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If Sonia Sotomayor is confirmed and moves to Washington, D.C., how much do you think she will get for her 999 square foot Greenwich Village condo? The full description of the condo is here: http://tinyurl.com/kltecc
Sotomayor is a lesbain? And what did she do with all the mortgage money? Oh, and for those of you reading this at work and want to keep your job, DO NOT click on the words "sapphic friends" in the article. I repeat, DO NOT CLICK ON THEM.
"Sotomayor is a lesbain?"
Apparently quite a big one.
wait until the Senate republicans find out. Wait until Boss Limbaugh fids out. LOL
Sotomayor is a big French bath? Well that's fine, I'm very tolerant, and at least she's not a big French shower.
i have zero issues with sotomayor's public life. it's her legal mind that is troubling, but it won't be the first time someone without intellectual heft took a seat on the SC.
"someone without intellectual heft "
Its always refreshing to know someone who finishes first in their class at Princeton is actually adummy because Shannity and Limbo say so.
@alanhart. If she was a big French shower, then she would be a big douche. Wait a minute. . .you night be on to something there.
@aboutready. You are right it is not her private life that is troubling, it is her legal opinions, especially the one where she strikes down merit and hard working firefighters.
And yes, a blog like this is certainly a firm source for her being a lesbian.
And btw, straight people do frequent bars in the village...even with gay people in tow.
going to an ivy league school does not make you smart. Do you really think Bush would have gotten into Harvard Business had his last name not been Bush? Would Barack and Michelle Obama have been admitted to Harvard Law if their skin color was different?
Actually, I am troubled by the "privacy" of her "private life".
If she's not "out" as a dyke, then she's a hypocrite -- just as bad (if not worse) as the closeted gay Republicans.
oh, and for the record, I really could not care less about affirmative action EXCEPT in medical school. Any med school that admits based on race should be shut down since a screw up can kill someone.
jason, i know a number of attorneys who have had her as a judge on their cases (including one who is married to me). she's not necessarily a dummy, but i wouldn't compare her to ginsberg favorably.
alpine, that's piggish. obama was editor of the law review, no? and you can't say it was BECAUSE of his race, as he was the first to do so.
bush, on the other hand, wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the name bush. and, funnily, he didn't get all that far even with the bush name before becoming POTUS.
nycmatt, you're unintentionally funny.
"oh, and for the record, I really could not care less about affirmative action EXCEPT in medical school. Any med school that admits based on race should be shut down since a screw up can kill someone."
Right. Because the worst that an incompetent pilot could do is give someone a bad day.
'going to an ivy league school does not make you smart."
No, but again FINISHING FIRST IN YOUR CLASS, as in with better grades than anyone else you went to school with, does in fact make you "smart."
First in her class. Not with honors. Not in the top 10%. TOP OF THE CLASS.
i don't think she's a lesbian (not that it matters) because she was married and also engaged.
being smart doesn't necessarily mean being a good judge, nor does it mean being an intellectual. one of my college roommates graduated summa cum laude and phi beta kappa but only took one english course because she got a B+ in it. had almost a perfect grade point average, and couldn't compare and contrast or think of a thesis topic to save her soul.
"i don't think she's a lesbian (not that it matters) because she was married and also engaged."
Oh julia ... what color is the sky in your world??
I don't think she's a lesbian either. She probably was just really really drunk, and can't remember a thing.
To be sure, though, I'd have to see photos of her condo. Is she a sloppy housekeeper, with lots of cats and hummus around?
NYCMatt...i don't understand what you mean..what color is the sky in your world?
I'm still curious about the answer to the question of how someone at the top of her class at Princeton lacks intellectual heft...
It's difficult to tell who will be an excellent Justice from their background, though we can sometimes see who will not be up to par (e.g., Justice Thomas).
There is nothing in Judge Sotomayor's background that gives indication that she will be either stellar or below the standard. Only time will tell.
She has impressive academic credentials....valedictorian at high school, finished summa at Princeton (though was not first in class), editor on Yale Law Journal. Credentials are a benchmark but as others point out, it is not always an accurate indicator of performance. She is a former prosecutor so I don't know if that means she has a more conservative bias on criminal justice issues. Frankly, I agree with some of her "off the cuff" comments so I see those as indication of traits I find favorable. I hope that she has been sufficiently vetted such that there are no surprises.
Alpine, you remain a huge Jersey racist, that's awesome. I'd have to assume that given how high Obama finished in his law school class, that he'd likely have been admitted as white.
I like how the definitions of intellect are so flexible. McCain surely had 'smarts' regardless of his C average in college or the fact the highlight of his military career was getting shot down.
"NYCMatt...i don't understand what you mean..what color is the sky in your world?"
I mean that you're being acutely naive.
There are plenty of people who get engaged and married to the opposite sex who are gay.
"being smart doesn't necessarily mean being a good judge, nor does it mean being an intellectual. one of my college roommates graduated summa cum laude and phi beta kappa but only took one english course because she got a B+ in it. had almost a perfect grade point average, and couldn't compare and contrast or think of a thesis topic to save her soul."
Yes, but being a good judge comes from her being hispanic.
"I'd have to assume that given how high Obama finished in his law school class, that he'd likely have been admitted as white."
I'm not sure how much they factor in your future GPA into the admissions process.
Please check off the box that best matches the GPA you plan to have.
The inference I am drawing is that if you're smart enough to get better grades than average in law school, chances are your application was pretty strong. Assuming some correlation, not perfect... But I do appreciate your self indulgent drawn out response. Surely we'd have been better off with a senile C average of privilege.
nyc10022, law school admissions offices factor in existing (college) GPAs. What's your point?
alpine, there's no room for racist remarks on this thread; this is a homophobia thread. Racist!
She's not going to make that much of a difference on the court...she's replacing a liberal...replacing Kennedy now that would make a difference....
> nyc10022, law school admissions offices factor in existing (college) GPAs. What's your point?
Alan, I agree with your point, but its a VERY different point than I just made. Read it and the original claim again.
Ah, I see your point, and I apologize.
Do you think that, generally speaking, admissions offices can roughly predict future performance based on past performance? Similarly, when you hire employees, do you merely go for a good social fit (as many do, possibly legitimately), or are you trying to predict future performance based on past "GPAs"?
Nyc10022...what was your point? My sense of your point was that regardless of how well Obama did in law school, we cannot pre-suppose he would have been admitted as white...In fact we are to suppose he would not have been. Congratulations that is impossible to disprove. We'd probably need access to his application to judge this...as well as all the others...and deep insight into the admissions process.
In the end, aren't you really just dignifying Alpine's asinine racist statement? Yeah, pretty much. Given imperfect information, I am willing to bet that if a law school is admitting people on their sense of potential, and ex post someone kicks their ass to the top of the class, then chances are their particulars were above average...above the white admit average. Otherwise, I am forced to make an even worse assumption... that a top law school is plain bad at making admission decisions. I would venture that his upbringing had more to do with admission than race...success over disadvantage is a fantastic criterion...One that with the benefit of hindsight has proven again, correct, pre and post his graduation.
I don't care if someone finishes first or last in their class. My main thing is people getting into schools based on their race or other special factors. How the hell did Alberto Gonzales get into Harvard Law? That dummy should not have even been admitted to SUNY Law. How did Bush's niece get into Princeton despite the fact that her stats were lower than everone elses'? In fact, I wonder if Schumer's daughter got special treatment when she was admitted to Stuvyestant.
"Yes, but being a good judge comes from her being hispanic."
She was speaking particular of specific past discrimination and sexism cases, not abotu all cases. Even then she was saying that we all agree that the justices were wrong in Dredd V Scott (which allowed separate but equal schooling for blacks) and other such cases, just as we all agree that Brown v Board was correct. She points out that what everyone now considers correct and incorrect rulings were all made by panels of all white make judges in the referenced cases, so clearly white men are not incapable of such. however she wonders that if there had been women or minorities on the court during these past "wrong" rulings cases if the outcome would have been different, because of the life experiences of said fictional women and minority judges. Thus in this context she hopes a latina could more more often reach better conclusions.
Incidently, Thomas and Alito (especially ALioto) have said similar things, and many of Thomas's GOP supporters said essentially the exact same thing when touting him...that there particular backgrounds made them particularly well-suited to rule on discrimination cases.
So I laugh at the faux outrage, and the frequent out-of-context quoting of SS - as though she said Latina's were always at all times better judges than white men.
I don't like Sotomayor's ruling in the New Haven fire department case. That was totally racially motivated. Personally, I was hoping that Obama would nominate Elizabeth Warren to the court, but I knew that was never going to happen.
"Do you think that, generally speaking, admissions offices can roughly predict future performance based on past performance? Similarly, when you hire employees, do you merely go for a good social fit (as many do, possibly legitimately), or are you trying to predict future performance based on past "GPAs"?"
In terms of GPA, no. I had a little experience with alumni interviewing and the process, and its awful hard. In college at least (I did not go to law school) the smartest incoming and best gpas incoming were usually not the highest GPAs. I found that even in the ivies, being ok smart (which I fiure most people are if they get in) is enough, the rest is how hard you work to get the A vs. the A-. I knew a HUGE amount of very smart folks who basically 80/20ed it. And they make up most of the successful post-school bunch. With a 3.6, you're probably still getting most opportunities. 3.8, you're probably getting anything you want as long as the non-gpa stuff follows. The folks who pushed for more, to get to the 3.95s and such (I don't think we had a 4.0) I usually found a little weird and unsocial. I didn't quite get what they were trying to do. Some were brilliant, but a lot were just pretty smart and way too anal.
In terms of hiring, its even less about GPA/performance. You want someone to hit the minimums, sure. You want someone that can understand the concepts of the job, sure. But I find that the hard workers, and more so the social folks, do better. Wall Street LOVED hiring the football players with ok gpas. One consulting firm had a running joke about going for the upper middle, and the social set.
The supersmart kids did well, but I just found that well rounded seems to do best.
Of course, I'm all talking within the context of a generally pretty smart bunch of folk.
Rhino, I don't approve of alpine's points, I just usually ignore them. They're all pretty stupid. I'm figure if folks care they should just look at his COLLEGE record, thats all. I wasn't really thinking about obama per se, just more the logic.
oh, and for the 99% of people here who think I'm a moron, I should point out that I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. So I guess you will have to take back everything you said about pepole with high GPAs being smart, unless you want to acknowledge that I am smart, which I doubt you want to.
Would Barack and Michelle Obama have been admitted to Harvard Law if their skin color was different?
And what the fuck gave you the impression that they were admitted based on their skin color? Hint: Being a minority doesn't automatically mean acceptance at Ivy League schools, you idiot. And I'm sure Barack ascended into presidency of the Harvard Law Review because he was black too.
And yes, generally speaking, going to the Ivy Leage does make you somewhat smart...at least smart compared tho the vast majority. Dumb people don't get stellar grades and high test scores.
"oh, and for the 99% of people here who think I'm a moron, I should point out that I graduated with a 4.0 GPA. So I guess you will have to take back everything you said about pepole with high GPAs being smart, unless you want to acknowledge that I am smart, which I doubt you want to."
Speaks for itself. Hahaha
Bud Fox: This is really a nice club, Mr. Gekko.
Gordon Gekko: Yeah, not bad for a City College boy. I bought my way in, now all these Ivy league schmucks are sucking my kneecaps. . . . Most of these Ivy League, MBA types aren't worth dog . . .
you graduated with a 4.0 from where? Queens Technical College?
Why is NYCMatt, our favorite Logcabin, worried about the Judge being a lesbian? Why does it need to be public record?
My question is ... why is it NOT public record? Unless he has something to hide ...
Matt, we do not refer to lesbians as "he". But which do you suppose she is -- the man or the woman -- in her relationships?
Problem is, his 4.0 was on a scale of 100.
What a brilliant thread.
Just confirmed that many of the frequent posters on this website are as stupid and ignorant in non-real estate matters as in real estate.
Since when did we care about the personal lives of the other heterosexual olds before Sotomayor? Maybe we should take note now since she's an alleged lesbian.
"And yes, generally speaking, going to the Ivy Leage does make you somewhat smart...at least smart compared tho the vast majority."
Really? Are these people smart?
For MBAs, a Year of Infamy
By Louis Lavelle
An unraveling economy is bound to generate more than its share of failures. But this one has generated an odd sort of culling of the herd. Instead of taking down the low-hanging fruit—executives with no business training and fewer financial smarts—the current economic crisis has claimed as casualties some highly trained business practitioners who ought to know better: MBAs.
By almost any measure, it has been a bad year for the MBA brand. The list of B-school alumni who have come under withering criticism includes those from the worlds of business, government, even academia. The reputations of few top B-schools were left unscathed as the titans of the financial world fell like dominoes: Lehman Brothers' Richard Fuld (NYU, 1973), Merrill Lynch's Stan O'Neal (Harvard, 1978), and Wachovia's Ken Thompson (Wake Forest, 1975) among them.
Ivies? NYU and Wake Forest? Really! Really... Really?
Just because you weren't good enough to be admitted into an Ivy League, doesn't give you the right to start bashing.
You weren't smart enough - deal with it.
NYU is a top 10 business school, so yes it is an Ivy on the GRADUATE level. Plus, if you scroll through the slideshow, there are plenty of Harvard grads...
I know, LOL @ Wake Forest and NYU.
Is that the best you've got?
You mean you think that Dick Fuld and Stan O'Neal are stupid? They may have failed. Big. But they didn't get the opportunity to fail big because they were idiots playing small time.
What about Bush, Rick Wagoner, Chris Cox, and Paulson (All Harvard Business graduates)? I think it's hard to argue that they were not stupid. Wagoner refused to build fuel efficient cars. Cox never stopped Madoff. Paulson crashed the financial sstem by letting Lehman fail and by giving his friends on Wall St. money with no strings attached. And Bush, I'm sure I don't need to get into him.
and Bush only got the opportunity to fail because of his last name and a bunch of elderly voters in Palm Beach County voted for Pat Buchanan instead of Al Gore. That' it. Not because he was a genius.
"so yes it is an Ivy on the GRADUATE level."
I wish I could say this was the dumbest thing alpine's ever said... but its not even close.
nyc10022, got to disagree, but it's just personal. i was a bit of a slacker, the hubby was phi beta kappa, summa cum laude (not my earlier example, btw, met him after college), i'm smarter but he's definitely nicer. i'm the underachiever, he's quite successful.
You are trying to say that NYU is an Ivy, when it just is not an Ivy? You can argue that its grad school is the same quality as an Ivy, but you can't say it is an Ivy. And you were trying to tell everyone how smart you are? That is like saying Jackie Robinson is a New York Met because he played in Brooklyn before the Dodgers left and the Mets were created.
That being said, having gone to school with and worked alongside plenty of Ivy and non-Ivy grads, the Ivy grads aren't categorically smarter than others. Most of them went to Ivies because they come from privileged backgrounds or devoted more work to their studies than most everyone else, or both. There are very smart Ivy grads, mediocre Ivy grads and below-average Ivy grads, like most places.
My husband always says if you want someone to write a legal treatise, hire a Yale Law School grad. If you want someone to handle a case, hire someone from Fordham. and he's got a couple of ivy degrees (although not for law school, i wouldn't pay for it).
Wow, Julia. Not a lesbian b/c she was married ??!!
I know we were way past that comment...but please.
Is there really any doubt that ON AVERAGE, people who are admitted to and succeed at top institutions are smarter than average? Is there really any doubt that the assumption Obama would not have been admitted to Harvard Law if he were white is ignorant and racist? Is there really any doubt that NYU is not an Ivy, or that Alpine is an Jersey idiot? What is this thread about? Oh yeah, its about what Sotomayor can get for her apartment...
columbus could have asked that question without linking to an incredibly inflammatory rag piece, but alas did not.
of course Alpine is challenged. and of course Obama's admission was amply warranted.
Don't care about her sexuality.
She's a whole lot better educated/more qualified than, let's say, Harriet Miers.
Mystified by the NH Fire Dept ruling - the Sups will most likely rule in their favor.
Keep the apt,don't sell it.
Compare selling the apartment and buying treasuries to keeping the apartment and renting it...Ouch the treasuries are a better return! All things come back to the overvalued Manhattan market!
"I don't like Sotomayor's ruling in the New Haven fire department case. That was totally racially motivated. "
Sorry, but the majority of the judges who ruled that way were white males, and this particular case sited precedent - from another circuit court where agian the majority of judges were white males.
I never said ALL Ivy Leage graduates were smart, I said IN GENERAL, they are smart...which is true.
By extension, how dumb must Wake Forest graduates be on average if Alpine shined.
....and sure, some get into Ivy League institutions like Yale from legacy programs i.e. Bush, but the vast majority don't. I don't care what any of you say, but when it comes to book smarts, Ivy League graduates are generally smart.
AND SHE GRADUATED AT THE TOP OF HER FUCKING CLASS, NONE THE LESS.
She is a wise Latina!!
I love the concept of 'book smart'. Its such a slight. Cut it any way you like, 20 years later check the income of top graduates and its higher. These are all averages mind you...of course there is variability. Legacies are a small slice...people watch too many movies.
Even if she is "book smart", its hard to argue that someone who grew up in the projects in the bronx and achieved what she has is not also "street smart."
And yes, while the valedictorian at a middling school might be smarter than many if not most kids at Brown or Cornell or Princeton, when it comes to "smart" as measured by any accredited University program, the average Ivy leaguer (or Stanford or Duke or Berkeley etc) kid will be smarter. On average.
Well, how much of that extra income is due to smarts and how much due to the fact that they went to an Ivy League school?
Even the affirmative action kids and legacy students(who average absurdly high SATs and ACTs at these schools, relative to schools not in the top 40 on US News...)
"Sorry, but the majority of the judges who ruled that way were white males, and this particular case sited precedent - from another circuit court where agian the majority of judges were white males."
Thanks Jason. I don't much about the case, but I don't know why people think you just make a judicial decision based on what's right in your mind rather than the law and precedent? Like its effing Judge Judy up there who just doesn't like somebody's sweater.
Many Ivy Leaguers have this misconception that they are smarter than grads of other schools because they went to an Ivy. Most (not all, but most) of the ones I know would never have gotten into an Ivy if they didn't come from well off families.
How did this turn to a discussion about the intelligence of Ivy Leaguers? But anyway, I know several who seem to have the level of intelligence of many who did not attend an Ivy, but just worked incredibly hard to get where they did (in at least a couple of cases that hard work seemed to be motivated by fear/anxiety/esteem issues about being/not being the "best" ). You need something to start with, but hard work, not innate intelligence, may be one thing that distinguishes Ivy from non-Ivy grads, no?
LICC you are stupid to the core. First, you have unscientific claims of 'most' who 'you know'. Next you make an unfounded statement that their well-off families got them in. You are such an incredible dope. Do you realize how few families actually have the money and the pull to actually matter to Harvard, Yale and Princeton?
I had to go find this -> "The Wall Street Journal recently put a statistical face on alumni clout in admissions. Children of graduates make up 10 to 15 percent of incoming classes at most Ivy League schools, according to the Journal. Harvard accepts 40 percent and Princeton accepts 35 percent of legacies but only 11 percent of all applicants."
At least part of the advantage in admissions has to be insight and performance. 10-15% is far from 'most'. LICC are you ever right?
"You need something to start with, but hard work, not innate intelligence, may be one thing that distinguishes Ivy from non-Ivy grads, no?"
Its a combination of both, and you'll never be able to figure out how much of each.
I agree, R86. Hard work alone will certainly not do.
Great discussion. Yeah, i wonder about the intellectual heft too.
All this story about her background doesn't for-tell her intellectual power.
When you consider the Law, Supreme Court is the top and they have to be the BEST!
I don't care about her love life. That's her biz.
LIC, that is actually exactly the opposite of my personal experience and my observations. yes, we had many well-off offspring, but most were extremely smart. we also had more than 50% of the class drawn from public school. the lesser intellects i met were generally from public school (and often athletes), but most of the (non-recreational) drug users were from private school (and some of the brightest i met, but most probably didn't go far). of the top ten feeder schools, both Stuyvesant and Bronx Science ranked high.
and just in case you missed it elsewhere, I am the first person in my family to graduate from HIGH school, went to a mediocre public school, with working class roots. and someone in an admission office decided to give me a chance.
The admission process is generally good. It is far fewer legacies than idiots, I mean many people, believe. You'll never be able to parse out privilege, ability and work ethic. I think when you get people like Obama or Sotomayor, you clearly have to credit them more for where they came from.
and when I went, at least, legacies had a LOWER acceptance rate than the general population (but that was some time ago, with far less demand).
none of anybody's business where I went to school.
It is our business that you're a racist idiot. Why don't you get lost in the Jersey woods?
Why don't you get lost in the Bronx?
You acknowledge that 99% of the people here think you are an idiot. You add nothing but bullshit and you don't live in Manhattan. Why are you here? Scram.
alpine, it is when you tout your GPA. and you are racist, which just isn't cricket. you said the new non-PC alpine was here and would say whatever the new non-PC alpine wishes to say. Fine, and we'll call you a racist asshole.
I live in Hells Kitchen you moron for the one millionth time. You people are so retarded it is not funny.
You are an ignorant dope from a sub par college. Why do I give a fuck where you are from enough to remember. You talk about your house in Jersey constantly.
you are so racist it is not funny.
I talk about my house in NJ no more frequently than columbia county talks about his shack upstate or steve talks about his place on Fire Island.
just curious, by a show of hands, how many people here live in pre-dominatly minority neighborhoods? How many people send their kids to pre-dominantly non-white schools?
Not so, I was aware of neither of those. The sad part about you is that you know at some level that you are not bright...and you keep comes back here to make little sense and take beatings...and make racist comments. I am sure there are better sites for your racist rants, as you add little to the real estate discourse. Speaking of ivies, if you were raised in Carnegie Hill, and could only find your way to a sub par college...yeesh.
Bet here....we are down to 70% of peak... We will be 50% of peak in a year. Down another roughly 30%.
Raise your double major with a double Ivy. Neither of the two is NYU.
but Felicity went to NYU...
still holding to my $500psf....
$500 for a coop is what, around 2002 price, 1/2 down from the top?
i only have one ivy, husband has two. he's a product of the West Virginia public school system, but got out for high school, top private school. Just by happenstance. That was close, he could have been an hvac repair person instead of an international arbitration and contract dispute attorney. and he would have SUCKED at hvac repair.
good to see you've reverted back to form, w67th. some of us were worried, possible overmedication, wife slipping something in the oj.
alpine threw down the gauntlet, so to speak, earlier.