South Harlem - 110-125streets

I've had my eye on that building on Central Park North, an older brick building with 4 or 5 new floors built on the top. I guess it's still a little rough up there? but I love the park view & I'm a single urban male so I don't have to worry about the wife & kids angle. What's the name of that cafe on 110th & CPW? I think it's a cool area. Anybody else?

what the f is a single "urban" male???

I'm not from the country or the suburbs where someone who isn't just like me is scary & suspect. Oooooo, the 'inner city'.

110-125 is only nice west of Morningside Park.
Its a natural divide that keeps the scum out.

any comments on the rents? and what about the new development SOHA 118?- ty

I'm also a "single urban male" and I've lived in the area immediately east of Morningside Park (at 117th St.) for nearly six years. It's ridiculously safe, anecdotally and statistically. The crime level is 84, indexed (=100) against the entire nation. 200 would be double the national crime rate. Manhattan is 109; Morningside Heights = 113; Upper West Side = 122; West Village = 175!!! This data is available by using the neighborhood pulldown at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/realestate/communities/index.html

15 years ago, both the neighborhood and Morningside Park were truly dangerous, but not at all anymore.

The definite downside to the area (or upside if you're so inclined) is the relative lack of restaurants and similar retail, especially of the destination variety. This is likely to improve a bit, but not dramatically. The new construction is mostly "right-sized", meaning it will remain a quiet and leafy area, yet with great subway and bus connections.

I, however, am up for a Mitchell-Lama coop, and so I'm selling my beautiful park view 2BR/2ba. See http://www.alanhart.net if interested. If it doesn't work out FSBO, I have a broker selected, so BROKERS DON'T TRY TO SELL ME ON LISTING WITH YOU PLEASE. You'd just waste your time.

Other new condo developments right near me are 394 Manhattan, 18 Morningside Ave, Soha 118 (as mentioned), Brownstone Lane II. I'm less familiar with the rental market.

Very attractive apartment, no stainless & granite in the kitchen (a plus for me!) and an interesting area. I think the place will sell itself. Good luck!

Thanks, #8. I think many people are getting sick of smudgy steel -- it's been in Home Depot for years now.

To Poster #7:
In my opinion your asking price is way to high. At that price I'd rather buy a unit at Soha 118 (http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/301-west-118-street-manhattan) or at the Rosa Park (http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/163-st-nicholas-avenue-manhattan). I even wouldn't buy it at $675K. A unit on the 1st floor in the same building was at $685K on 03/08/2006. The price went down to $545K on 06/23/2006. Then the ad was no longer available for a reason that I don't know. Good luck really ...

By the way, I love stainless steel appliances. Take a look at the rendering of kitchen at http://www.soha118.com/

#10--the 1st floor unit, besides being on the ground floor, was facing foreclosure, and sold for way under market. Great for the buyer! But it's an anomaly. Those two buildings that you mentioned are very nice. My apartment's key selling point is the beautiful park view, and the guaranteed openness that comes with it -- no tall building will ever be built in that space. Additionally, about 30 remaining years of tax abatement, low CCs, and the charm of the prewar exterior set it apart. And finally, its specific location is blissfully quiet, because it's on the corner of a charming tree-lined brownstone street and a wide avenue across which cars can't cross Morningside Park between 110th and 123rd, so it's not on the way to anywhere. 8th ave. is exactly the opposite: narrow, with retail and double-parking all along. If you explored the area up close, which I encourage you to do, you'd see the block-to-block differences that really affect quality of life -- and pricing.

I too am looking in that area. I plan on renting until I find the place I want to buy. I'm looking for a one-bedroom -- "urban" female LOL! But, a lot of the one bedrooms are restricted to a lottery basis. I figure I can watch the progress and get in on the ground floor -- loads of empty lots that they will build on.

I am moving into the area with my wife and my 2 kids (5 & 2 year old girls). Great space and value for the money. Great views.

don't go to harlem. it is very dangerous at night. my cousin was raped 2 months ago on 110 and central park north. people are very poor north of 100 and they will catch you if you get out after 9pm and harm you. people are hungry over there. they'll kill you for a dollar.

Also, the Upper West Side is very dangerous. It has street gangs made up of Puerto Ricans and whites -- especially beware of the Sharks and the Jets. They'll dance-fight you to death if you get caught in the middle.

i am serious. blacks are very poor north of 110 and they don't like whites invading their neighborhood where they have lived for 100 years. imagine barely affording renting a small 500 studio and seeing white fat people purchasing a townhouse for 2 mil or more. how would you feel. a friend of mine moved there and bought a 2 mil townhouse and now is depressed. he can't get out with his kids after 6pm. no bars, no food market!!!!

#16 Why don't you move back to the 1950s where your mentality is from. Harlem is a diverse and vibrant multicultural community. With supermarkets, movie theatres, cafes, restaurants, parks, etc. As a matter of fact, on my block live several differnt sorts, including Asian, Blacks, WHites, gays and the like. There is even a white Academy Awarding winning actress and her family (Marcia Gay Harden)!

It is very sad that there are still people like #16 around.

you say that because you invested in the area and want to believe inthis dream. listen for the money you can buy a great space in brooklyn heights near everything and safe . when you have kids you think differently and your prurchaers one day will be a family

#19, are you drunk or just really bad with grammar/typing?

but you are not responding to #19

you are a broker and do not mind destroying peoples lives by selling them a dream that harlem will turn into park slope

#19/22 has to be the same idiot who said a couple of weeks ago that it would be dangerous to buy at prewar doorman building facing the park on 5th Ave. and 101st St., because there are "Hispanics who attack white women and children like wolves." He is just a small little man with "little assets" and a tiny mind ignore him. Notice how he did not respond to my post (#17).

go away broker . there are many culturally diverse neghborhoods in NYC that do not come with the same risk that harlem comes with these days . you need to get to work and sell some property

I am many things: A family man, a person with an Ivy League degree, a native New Yorker, a world traveller, but I am not now nor have I ever been a broker. Why is it that you keep insisting on this inane prattling? Why can't you even offer a response to Post #17? I know that I am ignoring my one advice to ignore this idiot, but I expected at least some sort of cogent response from my first post. I guess the tiny comments are touching on a wee nerve, so I couldn’t resist one additional post.

if not a broker you must of just bought a home in harlem good luck

19/22/etc. must also be the same idiot who said
*in the 1960s that the Upper West Side, Park Slope and Brooklyn Heights would keep going downhill
*in the 1970s that SoHo and the fringier parts of the Village would stay isolated holes
*in the 1980s that Chelsea, Tribeca, and the East Village would plummet
*in the 1990s that Hell's Kitchen, Carroll Gardens and the Lower East Side would plunge into darkness.

please go away troll

yes you are a troll. a nasty green troll with big tail.

actually the troll might be right. harlem is the tribeca of tomorrow.
buy a townhouse at 1.5 waite 5 years and you'll make 100% return.

what townhouse for 1.5

there are plenty. yo just are not looking inot the right places.
maybe working with the wrong brokers. go east harlem el barrio or north of
135 and 5th

Sadly I see that mention of Harlem always seems to bring out our baser instincts & I think the response is spelled r-a-c-i-s-m. There are good & bad in all of us & it doesn't make you a bad person to be in a lower tax bracket, despite what our current administration in D.C. might think.

O.P., have you had a chance to explore the area and offerings yet?

O.P., my dear, have YOU been exploring the area & offerings? Presumably you're the one who's going to be living up there. Go up there and hang & see if you've found your new 'hood.

I don't understand #35. I, #34, asked the Original Poster if he's pursued this in the past week or so.

You're right. As I hit REPLY I realized that it wasn't the original poster but someone else asking the same question. Oops.

check this place out www.50westcondominium.com

who would live in Harlem...people in Harlem don't want to live there.

The area is getting better. If I am single, I would live there. But with my wife and two little kids, no way. Have you guys been a small fried chicken place on 111th and lenox, a short block from CPN? Go and find why they needed to install the glass wall to separate customers and cashier. Walk around at early morning, late night, see by yourself what you'll be dealing with. Everyone has defferent security measure.

I think CPN and is great and certainly Morningside Heights is great. It is totally safe for kids. Like most things in NYC, everything is block by block, so you just need to chekc out the blocks where you want to live and make sure they're not too rough for you.

as with any neighborhood go after dark and walk around

Why not look at the comp stat scores for that precinct, they are actually pretty low.

http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/111-central-park-north-manhattan/visit?link=nypd_precinct

> Why not look at the comp stat scores for that precinct, they are actually pretty low.

Because people with opinions don't need facts... they sometimes get in the way.