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Harvard, NYU Law Students Left Hanging as Firms Slash Offers 2009-09-23 04:01:01.8 GMT By Cynthia Cotts Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Many students entering their final year at top law schools including Harvard and New York University haven’t landed the full-time jobs they would normally have claimed by now, firms and school officials said, a reflection of the shrinking demand for legal services. The... [more]
Harvard, NYU Law Students Left Hanging as Firms Slash Offers 2009-09-23 04:01:01.8 GMT By Cynthia Cotts Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Many students entering their final year at top law schools including Harvard and New York University haven’t landed the full-time jobs they would normally have claimed by now, firms and school officials said, a reflection of the shrinking demand for legal services. The stark reality of the legal marketplace was illustrated by yesterday’s 2010 job offers by Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, the highest-grossing U.S. law firm. It projected a 50 percent cut in summer hiring, said Howard Ellin, the recruiting partner for Skadden. The firm hired 225 students this summer and plans to hire less than half that for summer 2010. The number of first-round interviews for second- and third- year Harvard Law School students fell 20 percent this year, Mark Weber, assistant dean for career services, wrote in an e-mail, adding that it’s too early to predict how many will get second interviews. At NYU, interviews plunged this school year compared with last, with callbacks for second interviews dropping “dramatically,” said Irene Dorzback, dean of career services. “When I was at NYU 10 years ago, top-performing students got an average of 25 callbacks,” Jonathan Cole, a senior associate at Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, said in an interview last week on the Greenwich Village campus. “Today, they’re lucky if they get 10.” When it comes to getting a job, he said, “no one is taking anything for granted.” Traditionally Hire A law degree typically takes three years to obtain. Law firms traditionally hire students for summer internships after their second year of school, then offer them jobs beginning after graduation the following year. Large U.S. firms are delaying start dates for 2009 and 2010 graduates, and hiring fewer students for next summer and beyond. The job crunch is likely to affect the class of 2011 as well, said James Leipold, executive director of the Association for Legal Career Professionals. “We expect to see more students taking non-legal jobs in industry,” Leipold said in an interview. “We expect to see more students taking jobs at small and medium-sized law firms or launching solo practices right out of law school.” The collapse last year of San Francisco-based Thelen and Heller Ehrman LLP, as well as New York-based Thacher Proffitt & Wood, is contributing to the drop in recruiting, Dorzback said. In July, San Francisco-based Orrick and Philadelphia-based Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP canceled plans to hire law students next summer, citing diminished demand for legal services. DLA Piper LLP, the 11th-highest-grossing U.S. law firm, is deferring full-time start dates of first-year associates, originally scheduled for this fall, until January. Year’s Wait This summer’s interns who are offered jobs won’t start for at least a year, in January 2011 or January 2012, according to an internal memo at the firm. When Dorzback learned about the canceled summer programs, she invited Orrick and others to offer job-seeking help to the school’s 500 potential 2010 graduates. Orrick’s Cole said last week that he was busy all day conducting one-on-one mock interviews and career sessions. “These are top students at a top school,” said Cole, of Orrick’s project finance group in New York. “They all have callbacks, but no one is swimming in offers.” While bigger firms are cutting back, some smaller firms haven’t reined in their recruiting. Kasowitz Benson Torres & Friedman LLP, a New York firm with more than 300 attorneys, made offers to all 16 student associates this summer and asked them to start full-time next September, said Aaron Marks, a partner. Highest Revenue Kasowitz Benson, which specializes in complex litigation, reached its highest revenue ever in 2008 and expects 2009 revenue to be the same, managing partner and founder Marc Kasowitz said in an interview. “It feels wonderful” to have a job lined up, Lucienne Pierre, a Kasowitz hire in her third and last year at Cornell University Law School, wrote in an e-mail. At Cornell, in Ithaca, New York, many third-year students’ plans remain up in the air, according to Pierre. They either didn’t receive job offers from the firms where they worked over the summer, the firms haven’t made offers or the offers came with deferred start dates. As a result, she said, many are looking for clerkships and public-interest jobs. Leo Rakitin, a second-year law student at NYU, is still looking for a summer job for next year. “I’m keeping an open mind,” Rakitin said last week when he showed up for a practice interview with Cole. 110-Lawyer Firm Rakitin worked this summer at Davis & Gilbert LLP, a 110- attorney New York firm that represents clients in marketing, advertising and media. The firm’s summer class consists of about two-thirds first-year law students and one-third second-year students. It makes full-time job offers to the latter at the end of the summer, and asks its first-year students to work elsewhere after their second year, said Michael Lasky, litigation co-chairman at Davis & Gilbert. “We have not had to cut back on our summer program or our on-campus interviews,” Lasky said in an interview. “If you are strategically focused, you can do a lot of good things and prove yourself to be recession-immune.” [less]
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kind of harsh.
http://abovethelaw.com/2009/09/summer_associates_get_over_yourselves.php
Times have changed, kids. In 2006, bright law students were hot and desirable; all the firms wanted to get into bed with them. Law students today, however, are like single women over 35. They’re desperate — and firms are warier of committing to them.
very harsh since so many of its readers are single women over 35 who have not had time to date.
"have not had time to date"
are you serious? if there's no time for the fun part of life, what do they have time for?
the main reason the firms have had to do this is because so many productus from the street either dont exist anymore or volume is negligible. but hey the stock markets up so Manhattan RE will be fine according to the bulls. or inflatuion is coming so that will save them. this article is reality that manhattan RE is in for more bad times.
securitization will not come back to what it was in 2005-6, imho. i sure hope not at least. if that's what they are wishing for, good luck!
there aren't THAT many women over 35 at most biglaw firms.
bump for the bulls
the quiet bulls...snort?
I certainly agree that certain pracitce areas are changed forever (ex: leveraged finance) and that most firms are not having great years (although I'm sure Weil is doing just fine with 50% of the major BK's going in their door). Regardless, I don't see a fundamental shift in how firms do business going forward or their business model (I do think that there will be some changes). This is a major slow down, for sure, but there was a slow down in 2001. In 2000, there were groups in the city doing IPO's and IP licensing work that has never rebounded and firms ended up just fine. They just ended up doing different things. Law firms evolve. Yes, they are hiring a lot less students now, but that was true in the early part of this decade and from the early to mid 90's. It's a story to write about, but not a new story.
As an aside, I think that the real recruiting issues are at the non top schools. I think that the NYU, etc. students will largely be fine, although they will not have the number of options that they had previosuly (I don't have much sympathy for a student who 2 years ago might have had 5 offers at good firms and now only has 1 or 2). It's the lesser schools where a lot of firms have stopped even interviewing yet. Imagine facing 200k in debt and struggling to find a $60k/year job.
The whole interview based on one years worth of grades for a cush summer job where the finish line was 17 hour work days is nuts.
"Imagine facing 200k in debt and struggling to find a $60k/year job."
lol, many homeowners in this country face this horror (or worse)... but wait... the interest is tax deductible!!!
Perhaps this will encourage only those who are actually interested in studying law to attend law school, rather than those who were only interested in using the J.D. as a lottery ticket.
jojo, in 2001 they eliminated the "extra" bonus. that was it, and it was enough to cause this family financial hardship. my husband started in biglaw in 1994, so his second summer was 1993, he graduated from a state school (not even top-tier state) and that was nothing like this.
and the real issue isn't just recruiting. it's whether the offers will subsequently materialize, and then whether you'll ever start working. their is a real stigma to not receiving an offer. and law firm managements really don't know how to handle it.
there not their, need coffee
Jojo: You are on the right track but what you are failing to consider is scale. IP is and was a relatively small part of the practice in NY. Finance and securitization were monsters. The Bay Area firms, who were much more dependent upon IPOs and IP (and venture financing) have generally not recovered from the dot com crash.
I'm sure they'll all buy condos now. Get in before the stampede. Right, Stevef?