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(BN) Harvard, NYU Law Students Left Hanging as Firms Slash Offers

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Harvard, NYU Law Students Left Hanging as Firms Slash Offers 2009-09-23 04:01:01.8 GMT By Cynthia Cotts Sept. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Many students entering their final year at top law schools including Harvard and New York University haven’t landed the full-time jobs they would normally have claimed by now, firms and school officials said, a reflection of the shrinking demand for legal services. The... [more]
Response by aboutready
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kind of harsh.

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/09/summer_associates_get_over_yourselves.php

Times have changed, kids. In 2006, bright law students were hot and desirable; all the firms wanted to get into bed with them. Law students today, however, are like single women over 35. They’re desperate — and firms are warier of committing to them.

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Response by samadams
almost 17 years ago
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very harsh since so many of its readers are single women over 35 who have not had time to date.

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Response by notadmin
almost 17 years ago
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"have not had time to date"

are you serious? if there's no time for the fun part of life, what do they have time for?

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Response by marco_m
almost 17 years ago
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the main reason the firms have had to do this is because so many productus from the street either dont exist anymore or volume is negligible. but hey the stock markets up so Manhattan RE will be fine according to the bulls. or inflatuion is coming so that will save them. this article is reality that manhattan RE is in for more bad times.

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Response by notadmin
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securitization will not come back to what it was in 2005-6, imho. i sure hope not at least. if that's what they are wishing for, good luck!

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Response by aboutready
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there aren't THAT many women over 35 at most biglaw firms.

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Response by marco_m
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bump for the bulls

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Response by Ubottom
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the quiet bulls...snort?

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Response by jojo10
almost 17 years ago
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I certainly agree that certain pracitce areas are changed forever (ex: leveraged finance) and that most firms are not having great years (although I'm sure Weil is doing just fine with 50% of the major BK's going in their door). Regardless, I don't see a fundamental shift in how firms do business going forward or their business model (I do think that there will be some changes). This is a major slow down, for sure, but there was a slow down in 2001. In 2000, there were groups in the city doing IPO's and IP licensing work that has never rebounded and firms ended up just fine. They just ended up doing different things. Law firms evolve. Yes, they are hiring a lot less students now, but that was true in the early part of this decade and from the early to mid 90's. It's a story to write about, but not a new story.

As an aside, I think that the real recruiting issues are at the non top schools. I think that the NYU, etc. students will largely be fine, although they will not have the number of options that they had previosuly (I don't have much sympathy for a student who 2 years ago might have had 5 offers at good firms and now only has 1 or 2). It's the lesser schools where a lot of firms have stopped even interviewing yet. Imagine facing 200k in debt and struggling to find a $60k/year job.

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Response by UWSer
almost 17 years ago
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The whole interview based on one years worth of grades for a cush summer job where the finish line was 17 hour work days is nuts.

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Response by notadmin
almost 17 years ago
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"Imagine facing 200k in debt and struggling to find a $60k/year job."

lol, many homeowners in this country face this horror (or worse)... but wait... the interest is tax deductible!!!

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Response by NYCMatt
almost 17 years ago
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Perhaps this will encourage only those who are actually interested in studying law to attend law school, rather than those who were only interested in using the J.D. as a lottery ticket.

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Response by aboutready
almost 17 years ago
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jojo, in 2001 they eliminated the "extra" bonus. that was it, and it was enough to cause this family financial hardship. my husband started in biglaw in 1994, so his second summer was 1993, he graduated from a state school (not even top-tier state) and that was nothing like this.

and the real issue isn't just recruiting. it's whether the offers will subsequently materialize, and then whether you'll ever start working. their is a real stigma to not receiving an offer. and law firm managements really don't know how to handle it.

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Response by aboutready
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there not their, need coffee

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Response by malthus
almost 17 years ago
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Jojo: You are on the right track but what you are failing to consider is scale. IP is and was a relatively small part of the practice in NY. Finance and securitization were monsters. The Bay Area firms, who were much more dependent upon IPOs and IP (and venture financing) have generally not recovered from the dot com crash.

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Response by nyc10022
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I'm sure they'll all buy condos now. Get in before the stampede. Right, Stevef?

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