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Started by sanba
over 17 years ago
Posts: 105
Member since: Feb 2007
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I'm interested in an apartment and so is another couple. It seems that they went to their mortgage broker and he said that no bank would finance a purchase for that apartment. We asked the broker to see the building's financial and we will have them tomorrow. The issue seems to be that the building still has 18% of sponsor units. We called our mortgage broker and he said he would also have an answer by tomorrow. Is there something that we should be looking at? Should we stay away? The interesting thing is that there hasn't been any closing in the building since the end of 08 and there are at least 10 units available. Others were taken off the market. Thanks for any feedback!
Response by manhattanfox
over 17 years ago
Posts: 1275
Member since: Sep 2007

why are you listening to another couple incompetition for the same apt? AR eyou sure the other couple exists and that the broker is not using that to push you into a deal? You should take all the time you need to look at building financials and you should clearly understand how many of the units are sold (not held by the sponsor or its affiliates)
Get this in writing.
NO RUSH!

Find out if you can get a mortgage? The broker will prefer a no finance contigency so you are on the hook for a 10% deposit. DO NOT get suckered into this.

Tell them you have lost interest as there appears to be too much hair on the deal -- Let them sweat.

They suck for doing this to you if my suspicions are correct -- Tell them to pound sand. you can likely buy it for 35% less in 2 years.

Good luck.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 17 years ago
Posts: 9913
Member since: Mar 2009

18% sponsor held is not all that unusual. if no bank will finance Coops based on taht alone, I think a lot of buildings are in trouble.

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Response by Fluter
over 17 years ago
Posts: 372
Member since: Apr 2009

No need to stay away, but due diligence is always in fashion, and good for you for flushing the financials. Echo no rush.

Sounds like the broker is the one who told you about the other couple's experience. I'm with manhattanfox, I wouldn't trust that report, either--heck the broker could be telling the truth, but is the other couple telling the broker the truth? Most people don't like to tell anyone, "They turned us down because we can't afford it." The 18% thing could have been mentioned in passing.

Let us know the outcome, would ya? If indeed banks are applying that sponsor threshold that would be interesting to hear.

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Response by OTNYC
over 17 years ago
Posts: 547
Member since: Feb 2009

Our co-op is 30% sponsor held and no issues for us or any others buyers over the past few years. It depends on whether the sponsor is cash flow positive or not. If the sponsor has only rent regulated units, chances are, they are under water (paying more for monthly maintenance than they are receiving in rent). If they have all market units or a mix, then they are likely cash-flow positive in which case banks should be OK. The managing agent should supply a cash-flow statement to the mortgage bank as part of your mortgage application package. Your lawyer should also be able to uncover any problems during due dilligence.

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Response by stevejhx
over 17 years ago
Posts: 12656
Member since: Feb 2008

Fannie just changed its rules for financing co-ops and condos, and banks are following those rules even for nonconforming mortgages. Basically noneviction plans under NYS law are dead.

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Response by waverly
over 17 years ago
Posts: 1638
Member since: Jul 2008

Steve - I am not sure I understand what you are saying. Can you flesh that out for me?

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Response by OTNYC
over 17 years ago
Posts: 547
Member since: Feb 2009

SteveJ - can you elaborate?

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