Employers Begin Rehiring the Laid Off:

Do you really mean good for me? Or are you hoping you can butter me up to join your miserable masses?

vornaise, that last comment? shows that you're losing the real argument when you need to resort to such unnecessary venom. my husband comes to all the SE gatherings. many people here know him. believe me, he doesn't find it a chore to be married to me.

and you're obviously a broker. nobody else would care this vehemently about these particular issues.

Let me summarize you by quoting you

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

goodbye. please do come back when you can show an unemployment rate, particularly locally, of less than 8%.

Go play with the cat

Are you counted in the unemployed numbers? Or are you considered not in the workforce?

clever. not. we were talking unemployment here? not animals?

So are you unemployed or not in the workforce?

vornaise, what are you? and why do you care so much where i am? if i'm just a silly bullshit spreader with no credibility why are you wasting so much time on who and what i am when you clearly already know?

believe it or not someone who makes a decent living can care about those who are barely making it. where is your proof that our glorious capitalistic (not) system is creating jobs for the ones being destroyed? really, where? and how horribly nasty of you to imply so. tell the people who need a job that there is a job to replace each one lost.

As if your posting name doesn't tell the whole story, let me summarize you again by quoting you:

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

why do you think that reflects poorly on me? what answers do you have? be happy? ignore reality and we may reflate to another bubble?

what are YOUR answers, other than to assert (without any substance and with obvious falsehood) that things are grand?

ps - what am I - I'm employed and working with both companies that are innovating and growing (as is my company) and companies that are restructuring themselves as is the capitalist way.

As far as someone making a decent living caring about others - count me in. Where do you fit in, without any source of income as an unemployed or not in the workforce Debbie Downer cat chaser.

My answers are continued innovation which is happening out there to anyone who isn't so clinically depressed as to be able to look and see for herself.

Let me guess, your husband's area of legal expertise is in ambulance chasing.

why would it possibly matter to you what i "do"? i fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense. also, i put the husband through law school at a relatively late age and we didn't have enough money until recently for me to further my education.

but you know, you're determined to despise me, so go right ahead. narrow-minded people definitely add nothing to this society.

vornaise, ambulance chaser? that's funny. try international arbitration. and that comment about clinical depression. well you've just lost any and all credibility. i like it when assholes show their true colors. it makes it so much easier to hate them without reservation.

Yes I despise you. Because I posted something positive about what is truly happening in our world and you come on with your depressed bitterness and tell me to keep up and that my assertions are bullshit.

What value do you add? Oh, I forgot, and I must commend you, this is the most innovating way of saying I"m a lazy whore that I've ever seen - you should truly consider doing infomercials or joining your husband's ambulance chasing practice

"i fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense."

Wow, you must have had a lot of time to come up with that one. But despite despising you, I commend you on an amazing amount of creativity there.

Sorry Vornaise, publishing is still laying off:
Recession May Be Over, but Worst Likely Still to Come for Advertising Industry
While Economy Is Growing, More People Are Getting Fired than Hired
http://adage.com/article?article_id=140607

Nov 18 2009 8:43am EDT
100 Layoffs Coming to 'BusinessWeek'
In reporting the news that Bloomberg has tapped Josh Tyrangiel as editor in chief of BusinessWeek, the Wall Street Journal's Shira Ovide adds an unpleasant new fact to the continuing drama surrounding the magazine: 100 layoffs.

Ovide reports that about 25 percent of the magazine's staff will lose their jobs after the McGraw-Hill title moves over to Bloomberg. Current employees have apparently been asked to submit their résumés and short personal statements to Bloomberg representatives, essentially reapplying for the jobs they already have. Not exactly the sort of thing that makes a person feel comfortable about being assimilated into the Borg.

i'm quite happy you despise me. i'd hate to be liked by you. goodbye.

A summary of aboutready, aside from her posting name.

"i fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense."

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

a summary of vornaise's lack of content:

what are YOUR answers, other than to assert (without any substance and with obvious falsehood) that things are grand?

Read my very first post and many of my responses.

i've read each and every one. you're dumb as a brick. but be sure to tell your neighbors when unemployment comes close to 11% that the economy is getting better. they'll thank you for your trenchant analysis.

I don't see my neighbors much. Chalk it to walking up every day and going to work.

A summary of aboutready, aside from her posting name.

"i fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense."

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

how superior of you. and what a great life. no neighborhood. i'm so happy for you. you seem so fulfilled.

so i guess you don't realize what the economy is doing to your neighbors? how delightfully insulated you are.

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

you are such an idiot. what are your answers? trot them out, please oh please. what are your answers to what could realistically be accomplished in terms of job creation?

could you please move beyond your lies and come up with something concrete?

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

you are doing what? accusing me of being honest?

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING JOBS THAT YOU SAID ARE BEING GENERATED TO REPLACE THE OTHERS?

you lie, and you suck.

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

that was fun. but no more. vornaise, you're an idiot of such an extreme level (above petro i think) that i need to let you be you without me.

ciao.
hope everyone you know or will know or care about has gainful employment. except you.

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

"i'm pathetic and there are no solutions to the world which is ending. i'm content to be home all day sulking and playing with the cat"

tough being a broker these days.

as if I am one, but is it harder to not do anything?

I must apologize though, I shouldn't have tried to re-quote you with a fake quote. Nothing beats the defeatism in your actual original quote.

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

what answers do you have to what appears to be intractable unemployment? other than to just wish it away? and to say that it's not a problem?

ok I give in. The world will end and there is no solution. Man, society, our country, and civilization in general will end.

Your cat will outlive you and pee on your corpse and then she will get pregnant and reproduce and her offspring will rule over the last of the declining human race.

There is no way out.

"i have no answers. and sadly, i haven't heard any that resonate."

This has been bothering me - what exactly does this mean? This is so amazingly strange and crypitic.

"i fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense."

Trying to bring this back on theme...
Time runs out for buyout volunteers; layoffs loom
Last Updated: 4:20 AM, November 19, 2009

Posted: 12:22 AM, November 18, 2009

The biggest magazines in the Time Inc. empire — People, Time, Sports Illustrated, Fortune and Money — should find out today how many volunteers have stepped forward to accept buyout packages.

Time Inc. is said to be looking to slash more than 500 jobs from its ranks, with the bulk of the layoffs to happen next week before the process is wrapped up by year-end.

While not all titles outlined how many volunteers they need, sources said that Time Inc.'s biggest magazines could eliminate as many as 90 editorial positions.

Fortune is expected to see the deepest cuts at about 40 positions. However, with just over 20 volunteers having stepped up so far, Managing Editor Andy Serweris widely expected to impose layoffs to make up the short fall.
So far, the highest-ranking person on the masthead to accept a buyout is Deputy Managing Editor Steve Koepp, a 29-year veteran who spent 26 years at Time and the past three at Fortune.

At the Sports Illustrated group, which includes Golf Magazine, the damage was expected to be slightly less severe. Though there were no estimates of how many have volunteered, it's widely expected that Editorial Director Terry McDonell will have to make involuntary cuts to reach the target believed to be around 30 jobs.

Time magazine is looking for only 12 volunteers to accept buyouts, and the early signs are the magazine should meet that goal.

The Associated Press, which has about 4,000 employees worldwide, axed 16 editorial people in New York yesterday as part of a year-end downsizing, sources said.It is estimated that close to 100 editorial positions will be cut globally.

A company spokesman referred to AP President and CEO Tom Curley's statement a year ago that said it was working toward a goal of reducing the AP's global payroll costs by 10 percent in 2009, but declined to discuss the latest round of layoffs.

A hiring freeze has been in ef fect for more than a year and a voluntary-retire ment program with 100 takers was concluded in July.

Insiders were hop ing that would be it, but apparently not."The stress is just awful," said one insider yesterday.New York Bureau Chief Howard Goldbergwas said to be en route to Albany yesterday to make cuts, and sources said a handful of people in the Washington office were given pink slips.

While it has not been hit with the same problems that have battered other media tied closely to advertising, the AP has suffered pain because its cooperative members are hurting.

The AP, whose top line totaled $748 million last year, gets about 42 percent of its revenue from US newspapers and broadcasters. To retain members, the AP lowered its fees for US newspapers by $30 million this year. The AP also is renegotiating deals with Web giants Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft and other providers of news on the Internet.

Mag cuts Mayor Mike Bloombergcompany Bloomberg LP yesterday quietly began the downsizing of BusinessWeek's 400-person staff.
All editorial staffers were being interviewed for new roles at the magazine, and will find out their fate this week.

Ultimately, the majority of the employees are expected to be offered jobs, but it is believed that about three dozen people on the 200-person editorial staff will hear they are not being offered jobs at the new BusinessWeek or the parent company.

Keith J. Kelly - Media InkThe biggest magazines in the Time Inc. empire — People, Time, Sports Illustrated, Fortune and Money — should find out today how many volunteers have stepped forward to accept buyout packages.

Time Inc. is said to be looking to slash more than 500 jobs from its ranks, with the bulk of the layoffs to happen next week before the process is wrapped up by year-end.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/time_runs_out_for_buyout_volunteers_YImiGUxqi3VBlIhR8pXHuK#ixzz0XJAzmTFS

i have a friend who is at fortune. he is not optimistic about his chances.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/markman-go-east-and-south-young-man.aspx

Traditional magazines have been dying for several years now.

Something to do with the Internet. Duh! :)

those aol cuts just keep getting larger. now 2500.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5AF5JT20091119

http://www.comptroller.nyc.gov/bureaus/bud/econnotes-pdf/Vol-XVIII-3-November09.pdf

The city’s economy posted its seventh consecutive
quarter of negative growth in 3Q09. While there are signs
that the U.S. economy is recovering, it is likely that the city’s
economy will lag the nation’s.

"Hiring Boom in Mortgage Restructuring"

"Four of the largest mortgages servicers -- Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. -- have collectively hired almost 17,000 people this year, mostly to work with financially ailing homeowners."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125859271921354781.html

November 19, 2009 3:47 PM

"Worst month of job losses since last December"

"The numbers for October were dismal: 15,600 jobs shed just about everywhere in NYC—construction, securities, restaurants, retail, even dry cleaners and repair shops."

"On the day the state jobs report was released, the Fiscal Policy Institute put out a report saying that a “tale of two recessions” was emerging in the city. As Wall Street prepares for year-end bonus season, some 40% of the city's more than 400,000 unemployed have been out of work for six months or longer. And the city's “real” unemployment rate—which includes discouraged workers and those involuntarily working part time—has hit 16%."

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20091119/FREE/911199986

What a gem this discussion became. Aboutready, you really make friends easily.

I'm proud of you though for not demanding a new toilet seat from vornaise.

By the way, haven't you acknowledged how your husband has been making layoffs. Why isn't he part of the solution?

And hfscon, your friends are...who exactly? Oh, right. You don't have any at all.

hfs, despite myself i looked. my husband has been a net hirer during this recession. he has had to let some people go for cause, but the total employment count is actually up by about 5% and there have been no staff lay-offs.

you really don't bother me. if that's your intention, your energies are very misdirected. you seem to have no awareness of how much you're disliked here. and now that i've vented with your twin vornaise, i don't care about him/her either. i just like to vent.

you see, i have to care for you to matter. because all you have here is me. sleep tight. don't let the bedbugs bite.

Wait a minute, wasn't your disagreement with vornaise that there isn't hiring when he said there was?

Now you say your husband is adding jobs?

Is his firm the only one? Please help me out with this apparant inconsistency. I don't want to rush to conclusions like I did a few weeks back that you are a liar, if in fact there is some legit explanation, like you are just being "sarcastic".

hfs, i've decided to quit ignoring you. because you need to be bitch slapped in the biggest of ways.

my husband's law firm has recently expanded in an area. it has, as a result, added some employees. it is in no way typical of most law firms.

is that too hard for you to understand? that there can be a net loss in an industry but a given company or firm may have had a net gain? lord you're dense. you're stupid. you're pitiful. and you're boring. other than that you're a fine addition here.

So that was a yes about being a liar or a no?

Oh, when does the bitch slap happen? I want to brace myself.

Also, just to be clear, does the bitch slap mean that I'm the bitch or you are the bitch? I mean, is the bitch slapped, or is a slapee slapped by a bitch?

hfs, i've had my little rant.

i think there is not a single person on this board who is more honest than i am (although there may very well be others who are equally honest). i am honest to a fault. i have very little filter, and no desire to obfuscate, as i'm happy to admit my weaknesses. you have zero sense of humor. i've noticed it consistently. you wouldn't notice irony if it whacked you upside the head. you chose one comment i made, which i explained was sarcasm, decided that you were the judge and jury and i must be lying, and have made it your mission to troll.

fine. be happy trolling. i'm still willing to provide a reference for a mental health provider. you still need it.

hfs, that's easy. you're the bitch.

Look, I know I've hit below the belt a few times, but this isn't fair. If the bitch slap isn't going to happen soon, at least let me know so I can put my guard down and focus on something else until you decide the time is right for that bitch slapping.

ever hear of skinner?

you're not focusing on anything other than me, relentlessly. i'd say you're as prepared as you possibly could be.

feel free to focus on something else. that would kind of eliminate the need for the bitch slapping, no? but of course you're full of hypocrisy. you think your abuse is noble, mine is not. how fanciful of you.

skinner is a person or a thing?

What did you mean by "you think your abuse is noble, mine is not"

Are you saying you are abusive? I thought you were "honest to a fault"

How can someone be so righteous and so unrighteous?

Sarcasm I suppose.

your reasoning is so horrible it doesn't warrant response.

you must be 15 if you don't know skinner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_box

Everyone else get that? You are 15 (or less) if you didn't know skinner.

your responses really are very much like someone who is 15. oooh, i'm clever. i've tripped you up. no content analysis, just silly posturing and reiterations. trying to find inconsistencies when they don't exist. "mom, that was stupid. you didn't make 100% sense so i'm going to reject everything you said and not listen to another thing you say until i'm 24, or maybe 30."

grow up.

Well, you are arguing with a 15 year old. Do you think you are winning?

hfs, unlike you i don't care if i'm winning. it's all about whether or not the game is fun.

how's your acne?

So is the game fun for you?

Is it fun for you?

yes, actually it is. this game at least. i don't know why i caved to your stupidity. i think it's because i wanted to spare others this very crap. but it didn't work. so i'm willing to try something different.

to reiterate: i don't give a rat's ass what you think or say about me. really. ever. and if you had any self-awareness you'd realize that. i would not present here like i do if i cared about perception. i'm hardly anonymous. many people here know me. so my words matter, unlike yours.

Hey, listen, you are having fun with me. And you've admitted it. That's better than when the landlord comes over to fix yet another broken toilet seat, so tedious that must be for you.

btw, skinner is one of the most basic concepts in psychology. i'd say that most of the readership here has heard of skinnerian psych. extension of pavlovian psych. intermittent rewards and punishments.

15 year olds, maybe not yet.

So, that bitch slap that I'm waiting for, is that supposed to be a reward or a punishment?

Are you having fun?

YES!! i am having fun. how much do you care about a toilet seat? i cared for about fifteen minutes, and told a story about it.

you have been able to create an on-line existence based on my toilet seat!! how grand for you!! or how throne-like for you!!

you don't have any concerns that you spend so much of your time thinking about the fact that i got the toilet seat that my lease allowed me from my landlord? you don't think that maybe there's something wrong with your stalking about talking about toilet seats for little to no reason? my landlord, broke though they might be, probably has 50-100 toilet seats in storage somewhere.

you need a better cause. soft and fuzzy animals being killed? i don't know. but my toilet seat is just a very stupid focal point.

Just 15 minutes? Let me find the story and re-post it. The level of indignation expressed in that story does not credibly suggest only 15 minutes.

By the way, what was the line I crossed that turned me from boring into someone fun to engage with?

and you've spent hours and hours and hours rehashing this. endlessly, everywhere. kind of reminds you of someone, doesn't it?

who?

i'm bored. and you've got to be joking. i thought the story was funny. i was hardly "full of indignation."

really, get over yourself. you're not a journalistic wonderkid here breaking a story. you're just sad and boring.

Wait, are you having fun or are you bored?

you are a teenager. definitely. only teens find it so fun to "out" every single comment. all of my comments make sense in a collective way, but wow you're so funny and clever you can come up with something different.

hfs, i'm kind of serious here. are you in reduced circumstances? or your parents?

Oh, me, I fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for me to work in a traditional sense.

Just kidding. :)

I thought that was a gem too.

I'm doing quite well.

Does that answer bore you and excite you, "in a collective way"?

just bored me.

But you are still amused?

hfs, you seem to be trying to engage? fuck you.

So you aren't having fun?

you have zero understanding of me.

fuck you. i'm having fun.

Ok, bored and having fun. Makes sense.

hfs, why are you here? is everything exciting? since you only follow me around i can't see why that would be true.

you may bore me, but telling you to fuck off may amuse me. is that so hard for your limited intellligence to figure out?

Wait, I amuse or you telling me to fuck off amuses you? There's a difference, as you rightly pointed out above. Which is it?

when does columbiacounty kick back in?

whenever i feel like it, you turd.

I spoke too soon.

"Unemployment rates rise in 29 states"

"In a sign that the worst-hit state may be experiencing a glimmer of recovery, Michigan added 38,600 jobs in October, more than any other state except for Texas, which added nearly 42,000 jobs. California added 25,700 jobs last month.

In fact, the Labor Department reported that 28 states added jobs in October.

"Those that will do well are areas tied to the federal government, manufacturing, oil production and trade. But those more heavily exposed to the housing industry will lag behind."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/20/news/economy/state_unemployment/index.htm

"Rising unemployment taxes could hinder hiring"

"Chuck Ferrar, who owns a liquor store in Annapolis, Md., expects to pay $9,000 in unemployment taxes next year, up from $3,000 this year. Health care costs for his employees will rise by $8,000, or 17.5 percent. "When you start adding this up, it turns into real money," he said. "If I lose an employee through attrition, I will not replace him. You can't afford to do it.""

"Florida's minimum unemployment tax, for instance, will skyrocket next year to $100.30 per employee from $8.40."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g0x1pvpe7J3wIZ83gMNMsl8OjDEQD9C4O1RG5

sucks to be SteveF

"Job picture: Signs of improvement"

"ADP report shows job losses ease. Challenger data say number of cuts slowed to the lowest level in nearly 2 years."

"Automatic Data Processing, a payroll-processing firm, said private-sector employers cut 169,000 jobs in November."

""Looking forward, we expect several months of declines," said Joel Prakken, chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers, in a conference call. "But the losses will get smaller and we should see the first positive number in February's data."

"The Challenger report sets the stage for the highly anticipated monthly jobs report from the government due Friday. The Labor Department report is expected to show that the economy shed 120,000 jobs in November, less than the 190,000 reported for October, according to a consensus estimate of economists compiled by Briefing.com. The unemployment rate is predicted to hold steady at 10.2%."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/02/news/economy/job_cuts/

when will employers start to hire people who "fit in as a person in a household which makes a certain amount of money that makes it very cost ineffective for [them] to work in a traditional sense"?

Funny how "smaller losses" is still the best news we can come up with.

"AOL hired 150 fulltime editorial staffers and about 3,000 freelancers this year"

http://www.businessinsider.com/aol-hired-150-fulltime-journalists-in-2009-2009-12

"Some 260 US Airways jobs to depart La Guardia"

"US Airways plans to eliminate 261 jobs at La Guardia Airport starting in late January, according to a notice filed Monday with the state's Department of Labor."

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20091202/FREE/912029994