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Cost to remove fire escapes/install sprinklers in 5 floor brownstone?

Started by 74W85
almost 17 years ago
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Can anyone comment on the cost for removal of fire-escapes and installation of a sprinkler system in a five-story brownstone?
Response by tandare
almost 17 years ago
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take this question over to www.brownstoner.com -- their forum is resplendent with brownstone-related construction information and recommendations - surely at least one of the posters there has dealt with this very issue

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Response by Topper
almost 17 years ago
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My landlord (of a townhouse) opted not to do this because of the cost. In addition to the cost for removal of the fire-escapes and the installation of a sprinkler system he said it would require a whole new linkage to the city water mains which would require breaking through the sidewalk and road. Cost for just that he said would be about $35 K.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 17 years ago
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It's hard to give a number because one of the largest costs may be refinishing the facade of the building after removing the fire escapes. I would say adding sprinklers alone about $15K. Removing fire escapes alone about $10K. Hooking up the system around $3K to $5k. Restoring the facade $10K to $80K.

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Response by The_President
almost 17 years ago
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If I owned a brownstone, I would remove the fire escapes no matter what the cost is. I think fire escapes are truly one of the most ugly things in NYC and absolutely hate them.

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Response by nyc10023
almost 17 years ago
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Depends on the setup. If you don't provide fire escapes, and it's used as a multi-family, you will not get the exclusive use of the staircase even if you occupy the top floors with no in-between tenants. That's my understanding, anyway.

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Response by Topper
almost 17 years ago
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I think they're incredibly ugly as well! They make a "townhouse" look like a "tenement."

I've seen them put on the back of the house which is a lot better than the front.

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Response by NYRENewbie
almost 17 years ago
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Better to have and not need than to need and not have.

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Response by mimi
almost 17 years ago
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When is a house owner required to install sprinklers? Does it depend on the C of O?

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
almost 17 years ago
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"When is a house owner required to install sprinklers? Does it depend on the C of O?"

You need a certain number of "means of egress" and sprinklers, even though not being an actual means of egress, have been allowed as a substitute means of egress. So taking away fire escapes = -1 means of egress and adding sprinklers = +1 means of egress.

NB: usually it's not sprikler-ing the whole house, it's just sprinklering the underside of a wooden main stairs case. I guess that's why they include it as a means of egress because the feeling was that makes the use of the wooden staircase twice as useful in a fire because you'll be able to use it in case of fire where you wouldn't if it was on fire and unstable?

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