Atelier - What is wrong with this building?

Link to the building: http://www.streeteasy.com/nyc/building/627-west-42nd-street-new_york

We should investigate the portfolio that the Moinian group owns and operates (name is misspelled on streeteasy). www.moiniangroup.com -- having worked or lived near many of their buildings, I think their portfolio must be in trouble ...

700k list prices don't mean anything. last week open house for a new development in a better part of town -- broker explicitly said i should take 20% off list prices on the show sheets.

even with 20% off the prices are ridiculous in this building compared to rents.....

how low do you think the prices will go? $200/sq foot? That is my guess, but feel free to chime in.

Sticky, where do you live, Elmhurst Queens? I cant say I really care who else knows about it- I like the location right across the street from the pier and the river in summer- Great people watching, best theater in the country and every train in creation 3 blocks away. Crosstown bus reliable and frequent and there's free shuttle to the trains in the morning. The first time I walked from Times Square to the building I thought it was a far walk until I caught the VIEWS and the ambiance and i was hooked. Go see for yourself at an open house- its jawdropping. The location has the most stunning views in the city at any price. The NE apartments have unobstructed city and river views all the way to the GW and the Empire State is unblocked to the east- even when the building in front of it goes up - if it ever does...

Amenities are off the charts, Tennis, Basketball, volleyball, barbecue, gym, pool, kids park, yada yada with the most stunning 360 private roof terrace I've seen west of the GE building. and the supermarket's on 10th and 42nd and what the hell do you mean far from restaurants/bars? 9th and 10th have fantastic bars and outdoor restaurants. I rarely have to go to the same place twice even when I have a favorite hangout. TINY rates Hells Kitchen (2 blocks away) as its 'ideal hood' with one of the best food neighborhoods in the city- http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/features/60551/new-yorks-best-food-neighborhood
I'm there for years to come so no sweat off my neck - I get to live here and you don't ;)
just get a clue and know what you're talking about first-hand when you write that stuff.

I've been over the a number of times and it does suck. And I'm from Elmhurst.

At least Elmhurst Queens has a commuter rail line running under it that one can access easily. Clinton has a few rail lines under it that do not stop and won't ever stop...

"every train in creation 3 blocks away"

What!!!?!??!!? I lived in that area for many years. And my memory does not fail me. Google maps says its a SIXTEEN MINUTE walk to the NRW123S, and 13 to the port authority and ACE. 18 to the FVBD. It is FOREVER when its snowing or humid and hot. The crosstown bus is slower than walking. It is NOT close at all to any subway station!

seems like a dusty area west of 8th. i'd get yourself checked for cancer occasionally

Please do...stay in Elmhurst cause I'm happy you aren't my neighbor- and it looks like Chuckufarley wants to be your neighbor so he can ride the train in to the city with you. You're bitter AND obnoxious and you live in Elmhurst, but I'm happy for you if they let you out of there every now and then to catch a Broadway show. Cause Elmhurs is famous for.... hmm... world class dining? NO! World class Theater? NO! World class views? NO! Ah yes, giant Gas Tanks, that's right! Mmmm take a deep breath and take crescent's advice for your yearly cancer screening.

Those who can read noted the building offers free shuttle service to the trains in the morning...most buildings in this area offer shuttles. Few offer that in river view east side buildings. MTA buses are regular and run between 3-6 minutes rush hours- I won't argue past that. off hours service is like most of the city getting worse every day with budget cuts. Most normal people like myself can walk half a mile to the 8th avenue line in under 10 minutes but Google that too- I might be off by 32 seconds and you'll want to be snarky about it.

building has stingy floorplans also: very small living rooms and baths. Also you'll never be able to rent your unit with those massive Silver Towers across the street. Heard they also wanted to build another condo building on the plot next to Atelier ensuring you'll never be able to see your unit either. Maybe the financial crisis nixed that. This is a terrible project.

Aside from the obvious disadvantages (lack of transportation, the traffic mess in the area, etc.), the area is too socioeconomically mixed for my taste. The service facilities for the economically disadvantaged, health-related organizations for the economically distressed, etc., along w/ the people whom they cater to aren't going away anytime soon. Good for them for having their own enclave, but I don't want to live in it.

On my viewing of apartments a couple of years ago, the workman were listening to the theme song from the movie "Titanic" which I thought was appropriate for a monstrous building being completed post-boom.

I think sticky's first comment is on target.

Also, another poster talked about unit size. Developer greed is really going to hurt the reputation of new units in the area for years, IMHO. I remember that a long-time broker told me a few years ago that beginning in about 2005, he and others were scratching their heads, because they'd see proposed apartment layouts in Hell's Kitchen new condos that were small. It used to be that the main reason to go that far west to a fringe location was to be rewarded with big rooms.

I don't care how spiffy it is, the combination of the long walk plus small rooms is a deal-killer. Sure, there are some people who are so influenced by aesthetics that they'll happily peer out of their tiny unit into a breathtaking view and be happy. But it's dumb to assume that that'll become the norm for apartment tastes.

And if people really want the view, they can just hold out for some of the buildings between 10th and 11th avenues that are relatively new, have bigger rooms, and the great view (although the number of those units dwindle as new towers get put up, blocking the old views).

So, the Atelier has very few cards it can play to lure someone from 10th avenue (less than 10 minute walk to Port Authority/ Times Sq subways) way out to nearly 12th ave (15-20 minute walk).

I just looked at a floorplan of a 2br 2bth said it was 1040 sf - no way. My jr 4 is substantially bigger and it's around 1050-1100 sf. It's also so out of the way. Nice amenities though

I hear you about size and what you consider deal killer and you have to 'feel' it or you will find reasons not to love something- its a personal decision based on look and feel and lots of intangibles that I obviously love being here for. I see your point about bigger rooms and I hate these cheap developers but honestly the impact of full floor to ceiling windows in the corner units is to enjoy every square inch. I took a tape measure to my apartment and its as accurate wall to wall as anyone can expect- practically to the inch in all the main rooms. I didn't measure hallways and don't care past that - I was very satisfied re: advertised size and measurements. Would I have wanted another 150 sq ft in this apartment? Absolutely but I've seen Trump rentals and my friend's brand new apt in the Avery near Trump and they seemed smaller because of the design- walls and kitchen pass through's instead of an open design- with psf prices that were higher than mine so I couldn't have afforded them either. Orion is nice layout wise but I'd never trade my location for 42nd between 8 and 9th...ugh. Other 8th ave apts might be larger but the psf prices were higher.

I know all about the arguments about locations in Manhattan...you can pick any block apart when you want to. If there's nothing to pick on you probably paid too much but whatever anyone is going to say about an apartment I won't even compare living on 10th avenue to living between 11th and 12th- I'd never want to live on an avenue just because it was a block closer to the train- you live next to Smilers or Dunkin donuts, I'll take Hudson River Park. When I use the Hudson River park by crossing the street and can see it from my living room I know why I like it better than 9th or 10th- no comparison.

I have tons of amenities for my condo charges so I'm staying put for the long haul. Rentals are someone else's headache.

"'Most normal people like myself can walk half a mile to the 8th avenue line in under 10 minutes but Google that too- I might be off by 32 seconds and you'll want to be snarky about it."

I am six feet and my roommate, who ran 880 track in college and is SIX FIVE, took fifteen minutes to get to 7th ave. And so he is a faster walker than a "normal" person.

Google maps is fairlly sopt on.

And shuttles are great...if you happen to be leaving EXACTLY when they are there. Miss it by 10 seconds, and wait another twenty.

And having taken cabs from WSH to times square many times, I can safely say that the shuttles often move slower than those walking, especially during rush hour. And not just slower then 6-5 in sick shape 25 year old ex track stars. Slower than old ladies.

And you said "near" all major subways. The fact that the building NEEDS a shuttle disproves your own point.

> Atelier - What is wrong with this building?

I think the biggest thing is that its in Manhattan, and this is 2009. The rest is small detail.

But this building could not sell out when it went for sale in 2005, and it was open for occupency well within the bubble. The location does hurt it. People don't want to live in the most expensive building in an area - real estate 101. Don't get the nicest house in the hood.

geniuses y'all! How much have you made on real estate in the last 25 years? If its not well into the millions keep your bear skins on and I'll see you when I retire standing on my corner saying I coulda bought here back when everyone said it was too high. Experience talks. Money walks... about 10-15 minutes to the subway... she also stays healthier that way and gets to see the ships come in over coffee every morning. What are you looking out your window and seeing?

Consider walking distance to W 72nd or W 96th Street express stations, or the more numerous local stations for the #1 line along the length of the Upper West Side. Not only can you get a river view within easy walling distance to transportation, but you will also enjoy Riverside Park and the commercial strip of Broadway.

"geniuses y'all! How much have you made on real estate in the last 25 years?"

Certainly more than those who bought in this building, and probably more than the developer will make from this building in total.

First of all, I've already clicked on several RE websites (including the building's own) and I have yet to see a photo of an actual apartment or floorplan.

Second, let's get real. Who the hell wants to live on 42nd Street?? Even worse, 42nd Street and TWELFTH Avenue!

*******"I like the location right across the street from the pier and the river in summer- Great people watching, best theater in the country and every train in creation 3 blocks away. Crosstown bus reliable and frequent and there's free shuttle to the trains in the morning. The first time I walked from Times Square to the building I thought it was a far walk until I caught the VIEWS and the ambiance and i was hooked."********

Obviously written by a real estate agent.

Newsflash: This isn't Miami. Summers around here don't linger for nine months. Half of the time, it's cold, grey, and even snowy here. It's a LONG ASS walk from "every train in creation" to this building that's practically situated in the Hudson River when those 20-degree winds are howling in (just across the street!) from that damned pier.

And that's another thing. "Three blocks" from "every train in creation"? No. Again -- this must have been written not just by a real estate agent, but an out-of-town one as well. It's three and a half AVENUES -- the equivalent of FOURTEEN blocks (not "three" blocks). And that's just to the A or C train -- not "every train in creation". You gotta walk much farther for THOSE.

And while that fourteen block walk back home from the subway (provided you're taking the A or the C -- God help you if need to take the Lexington line to work) may not necessarily be a problem on those lazy summer weekend afternoons after meeting friends for brunch -- it WILL become a daily hassle and will add a good 10-15 minutes to your daily commute. In the wind/snow/rain.

And yes, you WILL be walking that entire length EVERY DAY, because guess what? The building is literally in the middle of nowhere. 42nd Street is bad enough. 42nd Street 16 blocks from the nearest ANYTHING is even worse.

What he said. I lived between 10th/11th in HK. It is far from everything, and the cross town buses and shuttles are a JOKE. They move literally LITERALLY slower than my obese sister could walk (when I took her down to circle line cruise.) Literally, we beat several buses back to times square. And she is 5 1 and did I mention 75 pounds over weight? And she had just had ovarian cancer.

I don't even lie.

I'm so happy to hear you don't lie! You are such a sweet brother to talk about your sister like that. No hidden anger issues in your life ;) Jason, who's your math teacher? Better yet, who's your therapist? I'll send my condolences.

If you hate NY winters you won't live in NY... I've lived through two winters in that location happy to look out the window. Im getting tired of the block counting and nitpicking- I know my walk and my commute so get over yourselves and your negativity because you're trying to convince someone who lives there and loves it that they aren't supposed to like it and that's just ridiculous to the point of laughter. ;) There are differences of opinion and that's why this city has 8 million people not all living on one square block.
The big put down here is that anyyone who loves where they live sound suspiciously like a RE agent and that is so old... Im in education and have bought and sold RE for more than 25 years.

I walked by the Atelier on Sunday on my way to Pier 84 (5K there), and was reminded of why I couldn't live there -- the block between 10th and 11th on 42nd Street is sketchy. I work in the Times building, and when my paralegals have to go to the Fedex there for a late mailing I make them take cabs. It's deserted, dark, and doesn't feel safe. No way as a single woman would I walk that block every night on my way home.

Must be some prima donnas working at your law firm because the Fedex and a police precinct occupy that entire block.

I never said you aren't supposed to like it. I said you lied when you said it was close to every train station. I lived between 10th/11th for 4 years as did my various roommates, and have had many guests from out of town. We ALL know it takes a long time from btw 11/12th to the train. Frack I live in Harlem now, I am certainly not sh**ting on HK. I AM however calling BS on your claim that its easy-peezy to get to the train. Its takes me LESS time to get from Harlem to mid-town east where i work than it did for me to get the NRW station at 42nd, let alone all the way to work from 10/11th. Let alone 11th/12th.

As for New York winters, yeah, I hate them. And August. So do millions of other New Yorkers, but that is why they invented Miami in winter and anywhere but the City in Summer.

In other words I am at WORK now faster than I used to JUST get to the train station.

Yeah but you have to live in Harlem.

(where do you work, I used to work at one of the colleges up there. My ride door to door was under a half hour; loved that!
Anyway, I dont lie either and i don't have a sister and I know my walk and Im tired of repeating myself. If youre not a crazy wacko which I think more and more you must be for belaboring so much, (bring along your sister for my protection)... one day come why don't you visit my place and experience it yourself; Go ahead pull out your measuring tape, gaze out my windows and watch the cruise ships float in, catch the vista uptown north to the GW bridge,(or do you prefer east and the Empire State building?- no i won't lose that view), shoot some hoops (or is volleyball you like? Bocce? Tennis? take your pick, then go cool off with a swim, use the gym, have a sauna, then we'll watch the sunset from the roof (summer or winter there's an indoor sky lounge) have a beer and shoot some pool before I kick your ass out the door for your long 12 (or is it 15) minute walk to the A train back to Harlem- you'll still get home in under a half hour but bring your stopwatch. You wanna repay the favor for one of your most fun days since you moved to Harlem, take me to Dinosaur Barbecue and I'll do a comparison to Daisy Mae's. And I am a woman, I feel fine there anytime day or night but I do wish the Starbucks hadn't closed.

Do you live in East or West Harlem? Makes a diff if you work in Midtown East...that's a no brainer. a trip to west Harlem from the upper east side in the 60's (only on a good day) takes me the same amount of time as it does from 42nd.

Blah blah,you are STILL not right next to every train imaginable. And you really do sound like a brochure for the place. Its not my fault you bought at the peak.

lol, maybe its cause it feels that way yes so we agree the its like e brochure living there. Why don't you visit your buddy Sticky in Elmhurst because he's SO close to the commuter rail lines and while you're there check out his gas tanks if you want to entertain yourself. Look for me in ten years so we can talk about profits. I already said Im not a short term investor and I have bought in so called peake before that grew tenfold. my long terms picks have made a nice life for me. 'night loser.

15-25% price chops at the friendly neighbor. Oh, what's this, Curbed says the area is a no-man's land?

"rising in the no-man's-land of 42nd Street between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues..."

Imagine how bad it must be to be between 11th and WSH...

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/06/16/curbed_pricechopper_dropping_the_deuce_on_42nd_street.php#reader_comments

what a moronic 'comparison' you make- blah blah indeed- you're just taking up cyberspace with that gem. Living and having a view on the river and the city vs. that block where you stare into the local motel? There's not even a basis for your post. That cell block is centered between the police station and CVS. Mine is a luxury all glass building and that is a concrete dungeon with barely any windows. WTF are you making a comparison to? That's like saying, you live on 15 CPW and you paid 20 million for an apartment when your friendly neighbor is Lincoln Towers a block away? Get real a-hole its Manhattan and you can make comparisons all day of dungeons and castles right next to one another that make no sense and everybody's happy except you -bitter little man with nothing reasonable to add. Like I said come back here in 10 years and take a peek at the prices. Till then go play with your legos because you're a light weight know-nothing.

Why do people start new discussions on buildings without first checking to see if there are threads already?

I just saw the building today and was going to rent a 1 BR, but was unimpressed with the lack of upkeep in the common areas. The pool is "closed until further notice" and nobody seemed to know where the basketball / tennis court was.

frank, im sure they'll just have to shutter the front doors without your patronage.

Run, don't walk, away. If we didn't have a corporate lease, I wouldn't be living here. It is really far from the subway (15-20 mins walk), the shuttle bus leaves only six times in the mornings and is never on time (there's nothing in the evening) and the M42 randomly never comes. Renting/buying at this place is such a scam. You have the board president who is also the only real "approved" broker in the building doing bait and switches on apartments, and showing prospective buyers fake, overpriced listings of his friends to favorably compare to his real, still overpriced, listings. There's going to be huge fee increases soon for the owners, which follows years of scrimping on services and cleaning (gym is atrocious and moldy--we won't let our kids play in the playroom because of it). They advertise the maintanance has gone down, but you can see why. I'd avoid this place...

If you want to rent, it sounds like one of the very nearby new rental buildings would be better, yeah? If you want to rent a condo, they have them closer to the actual subway - several new buildings on/near 9th or 8th.

More alarming, perhaps, is that a CONDO building that was 100% sold quite a while ago has 72/475 units for rent, per SE.

Walker715, I was thinking of buying in this building but am on the fence. The location doesn't bother me that much, just the high prices. Do you know why there are so many units for sale? Also, I read somewhere that Atelier reduced common charges 2 years in a row due to the solar panels and renting storage units and other ways to bring in income. Do you still feel that cc's will be raised soon? Thanks.

The prices are incredibly high for the space. We have a good layout and view in our unit, but the building they are constructing for the next two years on 44th and 11th will be higher than the Atelier and obstruct the northwestern view. Although we don't own, I heard that the buildings reserves are low given the fact they have been making capital improvements but lowering the common charges (which seems like an advertising ploy) and they are spending a pretty penny to purchase the gym back from the developer or someone, and they may need to make an assessment. Jason10006 makes a good point, we have seen---between rentals and purchases---70-120 units up for sale/rental at any one time, which is crazy. Also, there's a lot of owners who run short term hotel stays out of their units, which is ridiculous that still goes on because you see the doormen giving out keys to folks with bags almost every day, that's another huge problem with the building. If you are interested in buying, definitely have a lawyer/accountant look at the meeting minutes/financials.

Its a nice bldg, I just think one could do better prices PSF for similar elswhere in HK.

It IS a nice building---Walker and Gorety i'd love to talk personally with you to hear what you are experiencing- especially if you hear things about doormen giving out keys- but do know there are more than 400 apartments here. We have a 3 month rental policy- if someone is abusing that and using it like a hotel we fight against that kind of thing- of course its not a hotel.. I'd like to know about it. We have security on the roof deck too. Why people don't know where the basketball court is laughable. They obviously don't play tennis or bball! Many of your comments are off the mark by enough to really throw the truth. I'm not questioning that you experience things, its the way you write that tells me you really don't know enough to be quoting about maintenance and resale valuse.

I can't speak about the 'broker' you are writing about- I don't use him nor would I use anyone I feel I can't trust. If you don't trust someone you shouldn't use them. Forgive me but I do not use the 'only real approved broker' because THERE IS NO SUCH THING or is a figment of that broker's imagination. Brokers can totally make up their reputation however they want- its their practice that tells you whether what they say is BS or not- If you are a broker, taking over streeteasy with your 'agenda' seems to be a piece of cake from what I can see. They don't care what or how many times a broker posts as long as they make money. All I have to say is buyer beware. HOW any one could purchase or rent from someone that advertises one thing and then shows them another- that is surprising!! I'd walk. Of course there are OTHER BROKERS who list in that building who can be trusted and should show the exact apartment in photographs first with NO bait and switch. Yes I have a high end 2 br corner apartment to rent and its fully furnished - most of all its REAL and there's no bait and switch but if you have to wade through 20 others, you are just doing your homework.

I'm sorry you or your company experienced something negative because they just took the first and most prominent name on a list -thats not the way I choose my brokers or my apartments. If I can't see an actual apartment in pictures I would RUN to someone else that lists in the building.

Prices are lower than comparable apartments across the street AND in MIMA - its an expensive neighborhood because it has a stunning city and riverview location with a major park across the street and that includes amenities- across the street in those giant towers you pay extra for them. Come check out my apartment's view- the construction you speak of that is 2 blocks away will not have any detrimental affect on that expansive 180 view. The building is only 29 stories and its a small fraction of the space at that height.

Yes the maintenance was lowered 2 years in a row- in the last 4 years my maintenance has gone DOWN twice- this year the maintenance is the same as last year which is to say in 5 years we have not had maintenance raised but lowered twice. I am paying less now than 5 years ago- how many condominiums in Manhattan can make that as a claim? There has been NO discussion this year of raising it for next year either. AS for the capital improvements they have been paid for with the reserves (and the solar panels are self paying in the end) --reserves which are among the healthiest in the city according to the building's independent accounting firm- the accountant in this firm that I personally spoke to said exactly that to me this summer: the reserves are among the healthiest he's seen anywhere. I also just got an excellent 7 year refi on an adjustable mortgage from a major bank- and closed last month. No mean feat these days. I would hazard a guess that the 70 apartments you are seeing online many are 'ghost' apartments or short term rentals where the listing stays up- I have no idea why the broker chooses never to take his listings offline. I don't agree with his practices but like I said...

THERE ARE OTHER BROKERS and you do not have to go the lazy route. The probable reason for the number of sales is that I am sure there was a lot of speculation 4 years ago. (remember the 'real' apartments sold in the past 6 months -year did sell at or above the sale prices from 2007 - In a time when many places in the country have had 10-20% lower sales prices over the last 3 years this is also a healthy sign.

The apartments themselves are quiet and I never hear anyone above or below me. The shuttle bus runs on a 20 minute schedule -I've ridden it for years. Because of morning traffic you can never expect it to run on a 'perfect' schedule. The times I've ridden it I could count on it to come within a few minutes. Many days I missed it because I was the late one! As for the city M42 bus you must be kidding me- that bus is one of the most consistent in the city- its a cross town bus and is as good as one could expect- according to the MTAs OWN figures, there is a bus every 5 minutes between 7 and 8 am- a total of 20 buses dispatched from the circle line Pier. Between 8 and 9 there are 18 buses... if some are taken offline that still amounts to a great schedule.

What you experience in the children's play space I will personally look into- that space as well as every other Atelier owned space is spotless- the rugs on each floor are fresh and have no signs of wear and tear. I own here - I see the public spaces and would be the first to complain and be heard should there be a problem. The gym is owned by the 'builder' and I can see that issues might occur because he is a builder and has no motivation to make his investment as pristine as the owners would like. That is one of the reasons the building has been negotiating to purchase it from him. Other solutions are currently in the works- up to and including the possible construction of a new pool in a different location.

I hope that some of these truthful remarks based in facts that are entirely provable by me can help to reduce the amount of anxiety you cause people by posting when you don't have complete facts. I still have no clue what axe this jason has to grind but he's got only a few facts form SE to base his information on and shouldn't be relying on numbers here in SE- much of what is posted here is 'phantom' or are postings that stay up. He does not own in the building, neither do the last few posters here. If you want to talk directly to me, do leave me your info and I'm happy to respond to you directly.

Just mad about the 49ers

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.390231954330067.96759.387220537964542&type=1&l=87fee5e221

What is going on here? http://therealdeal.com/blog/2012/04/16/atelier-ditches-cooper-square-opts-to-self-manage/

sloperaly did a nice job above.

As for the story - yikes!!

Does anyone here know what the condo's standards are for the McQuay heating/ac units in the rooms? Do you get yours serviced/cleaned every year by the building, or do owners have to contact McQuay directly and pay for it? Just curious whether the condo maintenance fees include this work since it's sort of a common property, but is technically inside the units. Love to hear your experiences?

Thanks Ali, we caught you here: http://streeteasy.com/nyc/talk/discussion/35004-wharton-prof-foreign-billionaires-should-by-ny-re

Any body can explain why Atalier does not have a solution for the two years close pool, sauna, and a poor maintenance as cover the chairs at the roof when rains, clean the carpet in all floors, and control the rentals?

Predictions for 2014

http://therealdeal.com/issues_articles/lowering-expectations-for-2014/

Which geographic areas do you expect to struggle most in NYC in the coming year?
Anywhere that is too pioneering, where they are demanding prices that are too high for the neighborhood. It will be interesting to see what Hudson Yards does, but I am very bullish on West Chelsea and Tribeca and the fringe areas around those neighborhoods. The neighborhoods that could be disappointing would be Hell’s Kitchen and pockets of the Far East side.

sloperaly - how can we contact you?

I'm a broker and I live in the building. I've enjoyed living here for 4 years now. I've represented a few of my great neighbors on occasion here at the Atelier and they love working with me. As of August 1, 2015 I have an amazing unfurnished 1 bedroom available for a 1 year lease. All photos are of the actual view from the apartment, the inside of the apartment (I do have 2 virtually staged images - just to help you visual an otherwise empty space) and the currently open amenities (pool is closed). Here is a link to my NO FEE listing here on StreetEasy. Call, text or email me any questions.

http://streeteasy.com/building/atelier-condominium/24b

This is the building in Weehawken, right?

So what's the real deal? Are the owners or Moinian playing around here?
http://therealdeal.com/2016/03/08/moinian-hit-with-100m-lawsuit-over-atelier-amenity-access/

is the 1bedroom still available for rent?
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