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WSJ: High-End Homes Frozen Out of Budding Housing Rebound

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KENILWORTH, Ill. -- Housing is fast dividing into two markets: Sales of low- and moderately priced homes are picking up and values have stopped falling in some parts of the nation. But on the upper end, sales remain mired in a deep slump and price declines are expected to accelerate. Signs of the divide are visible across the country, including in suburban Chicago. In middle-class Schaumburg,... [more]
Response by nyc10022
over 16 years ago
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Could be fairly important here.

Remember that while the overall market moved 20-25% or so down in Manhattan, 2 and 3 bedrooms declined in the 30-40% range.

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Response by w67thstreet
over 16 years ago
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I'd like to pontificate on one point.

When will it be that 1 bdrm $500K unit buyers in the last 6 months, regret their decision bc a $1MM 2bdrm units get papered at $600K in 1 yr?

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Response by GraffitiGrammarian
over 16 years ago
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I'm sure you're right, w67th, it's just that that kind of downward price pressure will take a bit of time.

A freeze in the high end market will eventually push moderate prices downward, but it will happen slowly, slowly.

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Response by The_President
over 16 years ago
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$600k 2 bedrooms? in your dreams!

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Response by The_President
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and $750k, as the article states, is NOT high end in Manhattan. I think Jon Miller defines high end as $3 million +.

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Response by w67thstreet
over 16 years ago
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I gotz hummus and 14 virgins in my dreamz... $600K 2bdrm... no problemo in NYC.... spellz doom for PowerHouse...

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Response by w67thstreet
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go do your homework I gave you alpie..

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Response by aboutready
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$600k two bedrooms in our dreams? No, in 2000, and again in 2010.

alpie, high end in manhattan is a moving target. moving down.

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Response by waverly
over 16 years ago
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Look, you can probably find a small, crappy 2 BR in NYC right now for $600k if you aren't picky about location. But, if you think that you are going to get a 1200 sf 2 BR in GV or on the UES right by CP for $600k, I think you will be holding your breath for some time.

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Response by aboutready
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waverly, in 2000 you didn't get a two bedroom right by CP. but you certainly could get one on WEA, or even RSD. and Gramercy. and MH. many people would be happy with those locations, if they came with a $600k two bedroom.

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Response by w67thstreet
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yo ar

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Response by The_President
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and 2 bedrooms with 2 bathrooms will NEVER be $600k. Mark my words. In co-op village, you can buy a 2 bedroom for $600k. But it is only 950 square feet, no dining area whatsoever, and only 1 bathroom... plus high flip taxes.

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Response by nopigsorshrimp
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w67thstreet
yo ar
Yo Adrian!

low-life

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Response by aboutready
over 16 years ago
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shrimpypigs, you, of course, epitomize high class. sure. right.

yo, w67th.

alpie, i was talking about 2/2s. co-op village sucks, and their asking prices are aspirational beyond belief. in 2002ish I saw a combo 4/2 there for $800k. 1800+ sf.

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Response by w67thstreet
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yo again ar.

LMAO Sly one of my favs and the reason I started lifting weights... I bench 285lbs( but I don't concern myself w/ upper body, thats' for show-offs like yourself shrimpie).

Take notes, w/ my new 3GS iphone... I am on SE 24/7... you gotz to keep up... I've peeed on all the threads today... it's gonna take alot of your pee to extinguish in scent... come on drink some cheap schiltz beer... I've found they go thru me like... cheap beer....

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Response by nopigsorshrimp
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Take notes, w/ my new 3GS iphone... I am on SE 24/7... you gotz to keep up... I've peeed on all the threads today... it's gonna take alot of your pee to extinguish in scent... come on drink some cheap schiltz beer... I've found they go thru me like... cheap beer....

Have you considered doing the count to ten "time out" before pressing Reply? Something your wife (the medical doctor) might have taught the kids?

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Response by w67thstreet
over 16 years ago
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I've outed myself to people on this board and my wife thinks... it keeps me from punching our RE broker neighbor... so post on baby... post on : )

Oh, DILDO.

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Response by nopigsorshrimp
over 16 years ago
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Your neighbor is a broker.

And you are in commercial real estate for a living.

Interesting how you feel superior.

What next, your neighbor has a Rolex Daytona but not in your color?

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Response by fieldschester
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Geithner Heads to Private Equity
Former Treasury Secretary Is Joining Warburg Pincus
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304243904579200323813063730
By Ryan Dezember connect
Nov. 16, 2013 12:05 a.m. ET

Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, one of the architects of the federal government's rescue of the financial system, is joining private-equity firm Warburg Pincus LLC.

Mr. Geithner, who has spent most of his career outside the private sector, said in an interview he plans to start in March at the New York-based firm, known for its role in buyouts of companies including eye-care firm Bausch & Lomb Inc., luxury retailer Neiman Marcus Group Inc. and stadium concessionaire Aramark Corp.
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Former Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is joining Warburg Pincus. Bloomberg News

Mr. Geithner has been credited with helping to slow the momentum of the financial crisis in 2008 and 2009, but also has been criticized as too soft on Wall Street banks at the time. He has said he did what he felt was best for the economy and financial markets, and that he views the 2010 Dodd Frank financial law, in which he had a strong hand, as an antidote to risk-taking on Wall Street.
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At Warburg, he will serve as president and managing director, not the kind of figurehead or advisory positions that public-sector figures often land after government stints. Mr. Geithner, 52 years old, is expected to work on mapping the firm's strategy and management, investor relations and on matters related to the firm's investments.

"When they approached me, they clearly wanted me to play a substantive role in helping them manage the firm," he said. Citing the firm's global reach and "low-key" nature, he said Warburg is "culturally very compatible with what I was looking for."

Warburg Co-Chief Executive Charles Kaye said Mr. Geithner will be "absolutely a full-time member of the partnership. He will very much be here every day." Mr. Geithner will report directly to the co-CEOs.

The former Treasury secretary will join a long line of public servants going into private equity after government service.

Earlier this year, KKR KKR -0.13% & Co. tapped David Petraeus, the former general and
Central Intelligence Agency chief, to lead an internal team focused on macroeconomic forecasting and public policy. Former Vice President Dan Quayle and former Treasury Secretary John Snow work for Cerberus Capital Management LP. Carlyle Group LP has enlisted many officials from the Bush and Clinton administrations, including former Secretary of State James Baker III, in advisory roles.

Executives at private-equity firms pool their money alongside institutional investors such as pension funds and wealthy individuals, then buy companies or pieces of them. The deals are typically done with borrowed money, which can enhance returns, but also can burden companies with debt. The investors aim to resell companies for a profit.

Fund executives can accumulate substantial wealth if the investments perform well. Closely held Warburg Pincus declined to discuss Mr. Geithner's compensation, but it said he would be a partner and invest in its funds.

In the 1970s, Warburg was one of the first buyout funds to raise outside money, and has long ranked as one of the largest. Lately it has been eclipsed in size by rivals including KKR and Blackstone Group BX -0.04% LP, which have expanded into real estate, hedge
funds and other businesses as they've gone public. Warburg remains a private firm focused on taking over or taking stakes in companies.

Mr. Geithner, who has two young-adult children, lives just north of New York City in suburban Larchmont. A Manhattan native who spent many of his formative years living abroad, Mr. Geithner and his wife bought their home when he was president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2009. They moved back when he left Treasury in January, after four years.

Mr. Geithner has long considered a career in investing once his days in Washington ended. He has been reluctant to take a job with any banks, which he once regulated, and views private-equity firms and other investment managers as different from the institutions he oversaw as New York Fed chief.

Mr. Geithner had been weighing job options while writing an account of the financial crisis, due out next year.

In August, Mr. Kaye and Joseph Landy, Warburg's other co-chief executive, reached out to Mr. Geithner through a mutual acquaintance. A series of meetings at Warburg's Lexington Avenue headquarters and Manhattan restaurants followed, Mr. Landy said.

The Warburg job will be Mr. Geithner's first private-sector position since he worked early in his career for Kissinger Associates Inc., the consulting firm founded by former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

For most of his career he has focused on public policy, including during a stint with International Monetary Fund. At the New York Fed and later at Treasury, Mr. Geithner was a key economic adviser to President Barack Obama and helped design the government's response to the financial crisis, including programs to help rescue large institutions such as American International Group Inc. AIG -0.02% He faced sharp criticism over his role in
allowing bonus payments to employees of AIG.

While at Treasury, Mr. Geithner designed several programs that relied on private-sector help to restart moribund financial markets. Those programs wound up reaping the U.S. Treasury—and the private-sector firms that participated in them—substantial profits.

Mr. Geithner has often said the Dodd-Frank law, which sought to rein in big banks and other financial institutions by bringing them under tougher oversight and regulation, would prevent much of the excessive risk taking that led to the financial crisis.

He also has staked out positions at odds with Wall Street, including agitating to raise taxes on private-equity and other firms' share of deal profits, known as "carried interest." That tax rate hasn't been increased. At Warburg, he will be a beneficiary of the lower tax rate on investment profits.

Mr. Geithner declined Friday to discuss carried interest taxation or any other policy issues. "I made a judgment when I left Washington I was going to leave these questions to my successors, and I'm going to stay true to that," he said.

Since leaving Treasury, Mr. Geithner hit the speaking circuit, fetching big fees to speak at corporate events, including Warburg's annual meeting in May.

—Deborah Solomon contributed to this article.

Write to Ryan Dezember at ryan.dezember@wsj.com

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Response by w67thstreet
over 12 years ago
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Forz... realz? NO shit! thanks for the post field hamster

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