Sessanta

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Area is pretty desolate, far from subways, shopping. Also, it's not a particularly attractive area.

that said, apartments do look beautiful...can see why someone would make the tradeoff.

The area is definitely not a great one... its "behind" all the stuff that matters.

dropped by this weekend. Apartments are certainly nice. The studios are small, but its reflected in the cheap prices.

I didn't bother to check out 1BR as I thought they were priced too high.

Potential for major major construction noise, I would hang around the building at different times of the day to check out the noise if you were serious about renting.

The area is apart of Lincoln Square and is only getting better and the prices are lower than anything I have ever seen in this market. The adjacent boutique condo (same developer and union construction shop)is far nicer but I am sure you have to pay a pretty penny to be a part of that community... Although I think there is a unit in that building for rent...

these apartments are inexpensive, bordering on cheap by 2007 standards. put it this way, not much more than Peter Cooper, less than PCV was asking in 2007. very decent floorplans for a rental. did they change course from condo to rental?

Isn't this located two avenues from Columbus Circle and Time Warner? Two avenues? I walk over 20 blocks for Whole Foods and consider it somewhat in the neighborhood. (yes, i'm insane, but two avenues doesn't seem that far for shopping and transportation).

the developer owned the land for decades and built the adjacent 40 unit boutique condo. located at 243 W 60th St. There are a bunch of retail stores to be leased when the recession is over which will serve as a nice amenity. The adjacent condo building still has units avaialable at attractive prices (but not bargain basement like the fincial district and boroughs) The condo is built better with higher quality construction and finishes but the Sessanta seems to offer condo style living without the upfront price tag. (only problem is I doubt they will have all the amenities that they promise before the end of the summer...

All the amenities (pool, tennis court, gym) cost extra, I think it's 500 per person. This summer they are releasing only 8 floors of the building, the rest will stay in construction till late fall..

Yes, it's two and a half avenues from Columbus Circle, but there in NOTHING else for those LONG blocks.

The floor plan seems spacious, but once you account for columns, the studio's living area comes down to about 14.5 X 8.5, not 20 X 10.11 they advertise.

Bites when they charge for amenities. I wasn't looking at the studios, rather the 2 and 3 bedrooms, which are both large and inexpensive (by historical standards, now who knows) compared to apartments available from the larger rental apartment managers/owners.

Great building if and when they finish all the amenities... The adjacent condo that they built is by far much better built with supior quality... I think there is a unit there that a unit owner is looking to rent out. At these ridicoulously low rental rates, I wonder if the developer is just trying to lease up the building while they finish the construction (effectively you would be living in a construction site)

No subway, It's not hells kitchen & it's not the upper west side. I don't see the attraction. Where is the supermarket, dry cleaners and drug store? Seems a mistake

its an amzing street and area. Lincoln Square has much to offer. 60th stret is a power street. The retail will come. There are plenty of stores that will attract retail (landlords will have to provide incentives given the recession but watch how it all plays out over the next several months to a year. Worth checking out this area if you are not familiar. The rental prices are below market for a quality building with all the amenities...

what is a power street?

"what is a power street?"

2nd Avenue and 11th St www.downtownexpress.com/de_37/questionsandhorror.html

Bedford Ave curbed.com/archives/2009/01/22/its_construction_site_electrocution_season_on_bedford_ave.php

Rector St www.nytimes.com/2007/02/15/nyregion/15dog.html

Thompson Street gothamist.com/2007/08/30/dog_electrocute_1.php

$2200 for a studio in today's market is not cheap...i'm seeing doorman bldgs. dropping prices from a high of $2500 down to $1800-$1900.

its an amazing street and area. Lincoln Square has much to offer.

Lets break this down. Lincoln square has much to offer.
If we were talking Lincoln Center, Then Id agree, but the further away you are
then its less than clear what's being referenced?
Is an amazing street.
Again, I'm not sure whats being referred to. West End & 60th is essentially Hells kitchen. and not the heart of it. The only nearby transportation is the M57 bus. You are not near anything.

Sounds like broker plant to me....

All the amenities (pool, tennis court, gym) cost extra, I think it's 500 per person.

Lets break this down. Builders usually build amenity space like this when the surrounding area doesnt offer them. Again, this suggests you are renting in a fringe area away from it all. So the apartments better be priced less....

hey, i got it..a power street is where power brokers live.

just saw the building and been getting a feel for the area. I truly love it. Columbus Circle, the River, Lincoln Center, the Park are all 5 to 6 min walk from Sessanta. There is a bus that takes you cross town and a subway hub a few minute walk east in Columbus Circle. They are going to restore the landmarked bath house across the street starting next month (all the developers have put money into the fund to greenify the open space of the abandoned pool)
The prices for a condo like building is definitely reasonable because they are in lease-up mode. I am wary of the construction time line though... so renter be ware.. although I hear the builder has tons of money so no construction completion risk... There is lots of retail store fronts that should get leased up once all the site work gets completed..

Im going to rent a south facing 2 bedroom but Im going to try and negotiate into my lease a guarantee that the building amenities must be complete by the end of the summer or I should be entitled to a free months rent or the like...

Yo uswnyc123. I too was considering a 2-bedroom rental at the Sessanta. However, 1). the prices were a little higher than I expected, and 2). I found it quite odd they only offer one month free when the amenities aren't done? Were you able to rent with more than one month free? And last 3). Did the leasing agent mention to you they charge for the not-yet-completed-amenities?

what an odd post. every poster that touts this place as being great and the area being "amazing" has "upper ws" or "ws" as if that gives them some street cred to talk about the building and area. how transparent is it that this person(s) has a vested interest somehow?

VTbug,
I dont think the prices are high considering the quality building, luxury unit, common areas, amenities, location etc. 1 month is fair considering that the rental rates are below market. I dont like that there seems to be a great degree of construction still left for the tennis court and garden in the back. (If they say it will be completed in August then I want that in writing and if they cant deliver it then I want a month free rent. Its a fair request I think. (They should have nothing to worry about if they are being truthful in that completion date...

As for you "sniper" just look at your name "sniper" are you even in the market to buy or rent an apartment in NYC or do you just like to hunt for these criminal like brokers? Get real and add some value to these boards specifically to the Sessanta.

Looking forward to moving in with a July 15 target. Let me know if anyone with intimate knowledge on the building or area think otherwise... ? thanks

you don't seem to come up on many threads...in fact no threads other than this one...your broker-speak descriptions are amazingly transparent.

"If they say it will be completed in August then I want that in writing and if they cant deliver it then I want a month free rent. Its a fair request I think.(They should have nothing to worry about if they are being truthful in that completion date..."

are you moving in july 15th? if so, one would think that you already made this simple request to your new landlord and would know their response already, yet it seems more like you want others to make that request when they go look at this building that you love so much.

"As for you "sniper" just look at your name "sniper" are you even in the market to buy or rent an apartment in NYC or do you just like to hunt for these criminal like brokers?"

if you ever posted on these boards (or read them) except for when you are trying to generate sales at Sessanta, you would know plenty about my situation. As far as names "uwsnyc123?" I would have loved to have been in that broker brainstorming session:

"okay guys - we wanna post on SE but we need to sound like we are hip to the upper west side"

"yeah, let's go undercover and make it seem like we live there and know what's cool and what isn't! how about 'iamarealupperwestsideresidentwhoknowswhatscool!"

"hmmm that seems a little long. we want something simple that says 'we're a real person.' how about uwsnyc123??"

"yeah! perfect! that is not generic at all and screams of real life personality!"

"alright, then were set. now let's come up with a few more. let's make them all have 'uws.' that'll be fun!"

It took me closer to 12 minutes walking from Columbus circle to Adagio/Sessanta in the dead of winter with the wind blaring. I think it would have been worse if it were icy. The finishes are great, and I thought long and hard before deciding that the distance really killed it for me. Apparently you can use the shuttle from 10 WEA and Element to the subway b/c the developer is the same for all these buildings.

anyone moved in here? thinking about this place. +'s are size, price and finishes. -'s are location and funky layouts. the location is a huge deal, but it's the only place i can find that gives me what i want in terms of size, w/d, doorman, etc. how do others like it.

I took a look at Sessanta last weekend. My wife and I went to look at 2 and 3 bedrooms. The apartments themselves are well constructed, plenty of space, decent GE appliances that look pretty good. Bathrooms were well finished also. The problem is that its tough to move into a building when it is in the last stages of being completed. Many people will obviously be moving in frequently throughout the first year because of the different stages of completion, which is definitely annoying. Also, Im a bit weary of moving into a brand new building as I have done it before and it takes some time to work out the kinks.

The pro's are, the apartments are very well appointed and spacious. The cons are what I mentioned above, and most of all the area. There is a housing project a few blocks north, there are car dealerships and other undesirable places all along west end avenue. Those avenue blocks in the winter will definitely be tough going to columbus circle or the lincoln center area.

The apartments are attractively priced no doubt, but your typical Manhattan dilemma of taking a great apartment in an area that is shabby at best. Tough call.

who would pay 3000 for a one bed in such a horrible area? This is in the middle of nowhere

We were psyched to see Sessanta for the possible value of space vs expense but upon our visit we learned that "pet friendly" did not include our Golden Retriever (only pets under 35 pounds). So, phooey on them.

I moved in to Sessanta recently, so here are my observations. I love my apartment, it's airy, modern, and convenient. For a rental, bathroom and kitchen are very nice. It's a bit noisier from an air-conditioning shaft than I thought I would be, so if you're sensitive to noise, pay attention. Overall, the building is very quiet; I was worried that ongoing constructions and move-ins will bother me, but so far they are non-issue.

Location. Despite its fairly close proximity to Columbus Circle, Lincoln Center, and Central Park, the immediate neighborhood sucks. I doubt if it ever improves; the block has just a couple of other buildings and a school. A bit further is Fordham, hospitals, more schools, Lincoln Center garages, and yes, Projects. Projects are actually don't present that much troubles, it's just regrettable that there could be nice cafes and restaurants around the corner, and no, it'll never happen. The closest grocery store is Whole Foods, and I'm not their biggest fan.

One thing to consider is that published rents are actually "preferential%u201D. Sales staff never discusses it until you are ready to sign the lease and there is another number plopped on the page. So, be sure to ask before seriously considering renting.

What does "preferential%u201D" mean?

Preferential lease is the price stated on this site or Triumph Property Group. The lease itself includes preferential and actual rents, and the next time the lease goes for renewal, the owner may use the actual rent as the basis for an increase. Granted, in this economy it's highly unlikely, but the owner can legally do that. My actual rent is about 15 % higher than the one listed on this site.

Tenants recently received a 421a Notice which basically indicates that the building owner is entitled to apply a rent increase of 2.2%/annum. This increase CANNOT BE APPLIED prior to the first anniversary of the apartment lease. The rental statement that I received recently from the building reflected the rent increase effective immediately (several months before my first anniversary). It may have been a simple oversight but regardless, incorrectly applying a rental increase in a building the size of Sessanta is a pretty significant error and I would have just started paying the increase had I not thoroughly read the legal notice. The building is not nearly as "luxury" as I had hoped when I first moved in so that fact, together with the awkward location, is making the thought of any increase unpalatable.

the 2.2% is wrong... i called the algin office and they immediately backed off. they tried to pass it off as "ambiguous" language that they were not going to press, when in fact, they had no legal standing to assess the raise prior to the first anniversary of the lease start date. pretty bush league, but they're used to me call and yelling at them - usually get what i want, validating the squeaky wheel theory.

i actually do like the building. it's nice, although a bit "nickel & dime-ish", but the location is subpar.