Why don't more people live in Brooklyn?

brokelyn, next thing you know, nyc10022 will call the Village Voice a tourist mag!

bjw2103:

Don't even bother. If we took a vote on this thread, I'm fairly certain there would be one poster, and one poster only who would receive the most votes for being uninformed and ignorant here.

Please just ignore him/her from now on. I will do the same. This person is clearly not all there.

nyc10022, from the Village Voice article:

"Boundaries: Flatbush Avenue to the north, Prospect Park on the east, 4th Avenue on the west, and 17th Street to the south."

"Main Drags: Seventh Avenue and 5th Avenue"

You are as wrong as wrong can be! Whoops.

Not to mention that the Village Voice article was written in 2005.

Since then, about 100 other shops and restaurants have opened. It's probably one of the most vibrant shopping/dining/bar strips in all of Brooklyn. Sure would seem so by the rents.

Its nice of the village voice to include 4th ave in park slope but 4th ave is a six lane major throughfare. It has absolutely none of the characteristics of any of the other blocks in "park slope", besides relative proximity to the park. Its like pitching a tent on the BQE and saying you live in Brooklyn Heights (sorry One BBP)...

bjw, still nothing that shows you didn't lie.... come on, you can do better! You lied twice big time in the thread, and nothing.... still haven't addressed it! Sad.

"The funniest part is that you think calling someone a tourist will distract from the fact that they actually think before the say something."

Wait, you have to think to come up with this nonsense? The stupid things you say take work?

Wow, sad.

"Its nice of the village voice to include 4th ave in park slope but 4th ave is a six lane major throughfare. It has absolutely none of the characteristics of any of the other blocks in "park slope", besides relative proximity to the park. Its like pitching a tent on the BQE and saying you live in Brooklyn Heights (sorry One BBP)..."

Wow, yet another person who thinks bjw is wrong.

What was that about voting again?

"Since then, about 100 other shops and restaurants have opened. It's probably one of the most vibrant shopping/dining/bar strips in all of Brooklyn. Sure would seem so by the rents. "

So if 3rd avenue becomes the coolest avenue in Manhattan, that suddenly makes it the middle of the West Village?

So much for logic...

The City of New York designates Park Slope:

bounded by Prospect Park West to the east, Fourth Avenue to the west, Park Place to the north and 15th Street to the south

The New York City Landmarks Preservation Committee gives the same border to the neighborhood. You'd think if Landmarks AND the city of NYC says 4th Avenue is the border of PS, that might be true info, no?

"You lied twice big time in the thread, and nothing.... still haven't addressed it! Sad."

How full of bs are you? The only one lying here is you, but you keep playing this Pee Wee Herman game, excellent troll that you are.

junkman_r_u, no doubt 4th Ave is quite different from the rest of the Slope, but the western part serves as the cutoff from Gowanus (or whatever you want to call it). The brownstones and small buildings between 4th and 5th Aves are certainly of the same character as the rest of the area.

BTW, bjw, what was that hypocrisy again about people that live there again?

The author of the article... is/was an intern who lives in Queens. She never got to write anythign else.

I LOVE IT! ROTFL!

"How full of bs are you? The only one lying here is you, but you keep playing this Pee Wee Herman game, excellent troll that you are."

You can jump up and down all day if you want, but its right there in the thread.

Sorry, you lied (again).

"bjw, still nothing that shows you didn't lie"

Are you joking? Really? One of the most prominent city-based publications explicitly says your "theories" were wrong, even as far back as 2005! How much more do you want?

Wow, you really have trouble with reading and writing, don't you....

I guess you've lied so much you don't even know which lie I'm talking about. Perhaps you need to reread the thread...

"So if 3rd avenue becomes the coolest avenue in Manhattan, that suddenly makes it the middle of the West Village?"

Self-serving and pretty horrible analogy. 5th Ave is CLEARLY in Park Slope.

"The author of the article... is/was an intern who lives in Queens. She never got to write anythign else.
I LOVE IT! ROTFL!"

Yes, because the editors thought it would be funny to publish poor information. Try again. You'll never admit that you're wrong (again) and that you're constantly lying (again). But you are. And yes, it's all there in the thread.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 10022 is in midtown on the East Side.

Probably one of the worst, if not THE WORST area in all of Manhattan. I'd rather live in Inwood.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Nyc10022, I've already reported you for abuse, and I hope others here will do the same.

You are nothing but a troll on a thread about a neighborhood you've clearly never been to.

> You are nothing but a troll on a thread about a neighborhood you've clearly never been to.

Wow, you and bjw are both really racking up the lies!

Well done! ROTFL. I love it!

Oh god please not another Park Slope boundary thread. Doesn't the official city boundary win out over any territorial nonsense, get over it already.

ANYWAY brokelyn yes I did mean GetFreh Table and Market and I will now definitely check it out (and get the coffee).

Interesting that no other poster has come to your defense, nyc10022.

Not a single person here agrees with you. Zero.

Nada.

Again..keep it up. You won't be here for long as you've been reported for trolling.

...so you would rather live in Inwood than live somewhere on the east side of Midtown with a 10022 zip code, like say........One Beacon Court?

LOL, Yea. OK. Keep telling yourself that.

Somebody just got so pissy he's had to resort to lying.

Yes, everybody would rather live in Park Slope than the East 60s. Keep telling yourself that!

> Not a single person here agrees with you. Zero.

I'm sorry you can't read, but don't lie (again).

Yes. I lived in the 10022 zip code years ago (for 2 years) and I would most certainly choose Inwood. It's more of a neighborhood and not dead after 6pm except for frat types (NOT my scene).

But I also don't much care for Manhattan anymore. I much prefer Brooklyn.

kimerama, if you want the best possible stumptown coffee head over to cafe pedlar on court street. It's co-owned by the owner of stumptown and frankies sputino. A lot of restaurants in bk serve stumptown now, but the best of theirs that I have had was at cafe pedlar.

No, not everyone would prefer Park Slope to the East 60's.

I said I do.

Again, could you possibly be ANY more ignorant?

Junkman is correct...went over to cafe peddler on Sunday and it is EXCELLENT!

....so you would rather live in Brooklyn than live in the 60s across the park in Lenox Hill?

Stop lying to yourself.

> But I also don't much care for Manhattan anymore. I much prefer Brooklyn.

Really, you don't say. Never would have guessed it. Wait, cause you moved there. OH yeah, agenda.

Wow, brokelyn, are you bjw?

"...so you would rather live in Inwood than live somewhere on the east side of Midtown with a 10022 zip code, like say........One Beacon Court?"

I hear Bloomberg is selling his townhouse to move to 4th avenue.

Alright then, cafe pedlar, another place to add to the to-do list. Thanks.

And brokelyn as I've posted before I could have easily bought on the UES or midtown east but CHOSE Brooklyn after looking for a very long time in a buyer's market, and Park Slope at that so you are not alone in your preference. No offense to eastsiders at all but people do occasionally choose BK over certain parts of Manhattan.

"Wait, cause you moved there. OH yeah, agenda."

You could say this about anyone. You moved from Dumbo to Midtown apparently, so it's kind of a useless argument. The bigger point is, you're so quick to call anyone who disagrees with you a "liar" but you're arguably one of the biggest shams on this board - remember how you switched aliases (from EddieWilson) and have yet to fess up to it, even though you said you wouldn't post for 6 months? Now THAT was lie.

Yes, for the $$$ factor. We've been over this many times. Many people "choose" the south bronx over 5th avenue. Might be because they can only afford $200 for rent.

Picking a cheaper neighborhood doesn't mean you find it better, it means its the best use of your funds. If someone chooses a neighborhood for "value", that doesn't show preference, it shows the result of certain compromise.

Folks without $$$ considerations choose Manhattan overwhelmingly. When you remove the cost constraint (even just in the though process), you get a truer answer.

Um no. I could have afforded to live in all the areas I mentioned but I chose Brooklyn, was that somehow not clear?

Having said that if I REALLY had money I probably would have lived someplace downtown (someplace not 400 square feet). I'm not anti-Manhattan, I just don't like every neighborhood in Manhattan and I just finally realized that it's more important to like where you live than to just be able to say "I live in Manhattan." That's all I'm saying.

Kimerama, my apologies, I wasn't talking specifically about you.... only the general statement "people do occasionally choose BK over certain parts of Manhattan."

Which is why I was general in mine "Folks without $$$ considerations choose Manhattan overwhelmingly"... and I certainly did not say all.

There are folks on both sides, I'm sure.

I'm just pointing out that the volume of folks choosing A over B doesn't speak to much without financial considerations.

Lots of folks choose Hyundai.

nyc10022, I do enjoy how you manage to always have an answer of some sort, usually within minutes, but are always peculiarly silent when it comes to what I typed above.

Manhattan has 1.6 million people.

Brooklyn has 2.5 million.

More people, in fact have chosen B.

This article kind of goes against your theory nyc10022...take special note of the last sentence:

Park Slope Living at Manhattan Rents!
For over a decade now, Manhattan and Brooklyn have competed for the affections of younger or first-time renters. Manhattan was Manhattan, the gentrifying New Rome with all the amenities and nightlife one could want, often with shorter work commutes. Brooklyn was ever-emergent, the cool capital with reservations—longer commutes and sparser retail, plus the burden of pioneering in neighborhoods that didn’t always welcome newcomers.

But, oh, Brooklyn! What deals! Compared to Manhattan, Brooklyn apartments in the brownstone satellites like Carroll Gardens and Park Slope seemed—in fact, were—so cheap. And yet the neighborhoods looked and felt like nascent versions of SoHo or the West Village.

The latest numbers suggest this trend is ending. It’s not just that Brooklyn brownstone neighborhoods are getting comparably expensive to Manhattan; it’s that they’re getting a lot more expensive at a time when Manhattan seems to have topped out.

While the Manhattan apartment market did scale tremendous heights in 2007, it also exhibited signs of softening. And some neighborhoods like Hell’s Kitchen and the Lower East Side slipped below Brooklyn locales like Park Slope and Williamsburg in rent medians.

And since we're talking about a comparison to the West Village here also, here is an article from May 19, 2009 about how Greenwich Village now leads all of Manhattan in a spike in violent crime...up 42% from last year:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192009/news/regionalnews/manhattan/violent_crime_wave_jolts_trendy_downtown_170010.htm

"Lots of folks choose Hyundai."

Hyundai in recent years, in fact has racked up more "best of" awards for their cars from edmunds, u.s. news and world report, etc than any other car company I can think of. They currently have the highest rated sedan 15K-25K and the best rated minivan made.

Not a very good comparison, but not surprised coming from someone who sounds like his IQ is roughly 40.

They might not be as attractive to those who are shallow, materialistic and care about name recognition only, but they are VERY attractive for those looking for a great car at an affordable price.

brokelyn: you are like the new village idiot on here, aren't you?

you write, "Greenwich Village now leads all of Manhattan in a spike in violent crime...up 42% from last year"

The "crime spike" you refer to (as does every poster on here who seems to need to convince themselves it is good they can't afford and don't live in GV) is the difference between something like 20 versus 40 crimes of a specific type. It is likely a result of one or two individuals committing a pattern crime or "serial" crimes as TV calls them. Overall, most categories actually continue to decrease but I don't see you citing the categories of crime that are decreasing...why is that?

You also write: Manhattan has 1.6 million people. Brooklyn has 2.5 million. More people, in fact have chosen B."

Your moronic reference to population equating to desirability is pretty lame and a fairly juvenile approach to statistics or social science. Manhattan has a population density of 66940/mi. over its 23 sq/miles. Brooklyn is triple the size at 71 sq/miles with about 1/2 the population density of 34920/mi according to the last census. It appears that for reasons not reflected in this data alone, people are cramming themselves into Manhattan.

But whatever the case, why the inferiority complex? If you are happy in Brooklyn, that is wonderful. I'm happy for you. No need to attack your choices or circumstances. Why do you feel the need to comment on other people's choices and financial status that allows them to make choices that may be different than yours? It's like blowing spitballs at the pretty girl in class because she won't talk to you.

thank you, kyle. this harping on the village "crime spike" is annoying. it's too small a sample to call a pattern. that said, it is of course worriesome, and should be monitored.

this year there has been a lot more fatal airline crashes than in years past. i wouldn't yet say this means airlines are suddenly less safe than in 2008.

> brokelyn: you are like the new village idiot on here, aren't you?

I think you nailed it.

Wait, wait...I'M the village idiot?!

There were 28 violent crimes in Greenwich Village in all of 2008 and there have been 40 SO FAR IN 2009. As of May...only 5 months into the year. You do see the difference, correct? Please don't call someone out when you don't even seem capable of deciphering a rather simple chart.

Listen...I'm not saying GV is a dangerous place in general...certainly it is not, but this should be of concern to every person in that neighborhood. I think GV is a terrific place.

> Wait, wait...I'M the village idiot?!

Not the greenwich village idiot, idiot of a different village. Sorry for the confusion.

What does that make you, nyc10022...idiot of NYC?

Because it looks to me like every single person on here doesn't respect you.

An entire new conversation was started just to make fun of your idiocy.

Classic SE is back YESSssssssssss

> Because it looks to me like every single person on here doesn't respect you.

I love that this genius says this right after 3 folks in a row called him the village idiot.

>>>> There were 28 violent crimes in Greenwich Village in all of 2008 and there have been 40 SO FAR IN 2009. As of May...only 5 months into the year. You do see the difference, correct? Please don't call someone out when you don't even seem capable of deciphering a rather simple chart.

the article compares 2009 YTD to the same period in 2008, so the "only 5 months into the year" is not relevant

> Classic SE is back YESSssssssssss

LOL

Mutombo, you think this guy is rufus? Or maybe spunky? Or that Lehman guy?

nyc10022,

First, that name brokelyn, has an subliminal message. brokelyn, is a recycled person on SE.

He also missed that article on how when prices in Manhattan lowered to where they got closer to Brooklyn, it started the trend of folks moving back in. Sunday Times RE section 2 weeks ago, I believe.

But, I guess some folks are going to believe what they want to believe... and a select few need everyone else to agree with their choices, because they clearly don't feel comfortable with them on their own.

No clue what SE is. Brokelyn is the name of a really terrific new blog.

You hanging with Heath Ledger again tonight at Po on 5th Avenue, nyc10022?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

> No clue what SE is

I would never have guessed.

ROTFL.

Why didn't you respond to my comment about their being a whole new thread on streeteasy dedicated to people talking about how you are a troll who signs in with multiple names, nyc10022...?

And none of the comments are mine, so clearly I'm not the only person who takes issue with your trolling.

Genius, the whole thread is about me getting into fights with idiots. Note you get named as the village idiot on that thread, too...

"An entire new conversation was started just to make fun of your idiocy"

Dude, you are too funny! The only person being called an idiot... is YOU. By multiple people!

Gets some reading comprehension, you clearly didn't read the other thread!

It takes a really sick person to come onto a conversation which was STARTED by someone who said they came out to Brooklyn and loved it, for you to come on here and start a Manhattan vs. Brooklyn war.

Yet, you say IM the one who doesn't feel comfortable with my choices? That's too funny. Talk about a hypocrite.

You aren't even smart enough to see how stupid you sound for coming into this conversation in the first place, spreading falsehoods and lies about neighborhoods you clearly haven't been to in 20 years and then expect people to listen to you? I'd love for you to come to Park Slope and tell people who live here that 5th Avenue isn't the hub of the neighborhood. You'd be laughed at so hard, you'd go crying back to the UES.

You are an idiot of the highest order.

SE = streeteasy

Brokelyn = Brooklyn

"It takes a really sick person to come onto a conversation which was STARTED by someone who said they came out to Brooklyn and loved it, for you to come on here and start a Manhattan vs. Brooklyn war. "

The conversation was fine until the village idiot showed up! War is all yours, genius!
It was civil until YOU! I made several posts about there being pros and cons on both sides, and how it comes down to which compromises.

Jesus christ, you are a bigger idiot than we thought!

"Yet, you say IM the one who doesn't feel comfortable with my choices? That's too funny. Talk about a hypocrite. "

Look up the meaning of the word before you use it. You really aren't too swift...

"You aren't even smart enough to see how stupid you sound for coming into this conversation in the first place, spreading falsehoods and lies about neighborhoods you clearly haven't been to in 20 years and then expect people to listen to you?"

Dude, you have multiple people now calling you on your moronic statements.

Again, TWO other folks called you the village idiot before me.

Sing and dance all you want, you're an idiot.

Actually, I will correct that.

It was you and bjw/mutombo who started it first. But theirs died down, and then the moronic war was all yours!

I do have to admit that as a long term Village resident (and even longer term Village/Chelsea/Noho resident) that I don't like the Village/Chelsea anywhere near as much as I used to back when they were the Village and Chelsea before they turned into the Short Hills Mall. I had such hopes for the far West Village when that Upper Eastsider who moved in without a clue of what the nabe was like got murdered while making a phone call on Jane Street and NY Mag wrote that lame article about drug dealers with pit bulls with their vocal chords cut out.

(and my apologies for the insensitivity to the family of that guy. I was using hyperbole to make a point)

Xenophobes, goddamn I can't stand them. Especially so when you're in the USA, & especially so when you're on the East Coast, & especially so when you're a Northerner, & especially so when you're in NYC.

Not good enough for you?

What?

1oneWon, you forgot "& especially so when you're in Manhattan". You also forgot to break out your dictionary to find out what "xenophobe" means.

Brokelyn, zealous civic-boosterism and a hall-monitor mentality spiced with raging anger don't make me want to go to your blog, no matter how cool it it. You may want to try a different marketing approach.

LOL @ ChasingWamus.

I love the Far West Village.

It feels so private, upper-class yet very hip and avantgarde. I enjoy driving my high perf. car on the quiet, cute, cobblestone streets and pulling into my garage in peace (away from the obese midwestern tourists walking about, lower-class 80/20 buildings and the like.)

Why would anyone want to live in Brooklyn, anyway? Especially over the Village (unless, you're poor of course)?

Brilliant post westsidehighway. Very insightful and thoughtful. You've added immeasurably to this discussion. Thank you. Did you get a little thrill out of your attempt at being a provocateur? Good for you. Jeesh.

lol

That's Okay, there is enough people in Brooklyn. You people stay where you are.

No sh-t! At 2.5 million residents Bklyn is the most populous boro in NYC. What is this thread even about? And why was it resurrected from 5 months ago?

Are there better toilet seats in Brooklyn? Aboutready might be interested in moving there.

2.5 million? That's it? In the 1950's, Brooklyn's population was approximately 2.7 - 2.8 million. Think of all the additional hot tail in our area!

I eat Avenue J.

Sorry, channeling "Lords of Flatbush".

Interesting comparisons here. I did the search for Hoboken and found this discussion.

I moved to Brooklyn from Tribeca 9 years ago (along with several other of my Tribeca "neighbors") and couldn't be happier. I'm in Brooklyn Heights where I'm greeted by Truman Capote's quote about living in Brooklyn by choice on a placard at the corner. Brooklyn Heights is lovely, near almost all trains, and there's a park with cushion running track, trees, and astro-turf soccer field across the street. My children are happy and I've carved out a niche as being an agent who specializes in what I call "moving people across the bridge," from Manhattan to Brooklyn. And, I've done quite a lot of it. Family size apartments, houses for the cost of a loft, and excellent train access, shopping, and affordable restaurants. I live in Brooklyn by choice as well.

How come no one mentions Brownsville, East New York, Flatlands, Flatbush, Bed Stuy, Bushwick, etc. when they talk about "Brooklyn". There is more to "Brooklyn" than Brooklyn Heights and Prospect Park. LOL!

"How come no one mentions Brownsville, East New York, Flatlands, Flatbush, Bed Stuy, Bushwick, etc. when they talk about "Brooklyn"."

Because most people on this board aren't looking to move into the ghettos of Brooklyn.

For most people Brooklyn is where they look to when they are priced out of Manhattan, so on that note the neighborhoods that will get a look will be those most like Manhattan, Park Slope and Brooklyn heights come to mind. Other neighborhoods such as Williamsburg are Greenpoint are further down that list, are less established as upscale neighborhoods and don't have less desirable mass transit options.

Brooklyn is and always has been a place people loved living and for many they would not want to live anywhere else regardless of market conditions. I have been in NYC since 1981 and even then Brooklyn was a place many people I knew (including Norman Mailer) called home. Over the last 2-3 years it has become even more popular as a place to live as many Manhattan neighborhoods became less of a charming burg, and more homogenized. Cobble Hill, Carroll Gardens, Fort Greene, DUMBO etc. are wonderful neighborhoods with great shopping, restaurants, parks and people.

In many ways Brooklyn has become a more intriguing place to live these days for many people.

Keith Burkhardt
TBG

Real estate is incredibly cyclical. Several neighborhoods in Brooklyn became more attractive as residents and business owners no longer could afford the prices in Manhattan. This helped foster a diverse and eclectic assortment or restaurants, shops, bars, etc. The cycle will continue as prices continue to rise in Brooklyn, business owners will be priced out, residents will be unable to afford the rents. Big franchises shops will replace the small, locally owned store. People wll then look elsewhere - The Bronx, Queens, East Side.....and the cycle continues.

So did the OP ever "book" to Brooklyn?

"How come no one mentions Brownsville, East New York, Flatlands, Flatbush, Bed Stuy, Bushwick, etc. when they talk about "Brooklyn"."

"Because most people on this board aren't looking to move into the ghettos of Brooklyn."

Another thing Matt doesn't know what he's talking about?

I can't tell you how many folks I know that have moved to Bed Stuy and Bushwick in the last couple of years (whether they know it or not, the brokers do get clever with those names). Flatbush and Flatlands are fairly far out there, not quite commuting distances.

But calling them ghettos, really?

Wouldn't surprise me if Matt has never been to Brooklyn.

Also, with the hipstars finally having discovered the less-known beaches of The Rockaways, it's inevitable that they discover the neighborhoods they pass through.

So plan on Ozone Park being where tomorrow's up-and-coming youngsters hang out with the fluorocarbons. But that's Queens, a topic for a different thread.

Anyway, all the other places in between. And of course East New York's rail crossroads don't hurt -- the train formerly known as the Love Line, and the express A, and the LES-bound brown BMT lines, plus easy JFK access. And the cool name "Broadway Junction". Reminiscent of Petticoat Junction, Function at the Junction, Conjunction Junction, the list goes on and on.

Stupid post by the OP. I should start one that asks "why do more people not live in Jersey? "

"Wouldn't surprise me if Matt has never been to Brooklyn."

Lived in Brooklyn for 11 years.

Any of that time in the current century? I think you'd be lying if you said yes.

There's quite a few new construction projects in B'wick. Due to the high rents in the W'burg, G'point, and Dumbo, Bushwick is up-and-coming. Brooklyn is the IT borough!

Fine, talk all you want about Bushwick & BedStuy, but Brownsville??? East NY??? Are you kidding me? When Manhattanites think Brooklyn is unsafe, its because they're thinking of these 2 neighborhoods, aka the two hoods with the highest crime/murder rates in the city. So yes, the ghetto.

>Stupid post by the OP. I should start one that asks "why do more people not live in Jersey? "

New Jersey is different than Brooklyn.

"I can't tell you how many folks I know that have moved to Bed Stuy and Bushwick in the last couple of years (whether they know it or not, the brokers do get clever with those names). Flatbush and Flatlands are fairly far out there, not quite commuting distances.

But calling them ghettos, really?"

Yes, Bed Stuy is a ghetto. Crime is so bad in Bed Stuy, it's comon knowledge that the 81st Precinct out there deliberately fudges the crime numebrs to make cime appear lower than it actually is.

maybe let's go back to the data, i don't think you can fudge violent crime statistic;
For those who should strongly believe so so, there are some effective medications for paranoia
Each SE listing has a link to the local precinct and crime date
Bed Stuy and Bushwick, since you live in Brooklyn for 10 years, have within themselves huge variation in crime rates and prices and are partially already being gentrified - North west sectors
If you call Ghetto based on the tyoe of people who live there, i am sorry for your limited view and let's move on

South Brooklyn - Bay Ridge, Gerritsen, Marine Park, Boro Park, Canarsie, Sheepshead, Bensonhurst. These are big popular areas, they are just not Manhattan alternatives.

South Brooklyn may be "big" and "popular" but is not a "Manhattan alternative." Those are places people live who travel to Manhattan every now and then. No one lives in Marine Park, Gerritsen, Canarsie, etc., and thinks commuting to Manhattan every day as a reality.

i have coworkers doing just that from Marine Park. I wouldn't do it, but my 50 min commute on B train is not something most other people will do either.

Agree - as I said in my post - it is not a Manhattan alternative. But also agree with ab11218 that people can commute from there. They might not be Wall Street front office professionals and big media executives, but there are plenty who do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/nyregion/gerritsen-beach-home-to-emergency-workers-is-still-reeling-from-the-storm.html?_r=0

Probably also worth noting that south or SE Brooklyn is an alternative to some for Staten Island. Plenty of ppl from Staten Island make the trek to Manhattan for work. They aren't Manhattan living alternatives, but they are fine for commuting for Manhattan for work.

Brooklyn’s New Gentrification Frontiers
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/realestate/moving-deeper-into-brooklyn-for-lower-home-prices.html?

why don't you explain why you changed your name from hunters burg?

"...More people are moving into New York than leaving it for the first time since 1950, according to the latest U.S. Census Bureau data, officials announced Thursday. That propelled the city's population to a record-high 8.3 million people as of July 2012...

...Brooklyn had the largest bump, gaining 60,900 people, for a 2.4% rise. Manhattan ranked second, expanding by 33,200 people, a 2.1% increase...."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323393304578360843510895154.html?mod=dist_smartbrief

Do people who use Streeteasy live in areas of Brooklyn that aren't Brooklyn Heights / downtown, Park Slope, or Williamsburg?
Opinions on some of these other neighborhoods?
Commute to Manhattan?