Most overrated NYC condos

this post is ridiculous on several levels. first, I suspect you've never been to any of these places. second, as has been well discussed, you have no idea what a poor location is. And finally, you say horribly overrated as if all of these buildings are hot topics of discussion. Loft 14 is a great example. Its a 9 apt building, it may well be nice, but its completely anonymous. Not to mention that its not selling. Who exactly is it overrated by?

Please note that a Streeteasy blacklist of Rufus has been enacted.

Rufus is to be ignored at every step.

Blacklisted on any new thread he starts, even under the alternate usernames that he will soon get around to creating, and on anything he posts on a real thread. But I reserve the right to reply to him on one of his many existing posts, because he needs to be social-worked over. Lest he go postal.

Agreed, I know a few of these buildings and they are at least in par with other buildings in the respective neighborhoods relative to pricing.

you can say everything you want about gramercy by starck - not your style, too expensive on a PSF basis - but to say the location is bad is ridiculous

No, it's really that any thread started by rufus is ridiculous. Don't get baited by a head case from Hammond.

sorry kspeak. east 23rd and second avenue is not a good location. you're close to crappy stuy town/peter cooper village. it's not a very attractive area. but i guess people's standards get low when they've been in NYC for a while.

kinda new here to this thread, but it would seem to me that the question is purely subjective, though probably grounded somewhat in the perceived reality of anyone who cares to chime in. This is,afterall, a blog where anonymous reactions are what keep folks coming back or tuning out. I've been to 128 new condo buildings in 3 boroughs over the past 12 months(I'm a consultant, not a serial customer) and I love seeing the kinds of opinions expressed here. So for the record, I believe the most over-rated condos in New York are: Forte', Jasper, East Hill Condominiums, 517 W. 46th Street, Toren, Bell-Tel Lofts, Oro, and be@Schermerhorn. If there was a jail for bad judgement and poor design, and poor workmanship, it would fill-up pretty quick with these developers. But that's just my opinion. What's yours?

ubbatubba and all others:

rufus (OP) is a head case who lives in Hammond, Indiana (but pretends to have ever visited NY), and baits people into conversations that all turn into "Chicago is better than NYC" or "liberals are bad". Objective or subjective, nothing he has to say is of any merit.

Please don't return any of his volleys, except on the "Even New Yorkers agree..." thread, where you can treat him like a Bozo Bop Bag: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2336811

great points, ubbatubba. i agree that the brooklyn condos in particular are horribly overpriced, given the poor locations. Jasper is also a lousy building, in part because it's next to a homeless shelter.

what are your favorite new condos, among the ones you've been to?

the Edge in Williamsburg, Chelsea Stratus, and Livingston - who wants to live in a prison?

you know I'm inclined to not engage in the back and forth time wasting elements of blogs like name calling or the like. While I wish more real estate sponsored blogs had paid referrees to monitor and censor the really stupid stuff, how I conduct myself can be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

Rufus, that is actually a tougher one to answer than the first question; especially with a market that will certainly falter if not decline during the next 18 months. So the question is what is the most under-rated condos in New York? I liked the following for a variety of reasons: One Brooklyn Bridge(but only if I could live knowing it will take 10 years to finish the Park), The Visionaire (The Albanese are the only really serious LEED residential developers), 111 Central Park North(not for its location, but it is exceptionally well constructed), and On Prospect Park (again, I'm pretty unimpressed by the immediate neighborhood to the north, but this is a visually stunning building when you approach it).

I would echo ubba's sentiments on both East Hill and 111 CPN. East Hill stinks of a quick attempted money grab while 111 CPN is very well done. I fear that the 111 CPN area will be difficult to live in over the next 5 years unfortunately.

reflecting on my last comment, I realized I noted some pretty big projects as my most under-rated projects, but my truly favorite projects are the smaller projects(20-80 units) around the city. In some cases, like Alchemy Properties, you seem to get a reasonable product for fairly reasonable prices(or what use to seem like reasonable prices!). There are definitely developers who you should stay away from (Boymelgreen comes to mind, but there are many others).

troll

111 CPN is in harlem, so i agree that the area is a rough place to live in, especially with the recession and likely increase in crime.

nyc10022 do you ever make a comment of value?

Not sure about the rest but, when I saw Gramercy Stark my 1st question was, is that even Gramercy????

Then I take points off for being on 23rd st.... The Beauty of "Gramercy Park" is that it's a little quiet oasis where you make a turn off Park ave, 3rd ave and away from 23rd st and BAM you feel like you're in a different city.....

Personally I HATE that location and wouldn't even look at those.

The Powerhouse, EC3 and 5SL in LIC. Sorry LICComments, I couldn't resist. With EC3 being the clear winner. $1.8 for a 2Bed/2bath is just insanity. Even at 50% reduction you will still never recover. Good luck.

rufus, while most others have dismissed you as a troll, I'd like to engage you in a civil conversation. Could you please tell us why you think 99 John is overrated?

I am a potential buyer who has been looking, and I can see how anything in Queens and Brooklyn (w/ the exception of One Hanson), 75 Wall, Jasper, 80 John, or even 88 Greenwich may be overrated, but I honestly feel that 99 John is, if anything, underrated--especially considering the price psf. Maybe I am missing something?

By "overrated," you certainly cannot possibly mean to say that 99 John is "over priced," because its pricing/CCs cannot be questioned based on what I have seen...

first, i'm not a big fan of the location. second, i don't like converted buildings because no matter how much money they put into it, the feel is never quite "residential." this is also one major reason why i prefer chicago's real estate; almost all their condos are new construction while NYC has too much warehous and office conversions for my tastes. finally, my friend lives there, and he said it's extremely noisy. people are constantly throwing parties late at night, without any respect for their neighbors. he has filed several complaints, but the landlords have done nothing about it.

...thanks for your quick reply.

Sadly, I, too, must conclude that you have never actually visited the building in person, based on what you describe. If 99 John doesn't feel residential to you, I don't think you ever will anywhere in NYC. So, it's not a matter of a bldg being overrated--it's just that you prefer a country house over a city highrise--maybe?

Or maybe he's a mental defective?

nyc212, i guess we have drastically different tastes then. don't get me wrong; there are a number of NYC buildings that i would love to live in. 15 CPW, time warner, 995 fifth, 40 Bond, come to mind. Of course, those are out of my price range. And since NYC real estate is so overpriced given what you actually get, I'm looking at Chicago since you get more bang for your buck. It's unfortunate that the NYC elitists on this board can't appreciate that.

> this is also one major reason why i prefer chicago's real estate; almost all their condos are new
> construction

If that doesn't seal the deal on why this conversation is meaningless.

New ugly glass is "residential" and apparently better than classic detail
And dockers as long as you don't have a baseball cap on is "upscale"

Coming from a guy like that, I'd take any negative comments as a compliment.

Isn't Chicago Real Estate still in... Chicago?

Talk about a bad neighborhood - I'd rather not even visit there again.

Enjoy though!!

absolutely. lets not forget that the first rule of real estate is...

location, location, location

any RE's existence in Chicago (vs. a London or NYC or Paris) puts it far enough behind that if Da Vinci himself designed it, its still going to have trouble competing...

nyc10022, is that why the penthouse in chicago spire is going for $40 million? is that why Chicago boasts the best highrise condos among any city in the United States?

Let me get the logic straight... Chicago has the best condos because, uh, Chicago has the best condos? Wow, you have REALLY cracked the case.

And, btw, $40 million for the best apartment in Chicago still puts it WELL behind a whole lot of 2nd tier NYC condos. And thats if they can sell the thing in the first place.

That Chicago's best condo *hopes* to be 40th on the list of most expensive condos, now, wow, THERE is evidence of the quality of Chicago.

BTW, I think Richie Sambora bought a condo more expensive PSF than that in Philly...
Perhaps that is the board you should try to express your confidence on..

nyc10022, get your facts straight. there are very few condos in NYC that are at the 40 million price range. to say that $40 million is behind second tier NYC condos is downright absurd.

most people agree that Chicago's architecture is superior to NYC and that its condo explosion in the last several years is the most impressive in the country. But since you've never been to lakeshore east, magnificent mile, gold coast, or streeterville, there's no point in trying to convince you of this.

> there are very few condos in NYC that are at the 40 million price range

You're telling me there aren't many apartments in NYC over $40 million?

So, not only do you not live here, you don't actually read the Times or any of those newspaper-type things?

> most people agree that Chicago's architecture is superior to NYC

Most people in Indiana?

> and that its condo explosion in the last several years is the most
> impressive in the country.

So, building more is your goal? Well, then Dubai and a bunch of cities just kicked your ass. And they're all cheaper than NYC.

> But since you've never been to lakeshore east, magnificent mile, gold coast, or streeterville,
> there's no point in trying to convince you of this.

Back to the lies again? Of course I have. I actually worked in Chicago for a few months. The reason I don't share your opinions is because I've actually been to OTHER cities as well.

I'm sure Chicago looks amazing when all you know is Indiana.

Here's where rufie tells you that he's been to all cities, and that Hvar's nightlife simply doesn't compare with Streeterville's.

no; i admit that hvar and st. tropez have much better nightlife and women than Chicago. my favorite club in the world is les caves du roy. but having gone to the "exclusive" NYC clubs and lounges, I'm just not that impressed with the scene.

Ugh, Rufus is so dumb and annoying.

The Spire Chicago probably didn't sell for the $40 million asking price and if it did, it's still cheap by NYC standards.

Chicago spire penthouse (10,000 sq ft), the most famous building in the United States only sold for $4,000 per square foot? Um, there are units in the Plaza Hotel which have sold for $12,000 per square feet and there is a 7,000 sq ft condo a CONVERSION (no world class design, no Chicago Spire amenities) building for god's sake, with a penthouse addition which sold for around $40 million a few weeks ago in Tribeca.

Chicago will always be the poor version of NYC. Why don't you know that? Why are you arguing against facts?

LOL, even all those old condo conversions in DUMBO Brooklyn sell for more than units at the TRUMP Chicago. That alone says a lot.

The Chicago Spire's announced sale of the PH to a Beanie Baby is clearly a publicity stunt. They have the foundation poured, and have announced the preposterous next step in marketing the building: an international road show!!! They're going to fly around to real cities, and pitch a nonexistent building like it's a timeshare in Tijuana! And then people are going to plunk down their tens of millions of dollars!

It won't be built, but there will be a foundation for people to talk about.

> LOL, even all those old condo conversions in DUMBO Brooklyn sell for more than units at the TRUMP
> Chicago. That alone says a lot.

Good point... Brooklyn is more expensive than Chicago.

Hell, isn't Trump Jersey City about at the level of Trump Chicago?

thanks for the laugh guys! the assertion that a mediocre condo in DUMBO is more expensive than trump chicago is one of the funniest things i've ever heard. LOL!

http://www.bestchicagocondos.com/pre-construction-condos/trump-tower.html

this sure doesn't look like DUMBO pricing to me.

Correct, they are less. The majority of these are under $1k per square foot.

The jcondos I believe started at $1200 psf and went much higher...

Anything else you'd like us to laugh at, rufus?

Here we go, here at the stats

Jcondos (new condos) - 7 active sales listings: $953 per ft² (avg)
1 Main (conversion) - 8 active sales listings: $1,023 per ft² (avg). And I believe the top just sold for over $2k psf
70 Washington (conversion) - 9 active sales listings: $973 per ft² (avg)

That certainly looks like Trump Chicago pricing to me... they start for less than these averages...

rufus,

The one and two bedrooms in the Trump sells for roughly $1,050 per square foot. The average price is $1,000,000. Sales are slow at Trump Chicago.

In Q2 2008 DUMBO the median sales price is $1,300,000 price per square feet s $1,2000 and those lofts sell very fast whenever they're on the market.

New York is obviously a much more desirable place to live than Chicago. I would much rather live in DUMBO than the Midwest/Chicago.

$1,200*

DUMBO is more desirable than Chicago.

LOL.

And why is that Trump building so cheap anyway? Trump Chicago is in one of the primest locations in the midwest/Chicago. There are condos in Harlem that sell for much more than Trump Chicago.

It's shockingly cheap for such an amenity filled building. This goes back to my original statement that Chicago is not a very desirable place to live, hence their extreme population drop.

Trump Chicago attracts an elite clientele from all across the world. Who lives in DUMBO? artists, hipsters, and other weirdos. LOL!

Then please explain to me why DUMBO is more expensive than Trump?

The rufus dictionary...

"elite clientele" = people in Dockers without baseball caps

For those who actually care about facts, the Post did a DUMBO fluff piece this week, but had some details. A LOT of families (big apartments), some finance, some marketing folks. The artists haven't been able to afford DUMBO for a few years. Perhaps they're now looking for places in Trump Chicago now.

There is NO building in DUMBO where the penthouse sells for over $9 million, which is the case for Trump Chicago.

And I almost fell out of my chair laughing at "Chicago attracts an elite clientele from across the world"

Um, the only people Chicago attracts are people from the Midwestern Universities. Everyone else flees, hence he extreme population drop.

I was just reading an article about what cities attract the most foreign clientele, it was New York, London, Paris, Tokyo,....then somewhere in the middle were South Florida/Miami, Los Angeles, ....... and Chicago wasn't even in the top 40.

I need to find that article and post it up.

Rufus couldn't set us up any better to knock him down if he TRIED.

There are no 10,0000 square foot apartments, so that is a stupid comparison. But, in case you want to, 3200 square foot penthouse at 1 main was on the market for $10.5.

So, "only" THREE TIMES the value of Trump Chicago.

But at least rufus knows he can't compete with Manhattan anymore. But its still pretty embarassing to be schooled by the OUTER BOROUGHS...

BTW, for those who care, 15 CPW.... 21 active sales listings: $5,884 per ft² (avg)
We're talking 5-6x Chicago's "best".

Chicago is getting worse by the minute.

FYI, nothing in the Trump has sold for over $9 million. The sales are very very slow at Trump Chicago and the 9,000,000 unit is about 7,000 square foot.

There are hardly any 7,000 square foot penthouses in DUMBO. Even with that 9,000,000 listing, DUMBO is still more expensive than the best of Chicago (Trump) and that should put you in your place.

But you know where there has been over 9,000,000 sales in...... HARLEM.

HARLEM is more desirable than Chicago! LOL.

Let me rephrase that, Harlem is even more desirable than the top crop (i.e. Trump) Chicago buildings!

Even Long Island City is more expensive than Chicago. LOL!!

you know folks, you might want to get back on the subject of this thread instead of railing against one individual's perspective. While I may not agree with all of Rufus's points, I've spent a fair amount of time there and have seen that city go through its own real estate boom like the 5 boros. If you haven't actually stepped foot into one of the new condos there (my favorites are not Rufus', but rather the warehouse district's renovations) or spent some time walking around the amazing quiltwork of neighborhoods, then it might be best to just move on...it's not my favorite city in America(that would be right here), but if I had to live in any other city in the States, it would be right up there.

For God's sake even BK neighborhoods like Brooklyn Heights, Boerum Hill, Park Slope, Caroll Gardens, Fort Greene are more high-end and expensive than the Gold Coast of Chicago.

Brooklyn is more desirable and high-end than Chicago's best! LOL!

ubbatubba, all of this IS the subject of this thread, because it was started by Rufus for the sole purpose of this sort of infantile regression. Treat him with the respect he deserves, which is on par with that of a Bozo Bop Bag.

I'm sorry but I won't stop fact-checking and down talking Chicago until Rufus takes his Chicago love fest onto a Chicago forum.

well, allanhart, i've sort of learned over time that if you don't engage that which you find really regressive it tends to go away; if you read the early part of this thread the discussion was actually focused on the question. it's pretty likely the tit for tat gets anything close to an intelligent interchange accomplished. Buy that's just my opinion. What's yours?

ubbatubba, my opinion is that there's no valid purpose for a "what's the WORST condo" thread, and little purpose even for a "BEST condo" thread. For better and worse, nobody's shy about expressing an opinion on each particular building's discussion thread.

You were tipped off early in this thread about rufus and where threads started by him always go, because his intention is to lead them there. And now you know.

Better to keep him off the threads that have intelligent discussion (such as it is). But don't tell him I said so.

> you haven't actually stepped foot into one of the new condos there (my favorites are not Rufus', but
> rather the warehouse district's renovations)

I actually did this week. The big sign said "from the 200s"....

gee, I'm sorry alanhart, but i can't agree with you there. you see the entire point of threads is to express opinions, whether you agree or disagree. it seems to me a tad arrogant to say "keep him of the threads that have intelligent discussion" when no one is asking for anyone's IQ scores to engage in these kinds of discussions to begin with. Its the nature of the beast as it were. I was going to use the analogy of ignoring the bully in the playground, but now I'm not so sure who the bully is.

I don't agree. If this were a question of "expressing opinions", that is one thing. That is fair and good.

But we're talking about someone who is interested only in infantile insults, not anyone else's opinion.

> but now I'm not so sure who the bully is.

Hmmm.. lets see... probably the guy who started 10 threads to make an off topic claim.

Rufus, just so you'd know, the highest price paid for a condo in Chicago was $8.27 million before this alleged Chicago Spire sale.

Brooklyn has seen higher sales prices than that.

As I read the beginning of this thread, back some 65 comments ago, which you might want to refer to, started with 3 posters, including allanhart's demeaning comments of rufus, not the other way around.

michaelkyleh, you can't find the so-called "article" because it doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is, people in Chicago live in better apartments than people in NYC. the difference is quite glaring.

also, the plaza hotel condos are having a lot of trouble. bunch of people are putting their units on the market because they realized that it's an overhyped building in a lousy tourist-infested location. and these units are not selling, just one example of NYC's decline.

I thought Chicago was great because it's a tourist destination? But now, NYC is bad becasue it's a tourist destination? And tourists coming to NYC means it's declining?

Hahaha!

Chicago = worse than outer boroughs!!!! Hahahaha!!!!

Maybe you should try to look into St. Louis or Milwaukee. They might be more your speed.

What a joke.....

ubbatubba, agree with you here - I don't mind having a little fun, and rufus isn't really defendable at all, but this Chicago-bashing thing has gotten a bit out of hand. I laughed at nyc10022's comments here, considering he wrote this elsewhere: "Perfitz, we get that he's just trolling. But, now it looks like you are doing the same... The conversation is stupid." Lovely.

rufus, you really should hit the books.

Just because you've heard of two people re-listing their apartment buildings at The Plaza doesn't mean the Plaza is having a lot of trouble. The Plaza is a very successful building and a world-renowned address for the national and international elite. There is no other building in the world as expensive as the Plaza and 15 CPW, and that's a fact.

Oh, and Trump United Nations and the other Trump NYC buildings will be more successful than Trump Chicago will ever be. Nobody is buying in that building.

Just pointing out again that the most expensive condo ever sold in Chicago is $8.27 million. Even Harlem has topped that. LMAO!

Prada_Addict, if you read curbed, you would know that way more than two people have re-listed their plaza condos. And even at a discount, people are not biting. It's an old hotel that is way past its prime, and the area has way too many tourists.

I laughed so hard when you said that the trump NYC buildings are better than trump chicago. LOL! the trump world tower is an ugly black monolith. And the trump buildings on riverside drive, such as 120 and heritage, are a joke. Nobody wants to live there.

I agree... all Trump building sucks. but at least the NYC ones aren't in Chicago...

> The fact of the matter is, people in Chicago live in better apartments than people in NYC.

They can't be better.. because they are *in Chicago*... ;-)

ubbatubba
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"As I read the beginning of this thread, back some 65 comments ago, which you might want to refer to, started with 3 posters, including allanhart's demeaning comments of rufus, not the other way around. "

Well, thats because you've only seen this thread, not the 10 others rufus started simply to start off topic insults...

You have it backward because you didn't look at the history, rufus started this a long time back.

sorry nyc10022. very few wealthy and prestigious people want to live in NYC now, especially with this financial meltdown taking jobs away from the city. The center of world wealth and power no longer revolves around NYC. I know that's painful for you to accept, but learn to deal with it.

nyc10022 (aka EddieWilson) vs. rufus ...

I'll pass

urnfna, rufie can't reply to your comment right now because he's in a VIP room in Gstaad.

> sorry nyc10022. very few wealthy and prestigious people want to live in NYC now

Rufus, when you have met one wealthy or prestigious person, please let us know. Clearly you haven't because you've only been to Chicago.

Until then, please don't tell us what the wealthy and prestigious want to do. Because they're clearly here now, and they haven't left yet. Furthermore, if they do choose to leave, they'll be going to Europe.

I'm not sure what you know about any of this, because you think Chicago people in sweatpants are classy.

> The center of world wealth and power no longer revolves around NYC.

It does right now.

Now, it could change, certainly. To London or Dubai. Or a place we don't know yet.

But it will certainly never be Chicago, if you are inferring. The cows left that place a LONG time ago...

> I know that's painful for you to accept, but learn to deal with it.

Interesting hypocrisy. Chicago is a 3rd tier city. Has been for years. Its like Hoboken. Its cheaper than Brooklyn.

I think its time that YOU learned to deal with it.

Cubs: so sad, too bad

rufus, Trump Buildings in NYC are better because people actually BUY the Trump NYC apartments. The Trump Chicago is having a hard time selling, the ones in NYC are quite successful. Even Bill Gates amongst other royalty and celebrities has a massive condo in the Trump United Nations buildings.

And that brings me to another question...why don't ANY elites and celebrities live in Chicago? I can't even think of ONE who does. LOL!!!!! Why do they all live in NYC or LA? Half of Hollywood lives in New York, the worlds royalty and elites buy in New York when they seek out United States addresses but I can't name ONE who lives in Chicago. And you say the "very few wealthy people want to live in New York"? LMAO I don't know weather I should bust out laughing or feel sorry for you. Even all the famous people who are from Chicago have fleed which is very on point with the extreme population slide in Chicago. That in itself speaks volumes and should shut up any future arguments from you.

Nobody wants to live in Trump Riverside? LMAO. Trump Riverside has been sold out a longg time ago while Trump Chicago still struggles to sell.

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you're dead wrong however that NYC runs circles around Chicago in "just about everything else." The next year will be amazing for Chicago: Cubs are the favorite to win the world series, Chew on that before you say something stupid.

Hmm...say something stupid you say? Like the Cubs are the WS favorites? LA sweeps, Cubs go home: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=281004119

from Yahoo news:

"As interesting as the nation as a whole is trending," Sperling said, "we want to see which places had the greatest percentage of single men and women." Sperling's firm broke down the data by metro area, revealing interesting patterns on where singles live. San Francisco seems to attract single people like a good pickup line, if there is such a thing. Compared to every other metro area in the U.S., the San Francisco region, which includes areas south like San Mateo and Redwood City, has the highest percentage of single people. Detroit, with 43% singles, is second only to San Francisco. New York, and Boston round out the top four.

So rufus is right - New York is NOT the best place to cruise the bars for hot women. He should be in either Detroit or San Francisco.

Prada_Addict, only a loser like you would post on streeteasy at 2 AM.

i was out last night, but as usual, the nightlife scene and quality of women was horrendously low. I have friends who live in the trump buildings, and compared to the Trump International Chicago, they're really low-quality. But since you have never stepped into a luxury condo, I don't expect you to know this.

Who goes out on a Saturday night? Visitors from the Garden State? Can you say "pedestrian"?

LMAO!!!!

Saturday night? Only POOR people go clubbing on Saturday nights.

Rufus you know nothing about the high-life and you absolutely belong in Chicago with the rest of the plebes!

And I can't believe you keep insisting you live in New York.

You are delusional and should really seek help.

Prada_Addict, only poor people go out on Saturday nights? Yeah, i'm sure rich people just stay home on saturday nights, writing posts on streeteasy forum. LOL!

Despite your moniker, you know nothing about travelling, upscale nightlife, or luxury real estate. You insist that NYC has better hotels, restaurants, clubs, and condos than Chicago, even though I pointed out plenty of examples to the contrary.

rufus: failed to

LMFAOOOO

Rufus, it was fun while it lasted but it is just getting too easy.

I am done with you.

Prada_Addict, so you are a loser who stays home on saturday night but insists that he knows a lot about luxury real estate and upscale nightlife. LOL!

> Prada_Addict, only poor people go out on Saturday nights? Yeah, i'm sure rich people just stay home
> on saturday nights, writing posts on streeteasy forum. LOL!

Actually, he's right. Saturdays are called "amateur night" by young celebs, debutantes, and other rich folk. Given how much you talk about the rich and upscale, I figured you'd know that.

But, I guess we aren't talking about the folks in dockers...

Seriously, rufus, there is no one here who takes you seriously. We all get that you just don't get it. But it isn't even fun anymore.

As noted, you make it waaaay too easy...

nyc10022, you're a moron. Yes, there's a lot of tourists and B&T folks who come into the city on saturday nights, but that doesn't mean that new yorkers stay home either. Of course, you and Prada_Addict prefer posting on streeteasy on a saturday night. I can't take you seriously because I've mentioned specific chicago places, like peninsula hotel, restaurants like alinea, tru, blackbird, and upscale clubs like underground, stone lotus, y-bar. And the only thing you can say is resort to ad hominem attacks. My guess is neither you nor Prada_Addict have ever left NYC or the northeast region. It's really sad; you guys should get out and travel more often and you'll realize that NYC is overrated.

Rufus, coming from a complete schmuck like you, any insult is a compliment. Everyone here knows you're a 12 year old in his parents' basement in Indiana.

You insult others for never going anywhere, you're talking about a city you've never been to. And I was in fing Chicago last week, and it still sucks. The saddest part is how you just don't know otherwise...

Keep living in the basement with your dad's hand me down playboys. Maybe some day you'll get out of your 50 mile radius.

How about we all put in a few bucks to get this kid out of his midwest ghetto?

Like the rufus fresh air fund?

I'm a little concerned about getting him out of Hammond, Indiana, if it means sending him to Chicago. The place is a regular Beirut. I don't have the time to post links to all of this weekend's gory crimes separately, but you'll see that, in addition to the usual high volume, there are some truly disturbing ones this time.

Here's the link from the Chicago Sun-Times. As you can see, they have a dedicated section called "Chicago 24/7 Crime", which pretty much says it all.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/index.html

Sunday, October 5, 2008

17-year-old slain the night before homecoming

Homecoming dance cancelled due to bomb threat

Man in clown costume sought for approaching kids

Saturday, October 4, 2008

Injured man wonders: Got milk?

Man fatally shot on Far West Side

Person fatally shot in Humboldt Park

can't... post... just... uh... ow... got...

shot.

alanhart, all those crime happen on the far south and far west side, which is Chicago's version of Bronx and Brooklyn. the nice parts of Chicago, like gold coast, river north, lakeshore east, streeterville, lincoln park, are better than prime NYC areas.

rufus, as already established, crimes of that sort rarely happen in "Bronx" (you simpering imbecile) and Brooklyn.

nyc10022, I noticed you were making ad homoman attacks on rufus. He's very sensitive about that, so you ought not to.

rufus, getting back to the topic of condos and the like, I recall your saying that you like really tall skyscrapers, and not residential towers that are on the smaller side. Why is that?

I like Chicago but it's a bit bland. And there is NOWHERE you can drive to that's interesting if you want go away - maybe a Notre Dame football game or a trip to the Miller factory .. yawn ... if I'm going to live in a lesser city I at least want good weather. Next!

alanhart, bronx except riverdale is still very dangerous. and most of brooklyn, including fort greene, bed-stuy, are dangerous as well.

i do like luxury highrise condos because of the views and amenities. And in that category, NYC simply can't compete with Chicago. If you don't believe me, go visit Chicago yourself, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

you're right - i fear for my life when I go to yankee stadium or get italian food on arthur avenue.

So, rufus, when they erect a really big condo tower you get visions in your head, or "views" as you call them.
Do your thoughts often trend toward big tall newly-erected condo towers in Lakeview, with "amenities", as it were?
Are you concerned that the era of new condo towers in Chicago has climaxed?
And how does that make you feel?