Food Stamp Abuse- disgusting!

NYCROBOT,
I agree,
I also only gave MY impression of someone I know that is abusing the system to the hilt!!

This is not a NEEDY person who truly has had back luck and needs help....this is a person who lived her life as a multi millionaire and spent all her money and never PAID TAXES!!

She must have put on some act to get all the aid she's getting....and was cunning enough not to use one of her many LV (real ones) handbags while visiting social services. She could have sold the handbags and lived off those for a while...vintage LV can sell for quite a bit.

Her only annoyance "having to wait on line with all the blacks"!!!!

By the way, NO ONE had ever visited her home to see how and where she lives.....shocking!!!!

Anyone that has any problems with this posting...don't tell me that there aren't more scammers out there like this one.

I am very happy to pay higher taxes for the truly needy in society but not for the moochers!!!

CTM you are embarassing yourself. "show us some evidence that backs up your claim". Again with this! Hey CTM, show us some evidence that backs up your claim that you like McDonalds more than Burger King. And show us some evidence that backs up your claim that blue is your favorite color.

I don't need to back up anything! I saw a woman pay for steak and shrimp with food stamps and it annoyed me. This is scamming the system! Period end of sentence. Do I need to prove that it was steak and shrimp she was buying? Do I need to prove she used a food stamp card? No, this may not be outright fraud, like as in she's using someone else's card. But it is still scamming because the system wasn't set up so she could eat surf and turf, it was set up so she could buy bread and milk and other staples, not eat like she made good money.

This is abuse plain and simple presuming you are telling the truth of what you saw. There will always be apologists. Food stamps are to eliminate hunger, not provide for luxury. The person should still be hungry enough and embarassed enough to dig himself out of this situation by learning English, dressing with respect, and finding employment. Tons of hardworking immigrants want that, those who don't have no place here.

i guess you'd be ok with them starving until they learned english? that might slow down the process. and wtf about the dressing with respect? go back to your cave, complete with cudgel.

My parents came from Laos and my parents are too old fashioned to have taken food stamps. I'm second generation and my parents had a strong work ethic and taught me and my sister well. I definitely don't support food stamps for anything longer than a few months. People who use them should use them only in desperate situations until they can get back on their feet quickly.

but did your parents come to the US when over a million previously employed people were expected to run out of emergency unemployment funds? people are finding themselves unemployed for over a year, and those are people who HAD a job to begin with.

how many people are now in desperate situations, and more to the point that we have been discussing how the f do you know who is who and why do you care in the grocery check out line? or in your recreation room, when you have no f'ng clue if the guy who looks like a deadbeat is collecting who knows what or has someone else in the apartment making money.

assumptions suck.

I didn't assume anything. I stated my opinion about a policy.

It wouldn't matter what the person was wearing if we limited the benefits only to allow for survival, not comfort.

Also that so many current Americans are unemployed speaks against allowing for more immigrants right now. When employment is hot, then the situation should be different for immigrants.

Immigrants who believe that the America is a land of freely flowing milk and honey are in for a shock. And they should be.

America can't solve everyone's problems. Especially if the work ethic of its newest members is to go and seek someone else to feed, house and clothe them.

how simplistic. you do realize what population rates have to do with consumption, i presume?

japan here we come!!! (except of course their benefits allow for much more than survival, as do most other civilized countries).

and, once again, when did your parents come and under your criteria would they and you be welcome now?

My parents had and have skills that are in demand in the United States. However, my parents might not be welcome today. And that would be the breaks. It would be unfortunate for us personally, but we weren't entitled to anything. And as far as their character is converned, my parent's wouldn't have come here if they felt they'd have to be beggars.

America can't solve everyone's problems throughout the world.

What is simplistic is assuming we have unlimited resources and unlimited money to take care of everyone.

actually, what i was trying to get across is that without more consumers our businesses will go overseas to get their profits. think about it.

WHAT?? If the people who come here have no money to consume, how does this solve the problem you suggest?

By GIVING them money to consume? Are you serious? That's crazy talk.

omg, you have zero knowledge of how consumption works. think about it. do we really want to be a society were walmart is the earnings leader?

OMG? I thought I was actually arguing with someone older than me who might have some education.

So your idea is that American citizens collectively should borrow money to PAY immigrants who have no money and have no job skills to consume goods that we produce for them, so that our economy is active?

Is there some sort of Laffer type curve behind this theory of yours that says that there is an optimal amount of uselessness that this country should support?

I think I've been sucked into one of those fake discussions with a person who just argues for fun on a blog.

aboutready: you are out of your league. We WILL be a society where walmart is the earnings leader if we keep importing millions of uneducated immigrants who at best can only be cogs in the service industry. The food stamps and other welfare programs facilitate the development of an underclass of immigrants and other uneducated people who can only function in the service industry. These people can only hope to be walmart shoppers at best. This doesn't create wealth in our country.

We need people coming here who are engineers and scientists and educated workers who can work in jobs where we are producing novel technologies and products that the world wants to buy. These kind of jobs pay more and create more high-end consumers who lift the standard of living. This is the only way to grow and prosper in the long run.

We don't need more secretaries and paper pushers and customer service representatives and bank tellers, etc. These jobs are needed in some number yes, but we can't have a society comprised of only these kind of jobs.

that's hilarious. you came onto this site expecting high level intellectual discourse? i'm most likely older than you and collectively we have many ivy degrees in the family, but who cares?

and you're disappointed on a food stamp thread?

robot, sorry, but india and china are doing those things much more cheaply than we can. much more cheaply.

we've already lost.

"We don't need more secretaries and paper pushers and customer service representatives and bank tellers, etc. These jobs are needed in some number yes, but we can't have a society comprised of only these kind of jobs. "

what do you do for living?

WIC program is widely abused by Fuzhou Chinese women in New York.
Tons of Fuzhou Chinese women smuggle into US, get pregnant and apply for political asylum.
WIC program is for everyone with low income, legal and illegal aliens, except the hardworking US middle class.

WIC program is widely abused by Fuzhou Chinese women in New York.
Tons of Fuzhou Chinese women smuggle into US, get pregnant and apply for political asylum.
WIC program is for everyone with low income, legal and illegal aliens, except the hardworking US middle class.

admin: sorry, no details about what I do for a living, but I can safely say it is an "in-demand" job that enjoys complete job security right now.

but you can't afford chuck? or steak and shrimps?

newby, read it and weep at your ignorance.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm

Joe the Plumber is a welfare queen too...

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/joe-plumber-welfare-queen-too

... starring the same reptilian slicing-and-dicing of facts, factoids and fiction used to create OP's own us vs. them rationalizations!!!

"admin: sorry, no details about what I do for a living, but I can safely say it is an "in-demand" job that enjoys complete job security right now."

boy... you work for the government?

car repair?

sanitation worker or subway token clerk.

undercover benefits spy or a "secret shopper"

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE55270Y20090603

USDA says 1 in 9 Americans on Food Stamps

They need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

B_Stone - any idea how many of them buy steak and shrimps?

"USDA says 1 in 9 Americans on Food Stamps"

that proves it's a popular program. i didn't want to add to the fire but this is too funny to pass. saw a casino in the midwest with a sign on the entrance saying "we don't accept food stamps". let's not judge, if the gambler gets lucky instead of 1 steak he could walk away with 2. in wall street that's call "investment".

If the gambler really gets lucky -- on a high-odds wager -- he can buy bootstraps.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2013/06/ny-mayor-rivals-anthony-weiner-and-john-liu-cut-spending-to-food-stamp-subsist

3 years ago 1 in 9 were on food stamps...today, its 1 in 7.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/05/03/about-1-in-7-americans-receive-food-stamps/

http://www.equalvoiceforfamilies.org/senate-oks-cuts-to-food-stamps-used-by-1-in-7-americans/

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/10/12/us/ap-us-food-stamps-outage.html?hp&_r=0

A loft of people also defraud the Medicaid system and are on Medicaid but don't need to be. Same with Social Security Disability, Section 8 etc.

All of these programs will likely be expanded under DeBlasio

First off cookies, chips and soda ice cream and cake should not qualify for food stamps. Not only does it end an abuse, it cuts health care costs too.

What about cream cheese?

@Riversider. While I agree that no ones diet should be all sweets. I don't think its fair to punish people for being poor by denying them treats. The poor take enough punishment in our society and in most cases, poverty is not the fault of the individual. Not to mention the fact that in a recessive economy people who have worked hard all their lives and even managed to save significant sums (enough to last several years without income) can find themselves being the beneficiaries of charitable and government services. Yes, people you know may have actually been forced to (quietly) accept food stamps.

And while we are the subject of what's covered on food stamps. I always found it rather ridiculous that you can buy filet mignon or lobster on food stamps but not toilet paper. Please tell me which is more essential to maintain health?

Btw, years ago when I was a supermarket checker in high school, you couldn't buy soda (or anything taxable--see toilet paper above--on food stamps). You also couldn't buy any imported foods. That might be something we reconsider if it can be balanced by reducing subsidies to corporate agriculture (you know the people in red states who bitch about government benefits but rake in the subsides for generations).

@ Native. It's not punishment, but ensuring the money goes for the intended purpose and ensuring those same dollars don't wind up as future medical bills borne by the tax payer. Who konws, if cheetos were taken off the approved list of EBT purchases, those same dollars might go toward the purchases of peaches, broccoli or salmon.

Or steak or shrimp or lobster or oysters.

But will happen to the poor family corn farmers in Iowa, living next to the big red barn with chickens and geese and goats and cows and eggs hanging around in the barnyard, and the farmer's daughter jokes and the milkmaids?

Why do you hate corn-fed Midwestern farmers so much, greenberg?

Why are you proud to be unAmerican?

VEry good point Riversider....those people on food stamps who eat junk food and sit at home watching tv all day as their cable and electricity is also paid for.....become fat and increase healthcare costs for treatment of their diabetes, etc. I think some medicaid plans also pay for gastric bypass!!!

Native Restless---yes, people with good intentions do end up needing these services.....but there are a lot of people who defraud the system, and proabbly a lot of people who truly need these services, don;t get them.

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogoct13/peak-government10-13.html

Have We Reached Peak Government? (October 2, 2013)

If we are not yet at Peak Debt, we are getting close, and that means we are also getting close to Peak Government.

Have we reached Peak Government? That is, a structural point beyond which government can no longer grow sustainably?

To help answer the question, I've assembled charts of the foundations of growth: population, gross domestic product (GDP), private employment and output per person (i.e. productivity). These have grown 28%, 75%, 28% and 58% respectively. (I have used 1990 as a baseline, as the past 23 years gives us a reasonably accurate clue as to the long-term trendlines of the current economy.)

In other words, if growth depended entirely on population growth, the real (inflation-adjusted) economy would have grown 28% since 1990. Instead, the GDP rose by 75%. This is the result of rising output per person, i.e. an increase in productivity.

Since the state (government) depends on the economy to generate its tax revenues, government cannot grow sustainably at a rate that exceeds the expansion of the economy. Thus we expect government to grow at around the same rate as the economy and productivity, i.e. around 60% to 75%.

But Federal government expenditures have risen by 317% and state/local government spending has leaped by 328% since 1990. In other words, government has expanded at roughly four or five times the underlying growth rate of the economy.

oh riversider oh riversider

how good is it for you?

you found someone who agrees with you about those people

time to break out the creamy cheese

celebrate, riversider

Celebrate with cream cheese c0lumbiac0unty? You are one sick puppy C0C0. One sick puppy

Great. So RS posted an article that has only tangential relevance at best. Yes, you like Rand, we know that.

scared, I can see why you are. Your comments are consistently ignorant and are full of fear-mongering.

FLMAOZ, you are accusing someone else of fear mongering?

Yes.

FLMAOz

Walmart Says Food Stamp Shopping Spree Was 'Right Choice'
Oct. 15, 2013
Springhill Police Chief Will Lynd said some customers were buying eight to ten grocery carts full of food.

The food shelves were left bare and all the meat was sold as well, Lynd said.

The shopping frenzy was triggered when the Electronic Benefits Transfer system went down because a back-up generator failed at 11 a.m. EST Saturday during a regularly-scheduled test, according to Xerox, a vendor for the EBT system and based in Norwalk, Conn. The outage erased limits on the EBT cards.

The EBT system was affected in 17 states, where individuals and households access programs like Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and other programs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walmart-food-stamp-shopping-spree-choice/story?id=20579980

lazy good-for-nothing poor caused financial crisis of 2008.

so big woop they lost their jobs and have hungry children.

scammers! fraudsters!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-15/mcdonalds-low-wages-come-with-a-7-billion-side-of-welfare

corporate welfare cheats! This just the fast-food industry. Walmart, our nations largesse-t employer, has been a wefore queen for years. It's key to their model. Without food stamps, their malnourished workers would be ill on the floors of their stores.

Why is this OK?

What do you propose? And why do you hate elementary school teachers but are so pro-WMT employee?

hfscomm1

have you won?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obese-florida-man-george-jolicoeur-avoids-jail-fat-article-1.164923

Real estate?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-economy.html

The original 'welfare queen':

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html#section-2