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What exactly is a "recorded" sale?

Started by sisyphus
over 16 years ago
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Seems that not that many sales show up here. Does that mean that many are not "recorded". What exactly does it mean? How long does it take for a sale to be recorded?
Response by NWT
over 16 years ago
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The city needs to know who owns real estate in order to collect taxes. Anyone looking to buy real estate needs that same information. "Recording" means that the transaction has been filed with the city. It then becomes a public record. SE then picks up the data from the city and merges it with its listing info.

What kind of sales are you missing? Both SE and ACRIS are showing about 40-50 co-op closing per week lately.

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Response by ph41
over 16 years ago
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sometimes Property Shark has closings that SE somehow missed

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Response by sisyphus
over 16 years ago
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So you're saying that every single sale shows up as recorded? How long after closing does it take to show?

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Response by NWT
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Yes, every sale. Do a wiki on conveyancing and land registration.

Sales usually hit ACRIS, and are then picked up by SE and others, within about a week after closing.

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Response by sisyphus
over 16 years ago
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Is a "satisfaction of mortgage" the same as a sale?

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Response by NWT
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No, it goes along with the sale. When you borrow, the lender files a UCC1 to record its interest. (There're lots of other documents that may not be filed.) Then when you sell and pay off the mortgage, the lender files a UCC3 termination. That way, someone doing a title search can tell who owns, who's lent againt it, etc.

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Response by sisyphus
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what if it is an all-cash deal?

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Response by NWT
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If all-cash, then no mortgage to record. Makes things much simpler.

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Response by ph41
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but still. shows up on the property records

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Response by NWT
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Yes, the sale itself is recorded. That's why I said "no mortgage to record" rather than "nothing to record."

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
over 16 years ago
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We're mixing a lot of Coop versus Real Estate terminology here, and they aren't totally interchangeable.

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Response by tenemental
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Thanks NWT & 30yrs, and please continue here if so inclined. I'd love to have a better understanding of this, co-op and otherwise.

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Response by sisyphus
over 16 years ago
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When you say Coop vs RE does that mean different types of properties are recorded differently?

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Response by NWT
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For a condo, house, or land -- i.e. real real estate -- the deed is recorded.

A co-op isn't real estate, but rather shares in a corporation which either owns or leases real estate. For a co-op sale, then, there is no deed to be recorded. Instead, the city records the document which details the NYS Real Estate Transfer Tax and NYC Real Property Transfer Tax paid when the shares changed hands.

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Response by 30yrs_RE_20_in_REO
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Also you don't have mortgages on Coops, you have share loans, which are personal loans, and you records UCC docs (Uniform Commercial Code), like a UCC-1 for initiating a loan (like a mortgage recording) or a UCC-3 for termination of the indebtedness. But the filing requirements are different (for example, UCC docs should be renewed every 5 years) and the way you can repossess the property is (usually) different (a State Supreme Court case for RE/foreclosure vs a non-judicial UCC sale). The priority of liens is very different for these different classes.

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