come back" at you. this thread had nothing to do with you. you just injected yourself into it. also lets be clear. as i said up there i am a gay man. i would never ever ever live or look in park slope. so no matter what else you feel like saying about me know that there is no way in hell i am that other id you seem to want me to be. people who accuse others of doing something over and over again are usually the ones doing it."

and then we should look at jasonklye 1, post#1 "Is this a joke. ... "How thoroughly stupid.
jasonkyle 2, post #4 as soon as he is questioned he lashes out "jasonkyle
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report abuse no it needs a real price cut to move. something far better than a 1000 dollar cut. it should go below 2 million and i think you are probably a broker so you should know that. don't be obtuse.
Ebutterfly
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report abuse I'm not obtuse. You are obtuse. Unbelievably obtuse in face.
Maybe that unit does need a price cut to move - I have no idea. But your originally stated criteria is if the price had declined. Not if the unit were at a price you wanted to buy it.
PS - I believe you are a broker. A broker with few too many listings and transactions.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse i just looked at my face and it is not obtuse
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse as i said i look for units that are smart enough to cut their prices. i search for them on streeteasy. the way to do that is to search for anything that has had a price decline in the last two days. this unit keeps popping up on that list because it has a fake decline every time the broker moves the price up and down a lousy 1000 dollars. i believe you have reading comprehension issues.
patient09
1 day ago
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report abuse Maybe the broker is Paris Hilton's (remember her) publicist, motto: any publicity is good publicity. Whatever floats their boat, who cares.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse and it is a fact i am a buyer looking for a two bedroom below 34th street on the west side. i have nothing against honest brokers. i don't like brokers who are manipulative. and i am certainly not in this field.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse I don't have reading comprehension issues at all. What I have is an acute understanding of who is simply out to cause trouble. Your logic of only looking for units with price cuts is backward. What if the unit was just listed? Is it not good enough even if it might be identical to a unit listed earlier that was listed for a higher price and is now the same price as the new unit? How sensible is that?
ps - I don't believe you are a buyer. No person in his or her right mind lumps all of 34th Street down to Battery Park in the same search. Admit you are a broker with a poor book of business.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse i would live anywhere off the a,c,e or 1 train lines below 34th street in manhattan since that is what is best for my work commute. i would prefer to stay in chelsea but would consider the west village and tribeca but probably cut myself off at chambers. i am sorry but don't you think them raising and lowering the price so little so that it shows up on the search for "recent price cuts" is annoying? If you searched on here you would know that all the other price cuts are substantial at this point. we are talking 10 to 20 percent discounts minimum. this is the only listing that has such a ridiculously low cut that shows up on that search for ALL of downtown. i am starting to think you are the broker for this unit. there is no other reason for you to be so up in arms about what is clearly an annoying broker trick.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse also you can search this board. i have been posting for months about my search and what have seen. i just searched for you and found that you have only commented on two threads. and they are bout about this building. interesting.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse and i never said i was ONLY looking for units with price cuts. i was doing this particular search. do you actually use streeteasy. if you did you would know this is a standard search. you check "price cuts within the past 2 days" and then you click a general area like "all downtown". within those i look for things in my range that i might be interested in. but trust me that is not all i do. i like most people on here am incredibly informed as a buyer. and someday we aren't even going to need brokers like you lady.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse Jasonkyle, it seems quite clearly to me that you are a broker with competing listings, and probably had some history with this particular broker - maybe she won a client from you that you lost?
Do I find it annoying that this broker raises and lowers the price - not really. I find it annoying when I'm on the express and I need to switch to the local and if the local just waited 10 more seconds the transfer could have been made. I find it annoying that some stores only open at Noon on Sundays but I need something earlier. I find a lot of things annoying. This, hardly. You seem the type who looks for reasons to be annoyed - what do they call that?, righteous indignation?
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse Jasonkyle, you seem very defensive too. 3 posts in a row to address my one ... why is that?
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse ugh now i find you annoying. you sound like a little child who won't accept something. I am not a broker. i am looking for an apartment actively. you are clearly the broker for this unit. good luck. you should drop it to about 1.7 and you might get a nibble.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse i like to separate out the posts for clarity
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse and blatant stupidity make me verbose
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse I think you found me annoying way back,as soon as I even responded. I suspect that might have been the case if I said, "nice day, isn't it?" So now what is my rank on your annoyance list and how long actually is that list? Must be pretty long for a $1000 price move up and down to get you so excited.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse ps - Jason, which is your listing, is it 11C listed for $2.45MM? Or are you only aspiring to represent listings over $2MM. Maybe some day.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse ha you are the one who picked a fight with me lady. i am sure you are very nice laura cao. have a nice evening
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse wow you really are the broker. you have been pwned. nice headshot though. very pretty.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse Oh thank you jasonkyle, from a gay man, that'll really get me going.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse "Or are you only aspiring to represent listings over $2MM. Maybe some day"
that actually made me laugh. it was the only good comment you made in the whole thread. good for you. i am still not a broker though.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse Ok, we believe you.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse well you looked up most of my posts you should
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse It is all about you. You might as well be the one raising and lowering prices by $1000, as you seem so good at attracting unnecessary attention.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse i do not like dishonest business practices. especially ones that slow down my apartment search. it is as simple as that. if you think this isn't slightly dishonest you have different standards than i do. good for you. you will probably go far as a broker.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse hey at least the unit you are trying to sell had "buzz" again. maybe i helped you.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse Well no one wants to slow down your apartment search ... that you've been in since September. Certainly don't want to SLOW you down.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse jasonkyle
1 minute ago
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report abuse hey at least the unit you are trying to sell had "buzz" again. maybe i helped you.

Are you asking to co-broke?
nycbrokerdax
1 day ago
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report abuse Hi Jason, to get back to your original question, the reason that the broker keeps altering the price by such insubstantial amounts is that each time they do it it shows up as a "new listing" again on their companies website. It is kind of a lazy attempt to make the listing look "fresher" than it may be. Hope that helps.

Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse I think Jason knows this. In the past he's attacked JCDeniro for the same things.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse no jc dinero did this thing where they listed like 50 apartments as sold all on the same day. it was totally weird but they claimed it was an error and i believed them. this is clearly not an error.
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse i don't have to move until june. why should i rush when all the places i looked at in the fall have all had serious price chops. i have saved a lot of money by being patient.
nycbrokerdax
1 day ago
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report abuse Jason, yes I remember when JC DeNiro's website went down, the only way they could reload all of the agents "previously sold" listings was to list them as active and then move them to sold and closed. It caused a lot of confusion.
Jason, if you are looking at mostly new developments you certainly have a lot of negotiating room on your side. But I would say definitely avoid ones that are not at least 60 to 70 percent closed already as these are the ones that you will have much less options for financing.
There are some developers who are "ahead of the curve" and willing to sell for substantial discounts right now, especially in Chelsea as they have had a number of defaults.
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse jasonkyle 1: "why should i rush"
jasonkyle 2: "i do not like dishonest business practices. especially ones that slow down my apartment search."

so are you not rushing or do you not want to be slowed down?
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse yes i am not in a rush yet i do not like my time wasted. what exactly is hard to understand about that?
Ebutterfly
1 day ago
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report abuse jasonkyle 1: "ha no my boyfriend is way too busy earning us money so i can sit at home and waste my time on here"
jasonkyle 2: "i do not like my time wasted"
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse gosh you are infuriating laura cao. let's continue this tomorrow how should i contact you?
Email:lcao@elliman.com
Cell: (917) 378 8868
Phone: (212) 350 2828

jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse yet again i question your reading comprehension. if i choose to be on here even though it is clearly often a time waster that is my choice. a broker wasting my time with silly "marketing tricks" like this is not my choice and therefore something i do not enjoy. sorry but again what exactly is hard to understand about that?
jasonkyle
1 day ago
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report abuse thanks nycbrokerdax. we are trying to stick to chelsea. and i have noticed the almost filled buildings in the west 20s between 6th and 7th are really into being negotiable.

vanderveen
about 23 hours ago
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report abuse jasonkyle, how many IDs do you have? ...or maybe you have two other twins? There are three people on this board, who have the same tendency to do the following:

A. Point out some innocuous point, which would indicate that his RE experience/knowledge in NYC is quite limited.
B. Others respond, "This is nothing. Don't tell us what we don't know."
C. He responds, "Everyone here is stupid, unethical, and illiterate."
D. He'd somehow respond multiple times without explicit reference points, so he seems mentally unstable.

Namely, divvie currently has another scary thread going as we speak about everyone buying now losing all down payments (w/ the exact same multiple "you're illiterate" come backs), and Slope[and some zip] had another on agents using false photos on their listings (again, w/ the exact same multiple "you're illiterate" come backs) recently. Odd, isn't it?
nycbrokerdax
about 21 hours ago
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report abuse Jason and Ebutterfly, can't we play nicely?
In E butterfly's defense, I do not think the listing agent is trying to be able to claim "price reduced!" over and over on this listing, I think it is just a way to ensure for her seller that it keeps reappearing at the top of searches and as new. I think that this is something Douglas Elliman does on a regular basis, and I do not think it is a huge deal, I understand that Jason it feels like a "brokers trick" but I do not think there are bad intentions behind it. Again, I think that as part of training at DE agents are shown how to "Maximize" their listing exposure this way. At my company it is done a little differently.
In Jason's defense, I am not sure what makes you think Jason is not a "Real Buyer", there is a difference between someone "wasting their own time" playing on streeteasy and "having their time wasted" by agents who do not listen to the buyers questions and needs. Perhaps he has had negative experiences with brokers who were unethical, or not knowledgeable. We all know that they are out there.
jasonkyle
about 21 hours ago
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report abuse hey vanderveen. i have one id. i am sorry to point out something annoying. anyone who isn't a broker and actually looking for a home now and using streeteasy's price cut search would probably agree it is annoying. that's all. i only kept replying because the broker came on here and engaged with me. it was amusing to spar with her for a bit but i think we are both over this discussion now. i don't understand what you have to gain by contributing and/or being insulting but i don't really feel i need to continue.

nycbrokerdax is right. i have had some really bad experiences while looking for an apartment since september 08. brokers exaggerate their listings all the time and sometimes outright lie. i just wish there was an ethical standard that was upheld too. i have seen many "bedrooms" that have no window and many many apartments where the square footage was way under what was advertised. if what was done here is no big deal then fine. it just seems silly to constantly change your price up and down 1000 dollars but i understand why.
Ebutterfly
about 10 hours ago
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report abuse Well, Jasonkyle, thanks for starting a discussion topic about what you simply consider "silly".

But really, I challenge you with this.
A specific item is available for purchase for $10.00.
Is it more valuable and attractive to you if
a) It was priced at $9 yesterday and increased in price
b) It was priced at $10 yesterday and there have been no changes in price
c) It was priced at $11 yesterday and the price were lowered by $1
jasonkyle
about 9 hours ago
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report abuse you got caught up on this last night. i did not bring this up because i want the drop to be from a certain price. i think the drop should be huge at this point. it ain't selling. drop it a few hundred thousand dollars like most of the other apartments i've seen downtown are doing. dropping it a thou isn't gonna cut it. it just makes it show up as a price cut on that search when it isn't really getting a price cut at all. i don't know what other way i can explain that to you. perhaps we should discuss it on the phone. should i call you at elliman tomorrow?

gleeclub
about 9 hours ago
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report abuse Yes, call me at Elliman. Enjoy your time talking to the receptionist trying to explain how you thought one person on streeteasy who thinks you are an idiot is Laura Cao and that you must reach her.
Explain to the receptionist that even though the listing is $2.499 million, you aren't interested because it was only dropped from $2.5 million, but if that same exact listing were previously priced at $3MM, you would have bought it.
Basically your entire argument is premised on you being entirely gullible. And your criticism of Laura Cao is that she wasn't clever enough to put a higher price in the past so she could "discount" it even more to the otherwise same price today.
ACRIS
about 9 hours ago
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report abuse acris?
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse thats not the argument at all, it never was. the price on this unit is ridiculous no matter whether you factor in the annoying trick to keep the listing fresh or not. gleeclub are you ebutterfly? you two are the only ones who seem to that that is the point i was trying to make.
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse perhaps i should have said WHILE I WAS LOOKING FOR PRICE DECLINES IN DOWNTOWN TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS I CAME ACROSS THIS UNIT THAT HAD THIS SILLY RECURRENT 1000 DOLLAR ADJUSTMENT. I am not nor have I ever been interested in this unit. It just showed up in my search. I would not have been interested if the drop had been from a higher price. DO YOU GET THAT NOW
vanderveen
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse jasonkyle, let it go.
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse i had totally let it go yet now two people have come back here and tried to put words in my mouth. it's irritating.
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse and i tried to be nice-ish to you even though you accused me of being two other people who i am not.
vanderveen
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse jasonkyle, seriously, I think you need to chill. This isn't good for your health. Take a break. Take a day off from Streeteasy. It's just stupid, anonymous website where people talk as though they know it all when they don't.

You are clearly taking it waaaaay too seriously, and that's why people make fun of you. So what people misquote you? Again, it's just a stupid, anonymous website. Also about this $1,000 price change issue--chill! So what if they do it and you don't like it. Leave it. You don't have to announce it to the whole world. Don't go on and on and on about it. It doesn't seem healthy. Turn your PC off RIGHT NOW. Okay?
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse if you read the whole exchange you know i was playing around with laura cao quite a but. i even laughed at one of her comebacks which was pretty friggin' funny i don't really take all this very seriously at all. and i own a mac.
vanderveen
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse I don't think anyone else was laughing...that's the sad part...
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse who made you the judge of that? i read some other threads where you were outright nasty to people. i am not seeking your approval nor your advice here.
vanderveen
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse I am trying to be helpful here because you are clearly off your meds. You are making yourself look ABSOLUTELY MENTALLY ILL on this thread. You are being creepy. You are acting scary. You need help. No one is finding you charming and logical, as you appear to be thinking. Thank you.
jasonkyle
about 8 hours ago
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report abuse and i am sure some people will think the same of you
vanderveen
about 7 hours ago
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report abuse Uhhh, okay.... Wow, what a strong comeback. I know you are, but what am I???
Anyhow, good night, and be sure to send my regards to your other personality, Slope11217.
nycbrokerdax
about 7 hours ago
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report abuse off his meds, creepy, scary.... get a life vanderveen, no way has jason acted in these ways he has been more civil than not, and dealt admiralby with the bombardment of disagreemment. he attacks when he is attacked, but that seems it to me. Leave the man alone!!
jasonkyle
about 7 hours ago
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report abuse but thats what you aren't getting. i am not trying to "come back" at you. this thread had nothing to do with you. you just injected yourself into it. also lets be clear. as i said up there i am a gay man. i would never ever ever live or look in park slope. so no matter what else you feel like saying about me know that there is no way in hell i am that other id you seem to want me to be. people who accuse others of doing something over and over again are usually the ones doing it.
jasonkyle
about 7 hours ago
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report abuse thanks again nycbrokerdax. you were the only person who came on here and actually told me what was going on with this listing. now i know and probably won't ever think twice about it if i see it done on another listing.

nycbrokerdax
about 7 hours ago
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report abuse i try and stay rational and not get involved in the name calling etc,,, just tell the facts
Ebutterfly
less than a minute ago
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report abuse so jasonkyle and nycbrokerdax are in bed here, nice. I don't know what type of listings nycBROKERdax has, but I do know that jasonkyle is still struggling as a broker to at least get some referrals for flips of the studio line over at Yves Chelsea and possibly 133 West 22 if he's really lucky. What's half of half of 5% commission on a $650K apartment?
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By the way, here's where jasonkyle (this is jasonkyle 1 or 2, I forget) tries to be rational and says he isn't into name calling: jasonkyle 2 " but thats what you aren't getting. i am not trying to "come back" at you. this thread had nothing to do with you. you just injected yourself into it. also lets be clear. as i said up there i am a gay man. i would never ever ever live or look in park slope. so no matter what else you feel like saying about me know that there is no way in hell i am that other id you seem to want me to be. people who accuse others of doing something over and over again are usually the ones doing it."

and then we should look at jasonklye 1, post#1 "Is this a joke. ... How thoroughly stupid."
jasonkyle 1, post #4 after he is challenged for the first time, "and i think you are probably a broker so you should know that. don't be obtuse."
So quick with the insults for such a peaceful get-along type of guy

Wow, don't know how that happened

it should have read, a slightly more brief:

By the way, here's where jasonkyle (this is jasonkyle 1 or 2, I forget) tries to be rational and says he isn't into name calling: jasonkyle 2 " but thats what you aren't getting. i am not trying to "come back" at you. this thread had nothing to do with you. you just injected yourself into it. also lets be clear. as i said up there i am a gay man. i would never ever ever live or look in park slope. so no matter what else you feel like saying about me know that there is no way in hell i am that other id you seem to want me to be. people who accuse others of doing something over and over again are usually the ones doing it."

and then we should look at jasonklye 1, post#1 "Is this a joke. ... "How thoroughly stupid.."
jasonkyle 1, post #4 after he is challenged for the first time, "and i think you are probably a broker so you should know that. don't be obtuse."
So quick with the insults for such a peaceful get-along type of guy

i think people can come here and read the thread themselves without you picking and choosing what you would like them to re-focus on. what is being done with this listing is stupid. even if it's harmless it is still just dumb. i stand by that. and i also stand by asking you not to be obtuse. in fact i'd ask you again if i thought it would have any effect. but clearly this is a lost cause. you should focus on correctly pricing this unit so you don't lose it when your exclusive runs out. good luck

and i wasn't "challenged" by you. you misread what i was saying. that is all i have been asking you to note for like days now. poor thing

OMG, jasonkyle, Ebutterfly, what a bunch of whiney brokers you are. I'm sorry that both of you can't get any listings sold.

oh if only i was a broker i would have known what she was doing here with this listing was and never would have started this godforsaken thread to begin with. just someone who wants to buy an actual home here. to live in. and then never be involved in the world of real estate again.

jasonkyle and Ebutterfly both need medications. The only difference: One is better informed than the other, but the fact remains that neither is well...

ALOTBAR: jasonkyle CANNOT possibly be a broker. He doesn't seem to know anything about real estate. Just read his comments in other threads. He is more like a Boyscout who hasn't taken his meds.

oh vanderveen you are so sweet for defending me like that and agreeing i am not a broker. all is forgiven.

Hey Jasonkyle, how's your "search" going? Have you signed up any new properties with listing prices over $1MM, or are you still sticking to East Village studio rentals from Jakobson properties?

Oh my gosh are you kidding me at this point? Six weeks later? Look up all my posts. I am looking for a 2 bedroom in Chelsea you oddball. I haven't been concocting a fictional search just for your sake Laura Cau. Although I will say my first apartment that I was on a lease for as a college kid was a Jakobson and it was a lot better priced then your listing at 200 Chambers Street Laura.
Ooh wow 11C is now 400,000 dollars lower than your listing for 12C. Don't you think it's time you started acting in your seller's best interest and tell them to lower the price instead of wasting time on this message board. At least you stopped with the silly constant price adjusting so maybe you are growing as a person. I wish you the best.

oh, so you've narrowed your search. Criteria:
1 - Chelsea (ignore my search on Chambers Street, I got confused with CHelsea and CHambers)
2 - Must have had a price chop, even if it was priced right to start
3 - I must be able to demonstrate to my boyfriend that my search was really tough, so that he feels ok that I sit home doing nothing all day and he's the breadwinner.

You are behaving like a child. That is not what the case at all. I have explained this to you too many times for you to still be this oblivious.

as i said on the other thread that you brought me up on even though I had nothing to do with it:
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/9340-in-the-sub-1m-market-do-cuts-of-5-make-sense
Hey Ebutterfly. I like to see where the market is going by looking at the price drops yes. I do that specific search on Streeteasy quite a bit to see if anything I have already seen pops up on it. I usually focus on Chelsea but if the list is small that day I check all downtown. It's quicker than waiting for the Streeteasy updates which have been on the slow side of late. Sorry if you don't approve but since you are a Real Estate agent why would you. It means less commission for you.

lol, jasonkyle, did you notice that the weather was a bit colder this morning and warmed up later in the day? That must have really really annoyed you, you delicate little flower.

I actually have a much better sense of humor than you as displayed by this thread. So let's not try to be funny now Laura, its beyond your grasp. I just found out Natasha Richardson did indeed die from falling and bumping her head on a ski slope. It's incredibly sad and proves life is too short for this nonsense. Find someone else to try and fight with. Your comments are bordering on creepy and homophobic now. It's time to let it go.

Oh, poor Natasha Richardson. How come you only talk about celebrities who die during expensive dangerous leisure trips? How come you don't care about the nameless, faceless person in Africa? HOw about the man whose had HIV for 15 years and died - how come only Natasha Richardson seems to get your attention? You call me a homophobe - I think you are a racist, elistist, starfucker with no grounding in the world and what is truly important. That's why you think it is so important to rant and rave about a $1000 price cut ... literally.

Your starting to sound really crazy now. Mentioning one thing does not mean someone doesn't care about others. You are an angry sad person. I feel pity for you. I wish you the best.

I'm angry? You started expressing your anger over a $1000 price drop.
and don't think others believe your "I wish you the best"... that is only to make you feel better about yourself.

Laura that was 7 weeks ago at this point. And it was never "anger". I just wasn't familiar with this kind of idiocy that goes on in this business to make a listing look fresh. Let it go.

oh, you weren't "familiar" oh, ok

Wow Streeteasy also took down another one of your posts, The one where you accused me of wearing panties today. Yet again I have to say someone must have found it offensive cause your post is now gone and I think only a Streeteasy moderator can do that. I certainly didn't ask them to take it down. I was happy to have your offensive post on display for all to see.

jsmith9005
about 11 weeks ago
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report abuse What is the thinking behind all the asking price changes?

... so 11 weeks ago, or 4 weeks prior to you not being familar, despite that you searched for a home below 34th street, someone else (you by another name?) had the same discussion topic ... but you needed your own discussion topic on this. No, you weren't acting in righteous indignation.
http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/7147-200-chambers-12c

Um yeah. My second post on this thread acknowledges that I found that thread after I posted this. You are now pointing out things I pointed out myself. After you said I wore panties, accused me of being a kept boy and made a lewd comment about my sexual position. Keep the hits coming Laura Cau. It must be doing wonders for you reputation to display such restraint on here.

jasonkyle
6 minutes ago
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report abuse Wow Streeteasy also took down another one of your posts, The one where you accused me of wearing panties today.

lol, I'm not sure why it is offensive except if we are in a "G' environment, but I appreciate you restating it yourself. Thanks Jason!

jasonkyle
2 minutes ago
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report abuse ... accused me of being a kept boy

interesting, I never used those words or similar. very very interesting how you read things.

AND, " made a lewd comment about my sexual position"

hmm, exactly what did I say? vs. what did you interpret based on your own understanding of the facts that I would have no basis to know?

It was deleted for the moderator for a reason Laura Cau. I will not repeat the things you said. You should be glad they took them down because you really embarrassed yourself.

I'm not embarassed by anything I've said. Are you embarassed that you can't stand up for yourself on your own?

I would love for them to repost what you said. I certainly did not need the help. You were doing a fine job of making yourself look like a hate-monger. Streeteasy actually made you look better by deleting the 3 most homophobic posts you made. You should be thanking them not still nagging at me.

Calling someone out on their homophobia does is not what an ashamed person does. You are totally delusional. If you keep going down this path you will probably get some more posts deleted.

I'll forgive you an occasionally poor post / poor grammar.

But my question for you jasonkyle is exactly what are you yourself ashamed of? After we can talk about exactly what embarasses you, then we can talk about why you are embarassed about the truth that you claim you are proud of.

Jason how do you know Ebutterfly is Laura Cau ?