WSJ: High-End Homes Frozen Out of Budding Housing Rebound
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KENILWORTH, Ill. -- Housing is fast dividing into two markets: Sales of low- and moderately priced homes are picking up and values have stopped falling in some parts of the nation. But on the upper end, sales remain mired in a deep slump and price declines are expected to accelerate. Signs of the divide are visible across the country, including in suburban Chicago. In middle-class Schaumburg,... [more]
KENILWORTH, Ill. -- Housing is fast dividing into two markets: Sales of low- and moderately priced homes are picking up and values have stopped falling in some parts of the nation. But on the upper end, sales remain mired in a deep slump and price declines are expected to accelerate. Signs of the divide are visible across the country, including in suburban Chicago. In middle-class Schaumburg, Ill., which had a median income of $65,000 in 2007, sales were up 41% in June from the depressed level of a year earlier and bidding wars have broken out on some properties. "I can't even tell you how many I've been in over the last two months," says Joe Stacy, a local real-estate agent. But 25 miles away in the affluent town of Kenilworth, with a median income of $230,000, home sales have stalled. While there are 65 homes on the market, just 13 have sold this year. "We're extremely oversupplied," says Sherry Molitor, a local real-estate agent. "Sellers are struggling to realize that we're back to 2001-02 prices." The divide between the mass market and the high-end -- generally defined as homes that cost above $750,000 -- partly reflects the effects of Washington's housing-rescue plan, which is producing winners and losers. Policymakers have helped spur sales of lower-priced homes by offering first-time buyers a federal tax credit of as much as $8,000, by driving mortgage rates to near 50-year lows and by expanding the mission of the Federal Housing Administration, which will guarantee mortgages for consumers buying homes with down payments as low as 3.5%. Sales at the lower end are also helped by the large number of foreclosed homes that banks have dumped at fire-sale prices, which has pulled down values of neighboring houses and sparked bargain hunting. Prices in both Las Vegas and Phoenix are down more than 50% from their peaks of several years ago, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller index. Home prices tracked by that index rose 0.5% for the three-month period ending in May versus the three-month period ending in April, the first monthly gain in nearly three years. Prices have shown signs of stabilizing in recent months as the share of distressed homes, including those that sell out of foreclosure, falls from highs reached earlier this year. Low prices have ignited a home-buying boom in some markets. In June, sales of single-family homes in the Las Vegas area were up about 70% from a year earlier. For affluent buyers, it's a different story. The $8,000 tax credit for first-time homeowners phases out for single buyers whose incomes exceed $75,000, or married couples earning more than $150,000. Low-interest-rate mortgages backed by the FHA and government-controlled mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are only available on loans below limits set by Congress. Last year, Congress increased those limits to $417,000 in most markets, and to as high as $729,750 in certain high-cost markets, including parts of Hawaii, California, New York and Washington, D.C. Mortgages for amounts that exceed those limits are called "jumbo" mortgages, and face higher interest rates. Last week, the average rate on a 30-year mortgage below the limits was 5.42% compared with 6.33% for jumbos, according to HSH Associates, a financial publisher. Extremely wealthy people may not need a mortgage. But buyers who take mortgages for expensive homes generally face higher rates and tighter lending standards. Most banks that offer jumbo mortgages are generally requiring down payments of 20% to 30% or more, knocking out potential buyers who don't have much equity in their homes and have seen retirement savings fall. While subprime mortgages sparked the first round of housing problems two years ago, now "troubles are lurking further up the food chain," says Joshua Shapiro, chief U.S. economist at MFR Inc. White-collar job losses have accelerated while more adjustable-rate loans to prime borrowers are resetting to higher payments. "You put all that together, it leads me to believe that the next leg down on home prices is going to come from the top," he says. To be sure, the affluent housing market is substantially smaller than the mass market. Sales of existing homes priced over $750,000 accounted for 2.3% of all sales in the first quarter of this year, compared to 4.4% of the housing market in 2007, according to the National Association of Realtors. Still, the distress in high-end market has implications for consumer spending: the top 10% of U.S. households in terms of income accounted for 23% of consumer spending in 2007, according to government statistics. As those households watch their home equity evaporate, they are more reluctant to spend on housing upgrades or other items. Inventory of expensive homes is rising. Overall, the inventory of unsold homes in June was enough to last 9.4 months at the current selling pace, down from 11 months a year ago, according to the NAR. But the supply of unsold homes priced above $750,000 swelled to around 17 months in June, up from a 14.5-month backlog one year ago. A recent forecast by analysts at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. said it would take until at least 2012 for the expensive-home market to recover and that peak-to-trough declines could surpass 60%, compared to 40% for the rest of the market. Defaults are rising, too. Among prime mortgages, jumbo mortgages are now leading delinquencies and defaults and are the fastest-rising category for defaults of all types of mortgages. The rate of 60-day delinquencies on prime-jumbo mortgages jumped to 7.4% in May, from 4.5% in November, according to First American CoreLogic. By comparison, 60-day delinquencies on prime-conforming loans reached 4.9% in May, from 3.6% in November. A recent survey by the NAR found nearly three-quarters of real-estate agents said buyers were purchasing smaller houses due to tighter credit requirements. "We're in a 'trade-down' environment for the first time since the 1930s," says Kenneth Rosen, chairman of the Fisher Center for Real Estate and Urban Economics at the University of California, Berkeley. High-end homes are also being hurt by changing perceptions about how much home one should own. For years, people were encouraged to buy the most expensive home they could afford because there would be a payoff when it was time to sell. But buyers can't count on that any longer. Having lost large amounts in the stock market and on real estate, "a lot of people are licking their wounds and hoarding their cash," says Sally Daley, a real-estate broker who sells luxury homes in Vero Beach, Fla. She says many customers are asking, "Do I really need this big a house?" Even families who can come up with the hefty down payments are buying more conservatively. Gabi Marks, an attorney, and her husband Don, an engineer, recently sold their condo and bought a five-bedroom Victorian house in San Francisco to accommodate their growing family. They paid about $1.58 million, staying below their self-imposed ceiling of $1.8 million. "We made sure we had a sufficient [financial] cushion," Ms. Marks says. They made a down payment of about 30%, partly to qualify for a lower-cost loan, and plan to pay down a big chunk of debt as soon as the sale of their condo is completed. When the foreclosure crisis began two years ago, there were few signs the high-end market would suffer. "It's God's country," Leslie Appleton-Young, chief economist for the California Association of Realtors, told an audience of real-estate agents in 2007. "When is the 30% decline in Marin County's market going to happen? Not in my lifetime." Home prices there have fallen by 21% from their 2006 peak, according to Zillow.com, a real-estate Web site. Ms. Appleton-Young now says there's "no doubt that the high-end housing prices have adjusted and will continue to adjust." Few in Kenilworth ever expected the price declines that began in markets decimated by subprime loans and house-flippers would ever reach their streets, which are lined with Tudor mansions, manicured lawns, and for-sale signs. The community, which has a bowling league and a sailing club and is consistently named as one of America's wealthiest towns, was developed as a planned community 100 years ago on land purchased by Chicago retailer Joseph Sears, son of the founder of Sears, Roebuck & Co. Today, the neighborhood is a microcosm of other high-end housing markets across the country, where homeowners are frozen in their homes, postponing relocations or a planned downsizing because they aren't willing to cut prices. Those who do drop their prices risk raising the ire of the neighbors. Peter Cummins, a local real-estate agent who lives in Kenilworth, caught some flak from residents in June after chopping the asking price of a six-bedroom home to about $1.6 million from nearly $2 million. To draw attention to the cut, he produced a flier reading: "Hey Chicken Little, is that the sky falling in Kenilworth?" Some residents are angry because policymakers in Washington specifically excluded jumbo mortgages in housing-rescue plans. "We're considered either rich people who don't deserve help or deadbeats who bought too much house," says Kelli Kobor, a 42-year-old substitute high school teacher. "I don't see Washington prepared to deal with us." Five years ago, she and her husband bought their five-bedroom Dutch colonial in Kenilworth for $1.3 million with a 25% down payment using equity they'd built up from two previous homes. Her husband lost his job in December and took a new one that pays much less, making it harder to make mortgage payments. Ms. Kobor says she missed her first mortgage payment in the spring but is now current. In July, her mortgage servicer agreed to temporarily lower her interest rate for six months, and the unpaid balance will go into a balloon payment due when the loan is paid off. Like many young families that move to Kenilworth, Ms. Kobor and her husband were drawn by the town's top-rated public elementary school, which is just a few steps from their home, and the tight-knit community of 800 households. Local real-estate agents have told her she'd be lucky to sell the house for the $960,000 that's owed on their jumbo adjustable-rate mortgage. Her lender, Thornburg Mortgage, specialized in prime jumbo loans and filed for protection from creditors under bankruptcy law in March. Unable to sell his home in nearby Winnetka, Ill., Brad Davis, a 43-year-old attorney, has commuted to Washington, D.C., for the past year after taking a new job there. He recently cut the asking price on his four-bedroom brick Tudor by $100,000 to around $1.4 million after it didn't draw any offers in eight months on the market. Most potential buyers have a big obstacle: They would first have to find buyers for their own homes. "You're not sure if it's a price issue or if there just aren't any buyers," says Mr. Davis, a father of two young children. While he says he doesn't mind the long commute, "not being able to come home every night is the hard part." Others have pulled their million-dollar homes off the market and are offering them as rentals. Susan Forney rented her six-bedroom Georgian colonial in Northfield, Ill., for $7,500 a month after it didn't sell. Over the past two years, she reduced the price by $1 million to $2.25 million, but her only offer came in at $1.6 million, about $100,000 less than she paid for the house in 1999. Ms. Kobor says it is ironic that two of the most powerful men in the country know of these problems first hand. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner decided to rent out his Larchmont, N.Y., home after it failed to sell and President Obama purchased a $1.65 million Chicago home with a $1.3 million jumbo mortgage in 2005, at the height of the real-estate bubble. The property is now worth $1.2 million, according to an estimate by Zillow. The Treasury Department and the White House declined to comment. [less]
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Could be fairly important here.
Remember that while the overall market moved 20-25% or so down in Manhattan, 2 and 3 bedrooms declined in the 30-40% range.
I'd like to pontificate on one point.
When will it be that 1 bdrm $500K unit buyers in the last 6 months, regret their decision bc a $1MM 2bdrm units get papered at $600K in 1 yr?
I'm sure you're right, w67th, it's just that that kind of downward price pressure will take a bit of time.
A freeze in the high end market will eventually push moderate prices downward, but it will happen slowly, slowly.
$600k 2 bedrooms? in your dreams!
and $750k, as the article states, is NOT high end in Manhattan. I think Jon Miller defines high end as $3 million +.
I gotz hummus and 14 virgins in my dreamz... $600K 2bdrm... no problemo in NYC.... spellz doom for PowerHouse...
go do your homework I gave you alpie..
$600k two bedrooms in our dreams? No, in 2000, and again in 2010.
alpie, high end in manhattan is a moving target. moving down.
Look, you can probably find a small, crappy 2 BR in NYC right now for $600k if you aren't picky about location. But, if you think that you are going to get a 1200 sf 2 BR in GV or on the UES right by CP for $600k, I think you will be holding your breath for some time.
waverly, in 2000 you didn't get a two bedroom right by CP. but you certainly could get one on WEA, or even RSD. and Gramercy. and MH. many people would be happy with those locations, if they came with a $600k two bedroom.
yo ar
and 2 bedrooms with 2 bathrooms will NEVER be $600k. Mark my words. In co-op village, you can buy a 2 bedroom for $600k. But it is only 950 square feet, no dining area whatsoever, and only 1 bathroom... plus high flip taxes.
w67thstreet
yo ar
Yo Adrian!
low-life
shrimpypigs, you, of course, epitomize high class. sure. right.
yo, w67th.
alpie, i was talking about 2/2s. co-op village sucks, and their asking prices are aspirational beyond belief. in 2002ish I saw a combo 4/2 there for $800k. 1800+ sf.
yo again ar.
LMAO Sly one of my favs and the reason I started lifting weights... I bench 285lbs( but I don't concern myself w/ upper body, thats' for show-offs like yourself shrimpie).
Take notes, w/ my new 3GS iphone... I am on SE 24/7... you gotz to keep up... I've peeed on all the threads today... it's gonna take alot of your pee to extinguish in scent... come on drink some cheap schiltz beer... I've found they go thru me like... cheap beer....
Take notes, w/ my new 3GS iphone... I am on SE 24/7... you gotz to keep up... I've peeed on all the threads today... it's gonna take alot of your pee to extinguish in scent... come on drink some cheap schiltz beer... I've found they go thru me like... cheap beer....
Have you considered doing the count to ten "time out" before pressing Reply? Something your wife (the medical doctor) might have taught the kids?
I've outed myself to people on this board and my wife thinks... it keeps me from punching our RE broker neighbor... so post on baby... post on : )
Oh, DILDO.
Your neighbor is a broker.
And you are in commercial real estate for a living.
Interesting how you feel superior.
What next, your neighbor has a Rolex Daytona but not in your color?
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Geithner Heads to Private Equity
Former Treasury Secretary Is Joining Warburg Pincus
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304243904579200323813063730
By Ryan Dezember connect
Nov. 16, 2013 12:05 a.m. ET
Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, one of the architects of the federal government's rescue of the financial system, is joining private-equity firm Warburg Pincus LLC.
Mr. Geithner, who has spent most of his career outside the private sector, said in an interview he plans to start in March at the New York-based firm, known for its role in buyouts of companies including eye-care firm Bausch & Lomb Inc., luxury retailer Neiman Marcus Group Inc. and stadium concessionaire Aramark Corp.
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Former Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is joining Warburg Pincus. Bloomberg News
Mr. Geithner has been credited with helping to slow the momentum of the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, but also has been criticized as too soft on Wall Street banks at the time. He has said he did what he felt was best for the economy and financial markets, and that he views the 2010 Dodd Frank financial law, in which he had a strong hand, as an antidote to risk-taking on Wall Street.
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At Warburg, he will serve as president and managing director, not the kind of figurehead or advisory positions that public-sector figures often land after government stints. Mr. Geithner, 52 years old, is expected to work on mapping the firm's strategy and management, investor relations and on matters related to the firm's investments.
"When they approached me, they clearly wanted me to play a substantive role in helping them manage the firm," he said. Citing the firm's global reach and "low-key" nature, he said Warburg is "culturally very compatible with what I was looking for."
Warburg Co-Chief Executive Charles Kaye said Mr. Geithner will be "absolutely a full-time member of the partnership. He will very much be here every day." Mr. Geithner will report directly to the co-CEOs.
The former Treasury secretary will join a long line of public servants going into private equity after government service.
Earlier this year, KKR KKR -0.13% & Co. tapped David Petraeus, the former general and
Central Intelligence Agency chief, to lead an internal team focused on macroeconomic forecasting and public policy. Former Vice President Dan Quayle and former Treasury Secretary John Snow work for Cerberus Capital Management LP. Carlyle Group LP has enlisted many officials from the Bush and Clinton administrations, including former Secretary of State James Baker III, in advisory roles.
Executives at private-equity firms pool their money alongside institutional investors such as pension funds and wealthy individuals, then buy companies or pieces of them. The deals are typically done with borrowed money, which can enhance returns, but also can burden companies with debt. The investors aim to resell companies for a profit.
Fund executives can accumulate substantial wealth if the investments perform well. Closely held Warburg Pincus declined to discuss Mr. Geithner's compensation, but it said he would be a partner and invest in its funds.
In the 1970s, Warburg was one of the first buyout funds to raise outside money, and has long ranked as one of the largest. Lately it has been eclipsed in size by rivals including KKR and Blackstone Group BX -0.04% LP, which have expanded into real estate, hedge
funds and other businesses as they've gone public. Warburg remains a private firm focused on taking over or taking stakes in companies.
Mr. Geithner, who has two young-adult children, lives just north of New York City in suburban Larchmont. A Manhattan native who spent many of his formative years living abroad, Mr. Geithner and his wife bought their home when he was president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2009. They moved back when he left Treasury in January, after four years.
Mr. Geithner has long considered a career in investing once his days in Washington ended. He has been reluctant to take a job with any banks, which he once regulated, and views private-equity firms and other investment managers as different from the institutions he oversaw as New York Fed chief.
Mr. Geithner had been weighing job options while writing an account of the financial crisis, due out next year.
In August, Mr. Kaye and Joseph Landy, Warburg's other co-chief executive, reached out to Mr. Geithner through a mutual acquaintance. A series of meetings at Warburg's Lexington Avenue headquarters and Manhattan restaurants followed, Mr. Landy said.
The Warburg job will be Mr. Geithner's first private-sector position since he worked early in his career for Kissinger Associates Inc., the consulting firm founded by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
For most of his career he has focused on public policy, including during a stint with International Monetary Fund. At the New York Fed and later at Treasury, Mr. Geithner was a key economic adviser to President Barack Obama and helped design the government's response to the financial crisis, including programs to help rescue large institutions such as American International Group Inc. AIG -0.02% He faced sharp criticism over his role in
allowing bonus payments to employees of AIG.
While at Treasury, Mr. Geithner designed several programs that relied on private-sector help to restart moribund financial markets. Those programs wound up reaping the U.S. Treasury—and the private-sector firms that participated in them—substantial profits.
Mr. Geithner has often said the Dodd-Frank law, which sought to rein in big banks and other financial institutions by bringing them under tougher oversight and regulation, would prevent much of the excessive risk taking that led to the financial crisis.
He also has staked out positions at odds with Wall Street, including agitating to raise taxes on private-equity and other firms' share of deal profits, known as "carried interest." That tax rate hasn't been increased. At Warburg, he will be a beneficiary of the lower tax rate on investment profits.
Mr. Geithner declined Friday to discuss carried interest taxation or any other policy issues. "I made a judgment when I left Washington I was going to leave these questions to my successors, and I'm going to stay true to that," he said.
Since leaving Treasury, Mr. Geithner hit the speaking circuit, fetching big fees to speak at corporate events, including Warburg's annual meeting in May.
—Deborah Solomon contributed to this article.
Write to Ryan Dezember at ryan.dezember@wsj.com
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