Most Beautiful Streets in Brooklyn?

kkfred, it really depends on what you mean by easy commute to midtown. Two blocks that are rarely mentioned but really quite beautiful are Milton and Noble Streets in Greenpoint (between Franklin and Manhattan). They are landmarked and less than 5 mins walking to the G, which is two stops from connecting to E/V/7. There are other nice blocks in Greenpoint, but these really stand out in my mind.

In Williamsburg, you've got few truly beautiful blocks end-to-end, as there's so much construction and an industrial past to contend with, but there are some great blocks. North 7th between Kent and Berry (incl Wythe) is really nice, as is Berry between North 7 and North 10th. I know there's a townhouse for sale there, but haven't seen the interior.

Otherwise, for a relatively fast commute to midtown, it's really down to Brooklyn Heights, where there's plenty of beautiful brownstone blocks, and proximity to many train lines. I would tour that area myself, as there are too many blocks to mention, but the prices are significantly higher than in the other areas I mentioned.

Once you get into Cobble Hill, Fort Greene, and other nice Brooklyn areas, you're probably talking close to an hour commute to midtown.

O please ride the G train a few times, especially nights and weekends, before you decide for Greenpoint! Compare the ride on L to/from Billyburg.

BJW2103 - Thank you so much for all of that great information! I feel like I can now start my search!

First thing - get off streeteasy.com and go www.brownstoner.com. It's all bstones, all the time, and it's Brooklyn-centric.

The price range is huge. And private schools are even thinner on the ground than in Manhattan, so you might want to worry a little about what your house is zoned for.

Some of my favorite streets are - almost any of the "name" streets in Park Slope (President, Berkeley, Garfield, etc.). Most of PS is picturesque. Boerum Hill is nice because it's convenient to downtown Bk, transportation, and has restaurants, shops nearby. Ditto Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens.

FG is really "hip" and has 2 of the most beautiful blocks in all of NYC (S. Portland & Washington by the park).

Don't forget Crown Heights, Bed-Stuy, Prospect Hts - much cheaper and some gorgeous houses (and deep - 130' lots in PH).

And the Victorians in Ditmas Park are to die for.

From a transportation perspective, FG and Boerum Hill/downtown Bk are the best.

Ditto the Heights.

IMHO Cobble Hill has the prettiest streets in Brooklyn by far, even better than BH. If you're near Atlantic (where the cute little park is), you've got a host of trains available at Borough Hall.

Boerum Hill and Fort Green also have a ton of super pretty blocks (Pacific, or the State named streets) and you are in manhattan in 10-15 minutes.

Park slope is another big brownstone neighborhood, but not nearly as nice...

Cobble Hill also beats out the rest of brooklyn for top restaurants and likely shopping as well.

Fluter, the G is by no means great, but I think most people bag on based solely on hearsay. I've waited 10-12 minutes for a train on a weeknight or two, but otherwise never really had a problem with it. It's also definitely up to kkfred to test these things out before making a purchase though - I'm just offering up good streets that fit his description, in my opinion.

nyc10023, those are all worthwhile neighborhoods, I just think they're too far out to make for a relatively easy commute to midtown. But I would agree with the Brownstoner recommendation - great site.

I am that rara avis - I've taken the G train about a half-dozen times even though I live in neither Bk nor Qns. And some of the G stations are not places where I want to be waiting 10 minutes from a personal perspective viewpoint. IMO, if you live in FG, be close to the 2/3 trains. Ditto Bococa area - try to live close to F.

I have lived all over Brooklyn, and I found Greenpoint and Fort Greene to be equally convenient to midtown Manhattan - 30-35 minutes. Fort Greene is more beautiful. A couple years ago, Time Out (or was it New York) magazine picked South Portland St. (between Lafayette and DeKalb) in Fort Greene as the "best block" in the entire city.

Williamsburg is my personal favorite neighborhood, and is extremely convenient, although it has very few "beautiful" streets.

I agree that Cobble Hill probably has the most "beautiful" streets.

Park Slope has it's die-hard fans, but it's a noticeably longer commute.

Get on www.brownstoner.com and learn more than you would ever want to know about Brooklyn real estate.

"nyc10023, those are all worthwhile neighborhoods, I just think they're too far out to make for a relatively easy commute to midtown"

FG and Boerum Hill/downtown Bk... really?

Even been there?

About 10 times as many trains as the neighborhoods you noted.

Actually, rereading your post, I'm flabbergasted. You note FG, BH, CH, and others as hard commutes, and then note an area with the G TRAIN as your only option.

Wow, agenda much?

Not worth arguing with.

KKFred: you are looking at the right time. Google around or look on Brownstoner.com for upcoming House tours of various Bk neighborhoods. Neighborhoods that organize house tours (you get to look around 10+ houses and get a real feel for the nabe): Bk Hts, Fort Greene, Park Slope, Ditmas Park. Nabes that I think have tours (not 100% sure): Crown Hts, Prospect Hts, Bed-stuy.

Another nabe to consider is Sunset Park.

"South Portland St. (between Lafayette and DeKalb) in Fort Greene as the "best block" in the entire city."

Thats one of the state names I was talking about. Also note that portland is 2 blocks over from Flatbush/Atlantic. Anyone thinking that isn't easy transportation simply has never been to Brooklyn.

nyc10022, take your garbage elsewhere please, pretty sick of your incessantly picking fights over nothing. The OP asked for easy commutes to midtown, capisci? Being right by the Greenpoint Ave stop is a very easy commute to midtown for Brooklyn. Obviously downtown makes for an pretty easy commute to midtown, but most of those immediate areas are pretty terrible. I would add if you're on DeKalb or one of those lovely blocks off it, close to Fort Greene Park, and are close enough to the Nevins or DeKalb stops, your commute is pretty good as well.

Take your agenda elsewhere. A guy asked for pretty streets and a good commute, and you noted your own neighborhood...including generally accepted ugly streets AND a HORRIBLE commute.

G train, really?

Take your agenda elsewhere... noone is going to buy your condo now.

Seriously... the guy asks for a pretty townhouse in the borough known for its brownstones, and the bjw comes up with GREENPOINT.

WOW, agenda.

nyc10022, I don't actually live in Greenpoint - amazing that you're paranoid enough to think my post was agenda-laden. Again, he was asking about commutes to midtown. Greenpoint is the closest Brooklyn neighborhood. Please troll elsewhere.

Correction... Greenpoint and Williamsburg...

then you came up with a lie about the ACTUAL nicest parts of Brooklyn.

WOW... agenda, agenda, agenda.

You can call me a troll all you want, hypocrite, but your agenda is so clear that Stevie Wonder is laughing.

Also, can't be anything but a troll suggesting that anything on the G train is an easy manhattan commute.

Thats agenda, denial city, or both (or someone who doesn't actually live in New York).

Troll along, tourist...

BTW, bjw, didn't your tour bus take you to one of those stores where you could buy a subway map on a t-shirt?

Highly recommended.

I lived in Bklyn Hts for 10 years and commuted to midtown, and it was great because every train line stops somewhere in BH before going into Mnahattan. it's relatively small neighborhood, so i'd suggest taking a walkaround one weekend afternoon to give you a better sense. My own choices for best TH blocks would be, in order, Garden Place, Monroe Place, Willow, Columbia. Also any of the parts of the streets that are close to the promenade (Orange, Cranberry, Remsen.

How full of crap are you? People should definitely see for themselves what the commute is like - I've actually done it a handful of times to get to meetings in midtown to avoid the 4/5/6 insanity, and it's fine. It's literally one more stop than what people in LIC do, and their midtown commute is about as easy as it gets. Your reaction is completely over-the-top and ridiculous. And what was the "lie"? It is to laugh.

nyc10022 your nappy need changing

> It's literally one more stop than what people in LIC do

On another train... the worst one in existence. Its not the taking the train, its the waiting for it.

I'm still laughing so hard that you suggested the G train as an easy commute and complaining about the neighborhood NEXT TO FLATBUSH/ATLANTIC.

Tourist, at least you are funny. But don't kid yourself, you are a troll with an agenda.

> How full of crap are you?

And, oh, can't forget... self referential statement of the day...

> People should definitely see for themselves what the commute is like

Where was that advice when you were lying before?

I'd expect nothing less from the hypocrite hall monitor tourist.

Hey, if anyone takes any advice on streeteasy without doing the due diligence themselves, well, how daft are you? Instead of the name calling, how bout some useful posts. You've once again ruined a good thread for the op. Solid.

"Where was that advice when you were lying before?"

Also, see my second post. Lies are all yours, as usual.

"Hey, if anyone takes any advice on streeteasy without doing the due diligence themselves, well, how daft are you? Instead of the name calling, how bout some useful posts. You've once again ruined a good thread for the op. Solid."

Hey, moron, you are the one who brought it up after you were proven stupid (again). Then to play it off on others.

God, you are pathetic.

> "Where was that advice when you were lying before?"
> Also, see my second post. Lies are all yours, as usual.

I guess its not a lie if you are actually just stupid enough to get it wrong.

Either way, G train as a great commute....

Jesus, I can't believe you're still ringig THAT bell.

Moron.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, assuming its just your agenda speaking. But, hey, if your defense is that you are ACTUALLY that stupid.... hey, I won't argue.

Hope you wake up on the right side of the bed tomorrow, though I'm not holding my breath. I really hope you're under 25 and you'll grow out of this bs.

kkfred - I suggest you head to Brooklyn today, or tomorrow. It's insanely beautiful right now, as the cherry trees are still in blossom, and in the last two days they've been joined by the dogwoods and the red buds. And the crab apples, and the ornamental pears... The magnolias have gone to green, but you can enjoy them next Spring from the comfort of your own home.

My husband has commuted to midtown from a bunch of different neighborhoods, and there are pros and cons to most commutes. Some of it depends on your preferences, as well as the actual midtown location. If you work on the east side, that commute from Greenpoint is not so bad, for instance. We lived on Clay Street (not pretty, but...) and my husband walked across the Pulaski Bridge to the 7 train; two stops to work is a breeze, and the exercise is nice, but it can get chilly/hot/rainy. You can imagine. Check out Kent Street (not Kent Ave) if you want a pretty block. Total commute from Clay Street: 40min, including the walk.

Prospect Heights close to Flatbush/Grand Army Plaza is a pretty easy commute, and a bit cheaper than Park Slope. Many blocks just as beautiful as any in Park Slope. We lived at Prospect Place and Flatbush. Total commute: 35-40 minutes.

Williamsburg has a lot going for it, but it ain't leafy green brownstones. Commute from Bedford L complicated by longish waits as full trains pass. Have to transfer at Union Square. Commute from North 1st and Kent Ave (including walk): 40 minutes.

Cobble Hill. Eff the F, in my opinion. That thing will suck the life out of you. Instead, walk/bike to Brooklyn Heights. Commute from Columbia & Degraw, including bike ride to High Street: 30 minutes. On the F? 45 minutes at least.

Brooklyn Heights? Sooooo beautiful, but you pay for it. 25 minutes on the A. Slightly more on the 2/3. On the F? Why bother?

You might want to look at Prospect Lefferts Gardens or Prospect Park South. Both have surprisingly fast commutes, and some gorgeous homes. Slower pace, generally - not as many restaurants/bars/etc. But Prospect Park is right there.

These are all to the West side. East Side commutes should follow the 4 train, obvs.

I could go on. Why, I already have!

Tina
(Brooklyn broker)

"Hope you wake up on the right side of the bed tomorrow, though I'm not holding my breath. I really hope you're under 25 and you'll grow out of this bs"

LOL.

The hypocrite with the agenda trying to note *other* people's problems.

Sorry your "investment" went bad. But lying won't change it.

Tourist troll...

nyc10022 - take it easy. Last year I was in contract for a condo in Greenpoint (I didn't close but that's a different story.) It was one block from the G. I was a little afraid of the G, but when I tested the commute it turned out to be literally 30 minutes door-to-door to my office on 42nd St. I took the G to the 7. I am told that people also just walk over the bridge and take the 7 directly (avoiding the G altogether).

The main point is that bjw2103 is 100% correct that it's a surprisingly easy commute. And, despite the fact that many streets are filled with awful vinyl siding buildings, there are a few that are really nice, tree-lined, peaceful, and convenient. I have no idea why you feel the need to trash the neighborhood and jump down someone's throat. Espeically since you are wrong on the facts.

"Hope you wake up on the right side of the bed tomorrow, though I'm not holding my breath. I really hope you're under 25 and you'll grow out of this bs."

And when exactly were you going to grow out of yours?

Tina - you are right about the F - if anyone is looking for an easy commute to Manhattan (midtown at least), avoid the F. Yes, that means I would choose the G over the F train! sorry to inform you nyc10022.

tina24hour, thanks for the great summary, and pjc thanks for confirming. People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things, and it would be a shame just to have a curmudgeon dispensing poor information all the time.

"it would be a shame just to have a curmudgeon dispensing poor information all the time."

Glad to see you are finally admitting your mistakes...

G train, still ROTFL about that one...

> Yes, that means I would choose the G over the F train! sorry to inform you nyc10022.

Sorry to inform you that you are mistaken in your "correction".... I specifically didn't note the F, I noted parts near Atlantic for Cobble Hill, and then mentioned other neighborhoods that didn't focus on the F. I don't like the F either.

> it turned out to be literally 30 minutes door-to-door to my office on 42nd St

If you live right on stops, thats great. A train is 14 minutes to 42 from A high, and 16 to Borough Hall. Similar numbers on 2/3, if you want to play that game. I actually had to take the B this morning, and Atlantic/Flatbush to 34 was about 15 minutes for me.

Yes, not everyone lives on the express stops, but not everyone works on E 42 either.

G train, still laughing.

"I have no idea why you feel the need to trash the neighborhood and jump down someone's throat"

Also, another correction, I didn't trash the neighborhood. I said nothing negative about Greenpoint the neighborhood.

But try again.

I pointed out that someone lied about the facts... and gave the OP bad, bad information. He stressed the neighborhood he lives in and the one adjacent to the point of being inaccurate about answering the question.

"People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things"

And you lived in Fort Green when?

I'm not in this one.

nyc10022 - OK I will indulge you in your desire to argue with someone / anyone.

You say you "didn't trash" Greenpoint. Then, how do you explain this comment: "generally accepted ugly streets AND a HORRIBLE commute." This was only 2 hours ago. What's more important is that your statement is not correct. Yes, there are many ugly streets (some nice ones, too). But the key point is that the commute is actually not HORRIBLE. Most areas along the F train are a bit worse. As Brooklyn goes, Greenpoint is on the more-desirable side of the spectrum for commuting. (Compare Bed-Stuy, Park Slope, Kensington, Bay Ridge!)

I have lived in Windsor Terrace, Fort Greene, Williamsburg (at 3 different stops on the L) and nearly invested in Greenpoint. So I know what I am talking about.

"including generally accepted ugly streets AND a HORRIBLE commute"

I glossed over these incredibly wrong statements. There are ugly, huh? And others have acknowledged the ease of commuting from Greenpoint to midtown. You are clearly the one with poor information.

http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GPT/gpt.htm

"And you lived in Fort Green when?"

I know the neighborhood quite well and bid on several great co-ops on Lafayette. If you're going to play this game, at least spell the neighborhood correctly (it is amusing though). You're just wrong on this, as you were when you called McCarren "dangerous." I don't think you know the area well at all. pjc is dead on.

"But the key point is that the commute is actually not HORRIBLE"

Take a quick survey to come up with the horrible trains.... G in a landslide.

> the key point is that the commute is actually not HORRIBLE.

As I said, I don't like the F. But, if you want to battle that one out... it goes to Manhattan. Can't say as much for the G. And, if swapping is what you want, plenty of trains to swap to from the F.

bjw, the hypocrite, you throw out this "grow up" stuff and then you continue to be your usual 12 year old hypocrite self.

> I know the neighborhood quite well

WHOOPS, backslide. "People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things"

And you were 100% wrong on the commute as well. Every time you say you know something well, turns out you know crap. Again, 2 blocks from the biggest subway hub in Brooklyn?

You never cease to amuse me!

Dumb, and then will fight you on how dumb you are.

Troll on, tourist.

> at least spell the neighborhood correctly

Yes, we get that you learned about Fort Greene and Tontonnos on the Internet... where you can check your spelling.

The view from Boston must be pretty good.

"As Brooklyn goes, Greenpoint is on the more-desirable side of the spectrum for commuting. (Compare Bed-Stuy, Park Slope, Kensington, Bay Ridge!)"

I'll disagree on PS, but give you the others... in any regard, a awesomely fradulent leap to go from there to positive comparisons to BH and FG. Telling someone specifically looking for a pretty townhouse to avoid looking at those places, to play up Greenpoint and WB?

Sorry, but thats agenda through and through... bjw is trying like mad to sell his condo apparently.

> There are ugly, huh?

Some of the nicest individual buildings are in Bed Stuy. That alone does not make for "beautiful streets"... (not to mention that a large part would be an even worse commute).

Your agenda is really stretching thin at this point.

You're complaining that GP isn't getting enough props, but you're the guy who DISMISSED FG. Now you're complaining about the facts?

I guess you can't see any of thise in your tourist guide, so understandable.

Taking the G train from GP to midtown has its challenges. When commuters get off the G train at Metropolitan you have to walk upstairs, walk down stairs and walk up stairs again to transfer too the L train if the platform is crowded thats another story and the L train has many challenges in itself.

If I lived in GP I would take the B61 to Bedford Ave and transfer to the L train. The B43 would be an option also but you would have to transer at Graham Ave for the L train. For many years the G line has been rated one of the worse lines in the system. When individuals commute on a regular basis its a routine so the "ease of commuting" can be an exaggeration as they have established a routine.

I think they're talking about G to LIC first and swap, not to WB. Not tremendously better in my book, but at least thats just 2 trains to midtown.

Personally, I've always been of the mindset that 1 train commutes are almost always better if you're within the 50 minute door to door range... because especially as you go off peak, your changes of waiting are significantly greater. Plus the sweat factor.

Ok got you. The G to LIC first and swap has the same challenges as the G to WB first and swap the commute from GP a challenge. In 3 months or more, this discussion is destined to change as the MTA is planning service cuts LOL.

A beautiful block in WB is N6TH between Driggs & Bedford but that block is 100% occupied LOL.

nyc10022, spin and spin, but you're completely full of it, really. I actually said that if you're in Fort Greene and close to the Nevins or DeKalb stops, that's a pretty decent commute.

"WHOOPS, backslide. "People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things""

Please, I said neighborhoods, plural. I live in Williamsburg, and spend a lot of time in Greenpoint since it's so close. And I know Ft Greene well - so which is it, then? I can't give advice about a neighborhood I live in because I'm supposedly trying to sell something or I can't give advice about a neighborhood because I don't actually live in it? And don't you (supposedly) live on the UES? Get a grip.

"Telling someone specifically looking for a pretty townhouse to avoid looking at those places, to play up Greenpoint and WB?"

Wow, total paranoia. I noted those areas because of their proximity to midtown (undeniable facts), and also noted Brooklyn Heights and parts of Fort Greene. I didn't tell anyone to avoid any part of Brooklyn at all, just noted that Ditmas Park and other areas might be a bit far if you're looking for a quick commute to midtown. And you blew it up into all of this - ridiculous.

bjw2103,

Who is spin and spin?

brooklyn heights, north Park Slope by the B/Q & 2/3 or Prospect Heights in the same vicinity.

Fort Greene from fulton on the south south elliott on the east, Waverly to the west and Dekalb to the North.

Cobble Hill & Carroll Gardens from Atlantic on the North, Hoyt on the East, Hicks on the West and 1st Place to the South.

Williamsburg is by no means beautiful, the built environment was not designed with the aesthetics of area in mind, at least not the typical Brooklyn one - brownstones and Tree-Lined Blocks.

I've lived in all the above areas, including Williamsburg. Check out my block on google streetwise to see if we have the same taste (input 104 Lincoln Place, brooklyn, 11217)

Feel free to contact me for any other info, I'm an urban planner by trade and also a broker, but I'd be more than happy to offer any advice.

maxnyny,

Parts of WB was and still is an industrial neighoborhood, building new luxury sky rise buildings around abandoned industrial buildings an eyesore said Ray Charles.

kkfred,

what is your conclusion?

Hey, bj & nyc, why don't you two get a room & leave the rest of us to an interesting discussion?!! OY!

Thanks drdrd.

mutombo, I forgot about North 6th - you're right, that's a really nice block as well. Bedford along North 8th and 9th is nice too, but probably too noisy/busy for most. Williamsburg can be so different from block to block, which is a bit jarring to some. Others mentioned Prospect Heights as well - I think that's pretty quick to midtown on the 2/3 or Q, and there are some great streets there as well (St Marks, Dean, Bergen, etc).

Oh, and for the record, I actually took the G this morning. Waited about 45 seconds.

bjw2103,

The luck of timing LOL it was rush hour so thats the difference.

Well, I'm not about to declare it a great line by any means, but if it comes frequently at rush hour, I don't think that should just be written off!

kkfred, any progress?

The block I used to live on -- North 8th betwixt Berry & Wythe -- is the only one on the Northside of Williamsburgh that isn't so ugly you'll want to gouge your eyes out.

That excludes, however, the brick houses that the owners had all the pediments, etc., chiseled off so that vinyl siding could more easily be installed [reason given: it costs to much to keep painting it. Brick!!!]

But I also like that long row of little dollhouses on North 9th -- I think between the same avenues.

"nyc10022, spin and spin, but you're completely full of it, really. I actually said that if you're in Fort Greene and close to the Nevins or DeKalb stops, that's a pretty decent commute."

Yes, AFTER you got called on your baloney about it being a bad commute, and the evidence proved you wrong.

Spin, spin, spin, its all you... trying to pitch your own neighborhood!

> "WHOOPS, backslide. "People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things""

> > Please, I said neighborhoods, plural. I live in Williamsburg,
> > and spend a lot of time in Greenpoint since it's so close.
> And I know Ft Greene well - so which is it, then?

Oh my lord, super backslide!!!

You have to live in a neighborhood to know it, except if we're, uh, you! You can comment on anything you want because you're a tourist from Boston, but others who actually live here can't???

Got it... hypocrisy meter extra high today!

"Wow, total paranoia. I noted those areas because of their proximity to midtown (undeniable facts), and also noted Brooklyn Heights and parts of Fort Greene. I didn't tell anyone to avoid any part of Brooklyn at all, just noted that Ditmas Park and other areas might be a bit far if you're looking for a quick commute to midtown. And you blew it up into all of this - ridiculous."

Now you're just LYING! You said the opposite, and only backslided once you got proven wrong!

"Once you get into Cobble Hill, Fort Greene, and other nice Brooklyn areas, you're probably talking close to an hour commute to midtown."

Now you're saying Ditmas Park?!?1

OH MY LORD you were so wrong, and now you're trying to pretend you didn't say it!

Sorry, its up there for everyone to see!

> Oh, and for the record, I actually took the G this morning. Waited about 45 seconds.

Of course, if you weren't a tourist you would have noticed that you weren't in Manhattan when you got off....

"brooklyn heights, north Park Slope by the B/Q & 2/3 or Prospect Heights in the same vicinity.

Fort Greene from fulton on the south south elliott on the east, Waverly to the west and Dekalb to the North.

Cobble Hill & Carroll Gardens from Atlantic on the North, Hoyt on the East, Hicks on the West and 1st Place to the South.

Williamsburg is by no means beautiful, the built environment was not designed with the aesthetics of area in mind, at least not the typical Brooklyn one - brownstones and Tree-Lined Blocks.

I've lived in all the above areas, including Williamsburg. Check out my block on google streetwise to see if we have the same taste (input 104 Lincoln Place, brooklyn, 11217)

Feel free to contact me for any other info, I'm an urban planner by trade and also a broker, but I'd be more than happy to offer any advice."

Well put, Max...

Amazing how others will spin so much that utter nonsense comes out.

You're pretty delusional brother. I don't have the energy for your nonsense on this one. Take it easy.

Lived in Brooklyn Heights for 10 years. There's really no more beautiful neighborhood in Brooklyn. Ditto the commute to Manhattan.

> You're pretty delusional brother. I don't have the energy for your nonsense on this one. Take it
> easy.

Yes, got it, you lied, you backslid, you spun, you made stuff up, and you've done so for hundreds and hundreds of hours. And, now, proven 100% wrong, you "don't have time".

ROTFL

I wouldn't expect any less of you.

"Lived in Brooklyn Heights for 10 years. There's really no more beautiful neighborhood in Brooklyn. Ditto the commute to Manhattan. "

I'm 95% in agreement, although I'll add cobble hill to that first part... but its really just the little sister. More historic blocks... and while the best BH stands up to the best BH, BH also has a lot of "other" areas, including the fruit streets - nice but not as nice - and then the awful high rises and St. George area.

Not on commute though.. BH all the way there.

nyc10022, a timeout would do you some good. Incessantly getting all riled up over this stuff can't be healthy.

Matt, agreed. I'd even say Brooklyn Heights is nicer than many Manhattan neighborhoods.

"nyc10022, a timeout would do you some good. Incessantly getting all riled up over this stuff can't be healthy."

So much for your lie about not enough energy... here you are, still going on and on... even after you were caught lying.

And then you try and tell other folks about unhealthy habits.

Did your shrink tell you that if you post on boards often enough, you won't be so mad about your real estate "investment"?

Well it is tiring responding to your imagining that you caught "lies" over and over. You have such unbridled passion for it that I figured it's best to let you keep fanning that flame. Be well brother.

I guess you'll always have energy to sping!

Spin, spin, spin!

(and, of course, you've now added lying to your arsenal).

Why was this thread revived? LOL.

BJW clearly needs to spin (even after he says he doesn't have the energy to spin, he goes on and on...)

Doesn't want anyone to notice he lied.

lol

Actually, it's amusing that you keep posting despite getting so much wrong. Even tina and pjc noted these things, but you keep plugging away, earmuffs and all.

> Actually, it's amusing that you keep posting despite getting so much wrong.

Oh my lord, the hypocrite is in top form! All this after just saying he was done! Then mor elies.

And, OH MY LORD, what's with you and the lying. In pjc's first post, he calls BS on your Greenpoint over Fort Green (he says the opposite), and then notes Cobble Hill is beautiful and Williamsburg is not! And Tina calls BS on WB as well!

OH MY LORD, you claim you're done, and then you just KEEP LYING.

ROTFL.

Spin, spin, spin, tourist... all while being in complete denial!

Keep going and going and going... and then complain that everybody ELSE is still going...

Spin away, tourist!

Yep, guess I can't help myself when you are so ludicrously wrong and just plain lying. And typing in all caps is about as shrill and hysterical as it gets. Chill out, por favor.

pjc wrote:
"The main point is that bjw2103 is 100% correct that it's a surprisingly easy commute. And, despite the fact that many streets are filled with awful vinyl siding buildings, there are a few that are really nice, tree-lined, peaceful, and convenient. I have no idea why you feel the need to trash the neighborhood and jump down someone's throat. Espeically since you are wrong on the facts."

tina wrote:
"that commute from Greenpoint is not so bad, for instance. We lived on Clay Street (not pretty, but...) and my husband walked across the Pulaski Bridge to the 7 train; two stops to work is a breeze"

Whoops.

FYI!

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/05/04/williamsburg_development_updateorama_some_are_selling.php

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2009/05/signs_of_life_f.php

bjw - "once you get into Cobble Hill, Fort Greene, and other nice Brooklyn areas, you're probably talking close to an hour commute to midtown.

pjc - "I have lived all over Brooklyn, and I found Greenpoint and Fort Greene to be equally convenient to midtown Manhattan - 30-35 minutes. Fort Greene is more beautiful."
"Williamsburg... has very few "beautiful" streets. "
"I agree that Cobble Hill probably has the most "beautiful" streets."

Whoops.

"Hour commute to midtown"

NOBODY agreed with you on that.

Lie, lie, like, bjw. Spin it however you want.

And can't forget the hypocrisy!

"People who actually live in the neighborhoods know these things"

- guy talking about the neighborhoods he never lived in!

Oh my lord, bjw, you are delirious!

TOO FUNNY!

Yes, you can't help yourself, we get it.

You need to spin....

Keep spinning, beeeeatch!

And you even quoted it yourself! "despite the fact that many streets are filled with awful vinyl siding buildings"

Oh my lord, you hypocrite tourist you.

You LIED and then LIED again to cover it up. You got the answer wrong, and continue to spin to cover it up.

nyc10022,

You are feeling good LOL @ beeeeatch, I did not know you had that in you. Did you hang out with Blacks in HS?

Nobody hung out with me in high school.

Just amazing to me that bjw would try and spin his way out of this when his lies are all up there in black and white.

At least we're having some fun at his expense.

nyc10022,

You are too much "Nobody hung out with me in high school." thats why I like you.

nyc, none of those things are lies! pjc said there were beautiful streets in Greenpoint, and the specific blocks I pointed out are exactly that! Ditto Williamsburg. As for commutes, my point was very clear: the further you get out, the longer the commute. Unless you're very close to the major lines in Fort Greene, it does take close to an hour to midtown. Same in Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens. Yet you argue and shriek ad nauseum! Ridiculous. And I was talking about a neighborhood I do live in, an immediately adjoining neighborhood I spend a lot of time in, and another I go to a lot (and researched to death as I nearly bought there). So I have a pretty good idea. To boot, pjc lived in all of them and told you were dead wrong on the facts. What don't you get? You were just plain wrong, as you were about McCarren, despite your clamoring otherwise. Well, at least you've got rufus agreeing with you - solid work!

Lie, lie, like and spin, spin, spin all you want.

You told a guy who wanted pretty steets and a decent commute about neighborhoods that had WORSE streets and WORSE commutes, then tried to lie about the better neighborhoods. You got called out by MULTIPLE people and then even lied about what you said!

They you tried to slam others for not living in a neighborhood, while continuing to lie about neighborhoods you never lived in!

Then you complained about others spending too much time, and here you are, STILL spinning and STILL lying.

You were wrong. Plain wrong. You flat out lied about the original topic. You named the wrong neighborhoods and lied about it.

"Ridiculous"

Yes, you are!

"and another I go to a lot "

Oh my god, what a backpedalling loser you are!

> What don't you get? You were just plain wrong,

Yes, the guy who suggested the G train as a better commute to midtown than the 2345B!

It is amazing that you'll argue more when you most wrong!

You were so wrong, its painfully funny!

And now you're playing the "well, if you don't live near the subway".

Oh my lord dude, how big a hole do you want to dig yourself?!?!

Face it, you were wrong.

And your attempts to cover it up with lies are just pathetic... but still funny!

Thanks!

"You told a guy who wanted pretty steets and a decent commute about neighborhoods that had WORSE streets and WORSE commutes, then tried to lie about the better neighborhoods"

No. Even when people say I was "100% right" you continue to spin this bs. Again, I didn't lie about anything and repeatedly told people to verify everything for themselves. It's nuts to pursue your line of thought on this. Get over it.

"They you tried to slam others for not living in a neighborhood, while continuing to lie about neighborhoods you never lived in!"

Again, no. I didn't slam anyone, just pointed out your hypocrisy - you didn't like that I was talking about my own neighborhood (and several others) because that makes me biased, but then don't like that I was talking about other neighborhoods because I don't live in them. Well, you live in none of the above, and people who live and have lived in them are telling you you're dead wrong on the facts. Impressive stuff.

"And now you're playing the "well, if you don't live near the subway"."

It's a totally accurate statement though, so what's the problem? Why the asinine attitude?

> You're pretty delusional brother. I don't have the energy for your nonsense on this one. Take it
> easy.

You managed to make that the most hypocritical statement AND the biggest lie of the month!

"As for commutes, my point was very clear: the further you get out, the longer the commute."

And I don't know how I missed this one! Classic!

I've never seen so much backpedalling in my life!

Thanks for all the laughs!

"Even when people say I was "100% right" you continue to spin this bs"

NOBODY said you were right about the hour commute from Fort Green. Hell, the specific blocks in question are likely half that. You LIED.

Cherry pick and spin... WOW you are pathetic.

Lie, lie, lie, and then spin it.

Go home, tourist!

Yep, as I said, I guess I still have some energy. Amazing that's such a huge deal to you. Your responses are so offensive and full of lies, I do kind of enjoy responding to set you straight (though you'll obviously troll on and on).

"As for commutes, my point was very clear: the further you get out, the longer the commute"

That's not backpedalling - it's what I said from the beginning! Hence, the further you get from midtown (and Greenpoint is the closest to midtown, which you fail to recognize time and again!), the longer the commute. Check hopstop for commute times - a quick sample gave me commute times between 42 and 55 minutes, with one (at 51 mins) even using the G train, hilariously. Ah, nyc10022 my friend, the tourist here is you! But I'll welcome you anyway, because that's what a good New Yorker does.

Those sample times are for Fort Greene, btw (which you still can't spell).

> Yep, as I said, I guess I still have some energy. Amazing that's such a huge deal to you.

No, just funny...

> Your responses are so offensive and full of lies, I do kind of enjoy responding to set you straight
> (though you'll obviously troll on and on).

Dude, you can say it over and over again, but its still just lying. You were wrong, sorry.

"Check hopstop for commute times "

Wait, now you're going by HopStop! Oh my lord, its the superbackpedal again! What happened to having to live there?!?!

I've actually taken the train to and from, while you have to read about it online!

As I said, lie, backpedal, spin, backpedal some more!

BTW, hopstop South Portland to Grand Central...

pretty clear who lied even when using your tourist site!

> Ah, nyc10022 my friend, the tourist here is you

Yes, I should learn about neighborhoods on my computer and on TV just like "real" new yorkers like you.

ROTFL.

> BTW, hopstop South Portland to Grand Central...

And well under Noble Street and Franklin (your exact example) to same! And budgeting just 3 min for the transfer!

WOWZUH did you lie!