Garbage transfer facility on Upper East Side?

>You should give facts and logic a try...

You got me there. I only focus on lies and illogic. That's why I enjoy our banter so much.

how much do you love this?

"One of the other candidates will at some point take the position against her. they get my vote!!"

That would be Bill DeBlasio and John Liu, so far. Each said he recently reconsidered his previous support of the transfer station because of Hurricane Sandy.

what is the alternative?

"That would be Bill DeBlasio and John Liu, so far. Each said he recently reconsidered his previous support of the transfer station because of Hurricane Sandy."

Each is in the pockets of the corrupt WFP.

We are screwed once Bloomberg leaves...

>We are screwed once Bloomberg leaves...

alanhart, didn't you say you were a fan of swe?

I hear Joe Lhota is against the station as well....oh baby...no garbage and a subway...yorkville is gonna go through the roof!

Where do they put the garbage from C0lumbia C0unty, New York?

do facts matter to you? why have you changed your name from hunters burg?

do facts matter to me?

what a stupid question

why would you change your name on an anonymous board? what are you trying to hide?

so many have changed their names to no fanfare.
Does a name change offense your righteousness, despite all you've done to hurt so many people in real life?

So, what's the probability that this garbage transfer facility will be stopped: somewhere between 0 to 5%? I hear construction has aleady started...

1% it doesn't go thru, everyone of importance wants the station. Anything within 20 blocks could be effected by the smell, yes even fresh garbage smells just walk by it on the street in the summer, reduce the area by half in the winter to 10 blocks in a circle

Everyone running for Mayor, except Quinn, has rejected the MTS. The unknowing about the MTS has made the area perfect for those willing to gamble. 1 beds under $500k in Manhattan!

in case not attached before..
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dsny/html/swmp_implementation/final91st360.shtml

How far south will be affected by this? Are people estimating 20 blocks (1 mile) to the south, north and west will be affected?

Thanks.

if your curious, you can read through the above link. should the latest 'flood zone' arguement not hold up, there's no way to avoid the fact that more/plenty of garbage trucks will be frequenting the neighborhood -- especially on major through ways (96/86/79) & York/First. The final permit has limits around waste amount and duration - controls for odor, noise & air quality while prohibiting truck queuing in the street.. However in my opinion the enforcement framework is not specified. Time will tell. As for the effect on RE angle, be fearful when others are greedy, and greedy when others are fearful..

i'm surprised people didn't figure out by now that this will be soon dead because of the politics behind last week's passage of the sick leave bill.

I don't understand why the seemingly obvious alternative of siting the facility just a mile or so away on Randalls/Wards Island has not been considered. Isn't this a no brainer? There is easy access for trucks over the first segment of the RFK bridge. Its on the water. Nobody lives there. There are a few sports fields sure, but the relative impact is minimal compared to the densely populated area on 91st street. There are no NIMBY is because it is nobody's backyard. Its very likely cheaper to both construct and operate over there. There is no local traffic impact. etc. etc. etc. Seriously, does somebody have an answer to this? Marco_M??

mmecca00 - Agree that there needs to be more talk of alternatives. I support Residents for Sane Trash and the Pledge2Protect petition - http://pledge2protectnyc.org. But the organization needs to suggest real options that would replace the E 91st St. project. What about the West Side? Lots more space and lower density on the river. Or Randall's/Wards Island? Though it already has a wastewater treatment plant (on the Wards Island end), the Manhattan Psychiatric Center, and then of course sports fields and a golf course (my kid's friends play baseball there). Brooksvale, I agree that the "enforcement framework is not specified."

greensdale - Can you be more specific re: the sick leave bill and how that impacts this project?

The west side also has a wastewater treatment plant, in Hamilton Heights. Ward's Island fronts on a stretch of the East River called Hell Gate. If that name isn't sufficiently evocative, consider the documentary title "Hell Gate: The Watery Grave".

Insane currents from NY Harbor tides fighting LI Sound tides fighting Harlem River currents [the East River is a misnomer: it's not a river, it's a tidal estuary).

But more to the point, before suggesting other sites, what has the Upper East Side / Yorkville offered the City as its sacrifice to modern life? Nothing at all, as far as I can tell. Pure NIMBY. End of discussion.

New election breaths hope for the citizens of North Yorkville!
Looks like some would be hopefuls for Mayor are going to turn this into an issue.
Anthony Weiner could be Yorkville's Han Solo!
Han Shot First...

:You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough scoundrels in your life.

>a stretch of the East River called Hell Gate

Even more exciting than the Rip Van Winkle Bridge!

Some politicians, like Quinn, have been so adamant about the location of this transfer station that no matter what any study or scientific finding says, they just can't change their minds. Even if it would be dangerous/bad for the city or its residents. Even if that area floods drastically tomorrow. They are more concerned about losing face. Notice that the cleaner recycling center is being put on the west side, where she lives. If she is the mayor...everyone get out of the east side of Manhattan. She doesn't go there, she doesn't live there, and she doesn't care about it.

You mean like the NIMBYs who despite of all studies and scientific findings that have provided approval to the waste transfer station, all the court cases that have rejected your claims, still claim that the waste transfer station would cause problems.

New studies out guy. Get up to date.

If Christine Quinn wins then its all over. I think the only hope now is for mayoral intervention.

The MTS opponents lost in court again, on Tuesday: http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2013/2013_04549.htm

The only two courts left, if they want to appeal, are the NYS Court of Appeals and the US Supreme Court.

Don't vote Quinn

It's over. I recently and regrettably sold my apartment on York Avenue because of this impending disaster. Two to three years from now the area will be over run with trucks and anyone who has the means will be gone. Thank Chris Quinn for this one.

tbw104 - you mention York. I thought I had seen information on the project noting that trucks use 1st or 2nd avenues not York. Do you have other information or were you being more specific to York between 90th and 92nd?

lets go weiner!!

good news!
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/626-weiner-surpasses-quinn-among-nyc-demslhota-tops-gop-field-in-quest-for-nyc-mayoralty/

25% Anthony Weiner 20% Christine Quinn 13% Bill Thompson 10% Bill de Blasio 8% John Liu 2% Erick Salgado 1% Sal Albanese 1% Other 18% Undecided - See more at: http://maristpoll.marist.edu/626-weiner-surpasses-quinn-among-nyc-demslhota-tops-gop-field-in-quest-for-nyc-mayoralty/#sthash.XiBCM0KL.dpuf

They didn't call me. If the election were held today (which it wasn't), I'd have picked Thompson.

http://pledge2protectnyc.org/2013/06/27/where-do-nyc-candidates-stand-on-the-e-91-st-mts/

"The MTS opponents lost in court again"

Woo-hoo!

"Some politicians, like Quinn, have been so adamant about the location of this transfer station that no matter what any study or scientific finding says, they just can't change their minds"

Oh, so COMPLETELY unlike the folks who just don't want it coming up with every challenge possible, no matter how bs. The kids getting killed one is just laughable.

SUCK IT, NIMBY buttmunches!

Why are you soo happy that the best sport facility in the city for children will be near a waste transfer facility? Do you think it make sense?

10 AM 8/10, Pledge 2 Protect, will have a rally at Asphalt Green.

As for children getting killed, I had a neighbor in a wheel chair killed by a garbage truck that backed up as it was pulling out from a pick up on the Upper West Side. The driver didn't see the man since the wheel chair was too low to be visible from his mirrors. I think a child or stroller is a little shorter than a 6 foot tall man in a wheel chair. Children must cross the sidewalk in front of the ramp for the waste transfer station ....

Is anyone here really against the MTS AND not leaving or owning in that area ? I mean, waste has got to go somewhere, and I am sure there are reasons why this site was selected, it s not only to piss people off. I understand the fighting, but it is very dishonest and selfish.
Some people in Hudson Square lost their water views for a garbage truck facility a couple of years ago, things could be worse.

"Is anyone here really against the MTS AND not leaving or owning in that area ? "

All the parents that are sending their kids to Asphalt Green, you are welcome to meet them when they pick up their kids, it's a lot of them not leaving in the area...they are from all over the city...
The only reason this location was chosen is because there was in the past a facility there that was built when this area was almost none residential. It closed because this area became very residential...and now has a major sport facility that train kids all year around. You tell me if it's selfish or just the decision to renew it there is plain stupid?? or political maybe??

http://pledge2protectnyc.org/2013/07/19/treating-our-kids-like-garbage-ny-daily-news-opinions/

It seems that there is another reason why it was selected, 70% of the waste of Manhattan is treated elsewhere, they want Manhattan to be more auto sufficient, and reduce the number of miles garbage trucks do every year. Is there any other site in Manhattan that they consider ?

I do agree that Manhattan need to be more auto sufficient. No, they didn't consider another location. It's kind of mind-blowing how they look for a quick solution, Bloomberg and Quinn are closing there eyes about the fact that this area has become one of the most concentrated family area in the city. I am sure, they can find another location that is purely commercial, but it's work!and politician don't like to wait, they want quick and easy...

>I do agree that Manhattan need to be more auto sufficient.

everyone should just keep their own garbage at home. There's no reason why some Manhattanites should get away with shipping their trash to Yorkville. That's unfair.

What other area of Manhattan, specifically, could they have considered that does NOT have a lot of families? Don't say the West Harlem one or so help me god...

hahahahah

>What other area of Manhattan, specifically, could they have considered that does NOT have a lot of families? Don't say the West Harlem one or so help me god...

Put it in Central Park. This way everyone shares in the garbage, isn't that the point of your stupid argument?

Around Vesey street, near the water, much more offices than residential.

So the water treatment plant in Tribeca that your fellow NIMBYs spent thousands of hours and millions of dollars trying to stop was not enough. Now they need to put the waste treatment plant there too? And put it where exactly - over the large park in Battery Park? Or Stuyvesant High School? Perhaps the baseball field? The Irish famine memorial?

Fail.

You'd do the same thing if they were putting it in your neighborhood...who are you kidding?

Look where ZIP 10006 is.

"Why are you soo happy that the best sport facility in the city for children will be near a waste transfer facility? Do you think it make sense?"

Because dumbass NIMBY folk lost their fight against a facility we all use and need. Would you prefer poor children get the waste
??

"As for children getting killed, I had a neighbor in a wheel chair killed by a garbage truck that backed up as it was pulling out from a pick up on the Upper West Side."

So, your block has had more fatalities then that facility. Goes to show how stupid the protests are.

"I think a child or stroller is a little shorter than a 6 foot tall man in a wheel chair. Children must cross the sidewalk in front of the ramp for the waste transfer station ...."

Children cross streets all the time, should we ban them?

The stupidity is claiming that tens of trucks is worse than THOUSANDS OF CARS that pass these and more interesections right nearby.

The safety issue is a hunk of BULLSH*T compared to just regular manhattan streets. This is just NIMBY.

Eat it...

SWE+Jason10006

Plus garbage trucks tend to be active at night and early morning, not exactly when kids play... The safety thing is just really dishonest. I am sure that they now make treatment plants with all sorts of filters that make it 100% safe to breathe too. Yes, garbage trucks stink and leave their awful brown liquids everywhere, but we could imagine sometime down the road an upgrade of the truck fleet.
30k kids use it a year... Are you kidding me. Maybe 300 (unique) kids use it 100 times a year, but that sounds already much less important, doesn't it ?

It is amazing..all of these people would put up the same fight if it were being placed in their neighborhood. If they say they wouldn't, I discredit them all as dishonest. Now that it is not in their neighborhood, they gave a sigh of relief and are pushing to make sure it stays where it is. They could have a little compassion for those that now have to live with it. Luckily, it will be more than 20 blocks away from me, but I certainly would not call them "dumbass NIMBY folks". What a hypocrite. You would do the SAME THING! I personally feel it is a lost fight, but let them go on fighting without your hateful comments.

"The safety thing is just really dishonest."

BINGO

"all of these people would put up the same fight if it were being placed in their neighborhood"

1) Not if it was already there.

2) Not in this INCREDIBLY dishonest manner, using "the kids" as an excuse for NIMBY.

3) I wouldn't, so your "all" is just wrong anyway...

"You would do the SAME THING!"

One more time... NOPE. Try again.

I don't have compassion for dishonest folks

Move it to somewhere else.

They are "dumbass NIMBY folks" and I would not be doing the same thing. I hate "dumbass NIMBY folks". Hate.

NIMBY and non-NIMBY folks come together and hate Jason10006.

When the MTS comes to your town you pull out all the stops to attempt to derail the project. Kids with asthma chasing soccer balls, old ladies with walkers and pregnant mothers with morning sickness. Just the idea of a MTS can make you sick. The MTS will do appreciable damage to the property values of North Yorkville plus the endless stream of freshly rotting garbage will diminish the quality of life.

It is Christine Xerxes-Quinn that must be defeated...
Long live the Yorkville 300!

When the MTS comes to your town you pull out all the stops to attempt to derail the project. Kids with asthma chasing soccer balls, old ladies with walkers and pregnant mothers with morning sickness. Just the idea of a MTS can make you sick. The MTS will do appreciable damage to the property values of North Yorkville plus the endless stream of freshly rotting garbage will diminish the quality of life.

It is Christine Xerxes-Quinn that must be defeated...
Long live the Yorkville 300!

I agree this is a lost cause. It is a political decision and I doubt any of the politicians really care about "the children". But it does not eliminate the fact that this is one of the most idiotic places to put a transfer station. I also don't understand why each borough actually needs to handle its own garbage. Manhattan below 96 on the east side is externely dense. If there are garbage transfer stations in industrial zones in the Bronx or Brooklyn why not send it there? Or why not industrial zones in Upper Manhattan? Or better yet send it to NJ I think it would be cheaper. There is no rationale for destroying a vibrant neighborhood.

Look, I lived in a neighborood in the city where they put in a garbage center on the waterfront. No one was bothered by the site or raised objections when it was proposed, despite the area having 90% of the residences as private homes. Why was this accepted?
1) Nobody was bothered because there was a huge public park and a small highway separating the site from the community. (The park and highway were similar in layout to Riverside Park and the West Side Highway.)
2) Traffic was not an issue because they did not go through the neighborhood or by the main access points to the park. They had their own road to the center.
3) Noise was rarely a problem since the trees softened the sounds.
4)In the beginning, there were problems with odors. However, the city fixed that really quickly. So no one was bothered by the site or raised objections when it was proposed.
5) There were baseball diamonds and tennis courts nearby in the park, but there was no air pollution from the center.
6) The center was not in a flood zone, so there were no problems during severe hurricanes.

As for issues with garbage trucks hitting people, I jumped out of the way just in time when some private carter backed up on the sidewalk to get closer to the service door a large grocery store. Another passerby was not quite as quick and was hit, winding up with a broken leg. The driver did not see either of us. There are blinds spots on these massive trucks that are much worse in a car.

Good luck to the people of Yorkville, their reasoning tends to be very dishonest, but I would put up the same fight to be honest (pretty much nothing can be worse than a garbage station arriving next to your home).
After that, the reasoning of the authorities is very stupid too: Manhattan relies on NJ and Queens for airports, for water treatment, for electricity production, etc.. No reasons for boroughs to be auto sufficient in anything, not more in waste management than these other things.
They also want to cut the traffic, that might be the real reason (save on congestion, oil, worker hours...). And the real challenge for Yorkville residents as no other site is so central.

grapefruit is correct.

And TheTourist's 2nd paragraph is correct too.

Since the MTS clearly has a massive impact on RE prices in the neighborhood, I wonder whether owner should massively apply for adjustment of their RE taxes. If politicians don't care about "the children", do you think they would be equally ignorant of "the tax revenues"?

It is a long time since taxes have not been proportional to the price of the apt, the older the tax assessment, the better your deal is generally. I am not sure a new tax assessment of these properties, even after the MYS, would actually decrease their tax burden.

Jason10006: I don't believe you. I think you are being completely dishonest with yourself. If you are telling me that you would not fight a dump being put next door to your building, then I have to discredit everything that you say.

"Jason10006: I don't believe you. I think you are being completely dishonest with yourself. If you are telling me that you would not fight a dump being put next door to your building, then I have to discredit everything that you say."

You have ADMITTED that the only reason you are arguing against this facility in this EXACT location is because you do not want it near you. Hence, any facts, figures, or statistics you cite as to why it should located elsewhere are by your OWN ADMISSION null and void, because you are really making arguments out of pure, naked, self-interest. Its sounds like we should all be ignoring you.

I am below 70th...I am not worried that it is near me. Reread my post please. I have sited no statistics or figures. My only point is that there should be some compassion.

You have illustrated my point perfectly BTW.

>are by your OWN ADMISSION null and void, because you are really making arguments out of pure, naked, self-interest. Its sounds like we should all be ignoring you.

Jason of course is among the few humans who doesn't act in self interest, probably because he feels so snug in his retard helmet.

I also do not leave nearby. I just think it doesnt make any sense to cut asphalt green in two and separate it by a marine waste transfer. don't you??

Look at what the Gansevoort facility did to the west village and Hudson river park.. No one wants to live there now.

"Look at what the Gansevoort facility did to the west village and Hudson river park.. No one wants to live there now."

The HORROR. The horror.

Meanwhile, the beautiful people are flocking to the parts of Queens that do not have such a facility.

"My only point is that there should be some compassion."

No compassion for NIMBYs. Not from me. Never has been. I hate them.

Jason has no family roots, so naturally he doesn't have much regard for people who care about their families and neighborhood.

Between the bluster of all those who are making a strong case against, I'm still struggling understand the full impact. Clearly, 300 trucks more is not better for a neighborhood. However, if someone is living on 86 and York, for instance, then how many trucks will actually go by. If most come by 1st or 2nd Ave then there may be little to no impact. I get that I don't want to be at 91 or 92 and York and I'm aware that Asphalt Green doesn't seem such an asset but beyond the immediate neighborhood, I'm thinking that the second ave subway will have far more of an impact to prices.

Unlike many, I'm open to rational argument so if there are issues I'm not neglecting or facts I'm not aware of please do add to the discussion,

I'm not in any way suggesting those opposing are wrong to oppose. I don't see anything wrong with protecting your neighborhood. Howeve,, I'm just trying to get a better sense of the outcome if it goes ahead. Right now, all the inflated arguments against are probably doing more to scare off prospective buyers than the reality of what may lay ahead.

how is it going with your bathroom reno?

C0C0, that's low, resorting to bathroom topics.

how could you possibly know?

My comment has nothing to do with knowledge. It was a value judgment on your comments.

how does this make you feel?

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i cant resist:

hburg's lifestyle is, in its entirety, about his complete and total obsession with streeteasy, and those who post here. he catalogs any little tidbits he can, on those he is so intrigued with, and imagines much more. and that comprises the entirety of the sad little world he inhabits.

the upside is that his shit is so uniformly useless, there is little incentive to read him, and respond.

today i made an exception. now i will return to my life, one infinitely rich when compared to that of our poor little hburg.

hburg, it's very impressive that you arent driven crazy by the fact that, for most here, SE is but a pimple they poke at now and then--where, for you, it is your life. and you ooze sebum endlessly.

you are one strange, freaky troll.

My thoughts about yikes can be found on the thread off of which you lifted that quotation.

just keep repeating yourself.

that's working.

@Oxymoronic

That s always the case, people fear change and uncertainty a lot, discounts are excessive while the change is occuring

Pretty broad statement to say that all people fear change.

SWITEL SAID: "I also do not leave nearby. I just think it doesnt make any sense to cut asphalt green in two and separate it by a marine waste transfer. don't you?"

I agree. It would make much more sense if the access to the station was on the North side of Asphalt Green. That's not going to happen because the southbound entrance to the FDR is there.

Another issue is that the bus stop is right next to the existing ramp.

OXYMORONIC: Implies that Asphalt Green is solely used by the neighborhood. Not so. I raised my children on the West Side and their school (West Side) and friends often had events or attended classes at Asphalt Green.

>OXYMORONIC: Implies that Asphalt Green is solely used by the neighborhood.

Nobody lives in Central Park and it's supposed to be for all NYers, put it there.

why did you post as greensdale and then stop?

Do you miss Greensdale?

COMPLETELY disingenuous. More NIMBY BS.

"As for issues with garbage trucks hitting people, I jumped out of the way just in time when some private carter"
So, your evidence against all the city garbage trucks is... something OTHER THAN a city garbage truck?

"backed up on the sidewalk"
And you are noting a problem that this facility doesn't have and actually HELPS. Hmmm... disingenuous, anyone?

"There are blinds spots on these massive trucks that are much worse in a car."
And hundreds of trucks in addition to the thousands of cars having NOTHING to do with the facility go through that intersection.

NIMBY BS.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

>You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Makes sense, someone doesn't want garbage in their backyard, they should therefore be ashamed of themselves.

Bill Thompson will stop the MTS

I'm voting for Bill Thompson.
Again.

OK, OK...we get it "More NIMBY BS"...lets move on. You're above NIMBY...you would never do it. You are better than these other people. What a guy. There are people on here that now need to decide if they are going to move. There standard of living is about to change. If you don't live there or feel compassion for the decisions these people now need to make, why are you on this blog? To gloat. You're a class act. What a tough guy..big shot. Can we move on now? Have I praised you enough...is your ego stroked enough now?

oh randy--your nimby nerve got probed

Randy, I don't understand. Even if those people move, aren't they still going to produce garbage, and lots of it? Won't it make sense to put the next garbage dump or compost heap in the neighborhood they move to? There's no escape.

No Exit, as the existentialistas say.

"Hell is other people."