miniville: Housing Bottom Nowhere in Sight
Started by jason10006
over 17 years ago
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"...Karl Case, of the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, has studied US house prices going back to the 1890s. Over the long run, he says, home prices tend to increase on average at an inflation-adjusted rate of 2.5% to 3% a year, about the same as per-capita income.... ....Prices have now declined back within the range seen during the period from the 1970s through the 1990s. That’s why the eternal optimists are proclaiming a housing bottom. What they don’t understand is that the current downturn will over-correct to the downside...." http://www.minyanville.com/articles/S-P-HD-LOW-A-mortgage/index/a/23080/from/yahoo
that is some chart
don't know if I belive that "building costs" line (at least for this area).
"This would be a reduction of $70 billion in housing investment from the peak. Not the best news for Home Depot (HD) and Lowe’s (LOW). "
As i pointed out last week, that's why the HD and LOW earnings news was so important.
Interesting evaluatin of a national market. I wonder how this plays in our own back yard? I think we experienced a 'double abnormal' experience. The tech bubble fueled a considerable RE bubble that was never corrected for in any meaningful way. This was followed by a housing bubble whose profits centered on Manhattan further increasing the size of our local RE bubble. A multi-year correction could leave Manhattan RE down another 25% from todays in-contract pricing. This would not make me happy.
Falco, for such a bearish guy, a 50% peak to trough (25% down from 70%) is not all that draconian of a case for Manhattan real estate. The graph for Manhattan is similar...all we have done is retrace to the very top of the previous range (of price to rents)....why shouldn't we fall to the middle of the normal range - if not the bottom?
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=SHIAX#chart5:symbol=shiax;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
No green shoot here.
Distress debt have lead the general market over the past 3 years. Continue to make new highs.
And I love how the bulls think this is a 6 month correction, then a bounce straight up.